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| Todd Gastaldo |
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THE GERMAN PHARMACIST
CODEX = nanny facism
PREFATORY NOTE:
Sometimes I take 10,000 mg of Vit C in a day....
In Germany, they are selling 10 mg tablets - LOL!
If something is not done, the sordid CODEX "nanny fascism" joke is going to
be on us soon...
The following is excerpted from a Feb 2005 Vitality Magazine article LIFE
UNDER CODEX by Helke Ferrie
THE GERMAN PHARMACIST...then handed me a tube-shaped metal container with
vitamin C effervescent
tablets. Each tablet, when dissolved in water would release 10 mg of vitamin
C in a refined sugar solution. The cost: about $10 for 12 tablets. Twelve.
Then he asked me, "What's Co-enzyme Q-10? Are you allowed to buy all this in
Canada in such dangerous dosages?"
When I told him what I take daily, his eyes popped. Then I asked, "Why can't
I buy these supplements here?"
He replied, "Well, Germany is a CODEX country."
END excerpt from a Feb 2005 Vitality Magazine article LIFE UNDER CODEX by
Helke Ferrie
Helke says all 25 European Union countries will be CODEX by August 1, 2005:
Helke says CODEX means:
1) All products must show "maximum safe levels, as established by science."
2) Those nutrients found in the mythic "balanced diet" are to be subtracted
from the final values.
3) Article 6 decrees that labels shall "not attribute to food supplements
the property of preventing, treating or curing a human disease, or refer to
such properties."
Helke warns:
"...if we don't do something about it, this nightmare will soon become
waking reality in the
USA and Canada."
Benito Mussolini reportedly said:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger
of state and corporate power."
CODEX = nanny fascism.
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
todd@chiromotion.com
PS I read Helke's article in Dr. Andrew Saul's Doctor Yourself Newsletter
(Vol. 5, No. 5, January 20, 2005)
Thanks Helke. Thanks Andy.
Dr. Saul writes:
Get out your pen and write to your newspapers.
For more action information:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/codex.html
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex2004pat.htm
BTW, subscriptions to Dr. Saul's DOCTOR YOURSELF NEWSLETTER are free for the
asking.
Dr. Saul says: Just send a blank email to
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| Danny |
| Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:42 pm |
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Taking a 10g vitamin c tablet isn't unhealthy, it's just plain and
simply a waste of money (and therefore stupid). Vitamin C is water
soluable. That which isn't used by your body is simply urinated away,
and no matter how "effervescent" a vitamin is, your body isn't going to
absorb that much in one whack, which means you will litterally be
"pissing" your money down the drain..
And if it is a "time release" vitamin ... those are mostly garbage as
well. Vitamins are best when absorbed through the upper intestines,
not the lower. A time release vitamin is WELL into the lower
intestines by the time it is even 25% absorbed by the body.
If you want to obtain the NUMEROUS health benefits to taking high doses
of vitamin C, the best ... really the only way ... is to stagger your
intake.
Lets say a 500mg chewable taken once every two hours, preferably on an
empty stomach. Or if you can get your hands on some inexpensive
granualized sodium ascorbate, taking a full teaspoon every two to three
hours is even better stil. Most chewables utilize binders that your
body doesn't like, further the act of chewing activates acids in the
stomache which breakdown some of the vitamin C before it can be
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| Todd Gastaldo |
| Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:36 pm |
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Danny responded...
If I've understood what Helke Ferrie wrote...
When CODEX comes, he won't be able to get his 500 mg chewable Vit C tablets.
I've edited Danny's response and my reply to him back into my original post
below.
Todd
"Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:JIUHd.1241$r27.361@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
[quote:0fb1a9d49d]THE GERMAN PHARMACIST
CODEX = nanny facism
PREFATORY NOTE:
Sometimes I take 10,000 mg of Vit C in a day....
[/quote:0fb1a9d49d]
[Danny] Taking a 10g vitamin c tablet isn't unhealthy, it's...stupid...
[Todd] I dissolve crystalline Vit C in water and take it throughout the day.
[Todd] I didn't know they make 10g (10,000 mg) tablets of Vit C!
[Danny] ...If you want to obtain the NUMEROUS health benefits to taking high
doses
of vitamin C, the best ... really the only way ... is to stagger your
intake...say a 500mg chewable taken once every two hours...
[Todd] Whatever the health benefits of vitamin C, the point of my post was
that Helke Ferrie reports that in Germany under CODEX, one gets 10 mg
tablets for just under a dollar apiece, as in,
[quote:0fb1a9d49d]In Germany, they are selling 10 mg tablets - LOL!
If something is not done, the sordid CODEX "nanny fascism" joke is going
to
be on us soon...
The following is excerpted from a Feb 2005 Vitality Magazine article LIFE
UNDER CODEX by Helke Ferrie
THE GERMAN PHARMACIST...then handed me a tube-shaped metal container with
vitamin C effervescent
tablets. Each tablet, when dissolved in water would release 10 mg of
vitamin
C in a refined sugar solution. The cost: about $10 for 12 tablets. Twelve.
Then he asked me, "What's Co-enzyme Q-10? Are you allowed to buy all this
in
Canada in such dangerous dosages?"
When I told him what I take daily, his eyes popped. Then I asked, "Why
can't
I buy these supplements here?"
He replied, "Well, Germany is a CODEX country."
END excerpt from a Feb 2005 Vitality Magazine article LIFE UNDER CODEX by
Helke Ferrie
Helke says all 25 European Union countries will be CODEX by August 1,
2005:
Helke says CODEX means:
1) All products must show "maximum safe levels, as established by
science."
2) Those nutrients found in the mythic "balanced diet" are to be
subtracted
from the final values.
3) Article 6 decrees that labels shall "not attribute to food supplements
the property of preventing, treating or curing a human disease, or refer
to
such properties."
Helke warns:
"...if we don't do something about it, this nightmare will soon become
waking reality in the
USA and Canada."
Benito Mussolini reportedly said:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger
of state and corporate power."
CODEX = nanny fascism.
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
todd@chiromotion.com
PS I read Helke's article in Dr. Andrew Saul's Doctor Yourself Newsletter
(Vol. 5, No. 5, January 20, 2005)
Thanks Helke. Thanks Andy.
Dr. Saul writes:
Get out your pen and write to your newspapers.
For more action information:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/codex.html
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex2004pat.htm
BTW, subscriptions to Dr. Saul's DOCTOR YOURSELF NEWSLETTER are free for
the
asking.
Dr. Saul says: Just send a blank email to
news-subscribe@doctoryourself.com
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| Anth |
| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:29 am |
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Danny" <dannyw@wolfdatasystems.com> wrote in message
news:1106260951.463084.21660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
[quote:c11982ecc1]Taking a 10g vitamin c tablet isn't unhealthy, it's just plain and
simply a waste of money (and therefore stupid). Vitamin C is water
soluable. That which isn't used by your body is simply urinated away,
and no matter how "effervescent" a vitamin is, your body isn't going to
absorb that much in one whack, which means you will litterally be
"pissing" your money down the drain..
[/quote:c11982ecc1]
I've never seen a 10g vitamin c tablet, but animals use a valuable commodity
(glucose) to manufacture ascorbate only to excrete it in huge quantities
when under stress.
Why hasn't been resolved, but I think nature knows a lot better than man
does.
[quote:c11982ecc1]And if it is a "time release" vitamin ... those are mostly garbage as
well. Vitamins are best when absorbed through the upper intestines,
not the lower. A time release vitamin is WELL into the lower
intestines by the time it is even 25% absorbed by the body.
If you want to obtain the NUMEROUS health benefits to taking high doses
of vitamin C, the best ... really the only way ... is to stagger your
intake.
[/quote:c11982ecc1]
Yup pulsed dosing is the best (oral) option to increase your overall
absorption and get a pharmacological build up of the vitamin.
[quote:c11982ecc1]Lets say a 500mg chewable taken once every two hours, preferably on an
empty stomach.
[/quote:c11982ecc1]
If I was taking chewable vitamin c I would ensure that it was buffered -
ascorbic acid tends to make your teeth 'gritty' just like when you drink a
soft drink with phosphoric acid in it.
Could it be that the vitamin is attacking the tooth enamel?
Levin's work suggests higher than 500mg is absorbed, the absorption seems
inversely proportional to the dose.
[quote:c11982ecc1]Or if you can get your hands on some inexpensive granualized sodium
ascorbate, taking a full teaspoon every two to three
hours is even better stil. Most chewables utilize binders that your
body doesn't like, further the act of chewing activates acids in the
stomache which breakdown some of the vitamin C before it can be
absorbed (not much though).
[/quote:c11982ecc1]
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| Winfried Buechsenschuetz |
| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:44 pm |
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"Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<UfXHd.1355$r27.457@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
[quote:de2671a9d4][Todd] Whatever the health benefits of vitamin C, the point of my post was
that Helke Ferrie reports that in Germany under CODEX, one gets 10 mg
tablets for just under a dollar apiece, as in,
[/quote:de2671a9d4]
Yes, that's a nice fairy tale. It's an old reporter's trick to tell
things about countries far away which noone can verify.
I happen to life in Germany, and what I am just holding in my hands is
a plastic tube with 25 vitamine C tablets, 180mg each. They are
available in any major supermarket and any drugstore for less than 1
USD (the whole package, not just one tablet). They contain a total of
4.5 gr vitamine C, and noone keeps you from buying and swallowing two
tubes a day. That's what really happens in Germany under CODEX.
I am afraid any pharmacist in Germany would laugh at you if you ask
for vitamine C tablets with 10mg each. The WHO recommended daily
allowance (RDA) of vitamine C is 60mg, and does not make much sense to
sell tablets with a fraction of RDA. Also, only a goof would buy 10mg
vitamine C in a pharmacy. The fruit shop across the street will sell
this quantity pressed in lemons and oranges much cheaper.
Don't believe anything that is said against Codex. However, I don't
mind if you have the opportunity to buy ASS (Aspirin) in a
supermarket, packed in a strip of plastic, without any mentioning of
side effects, as it was possible in UK some years ago. In Germany ASS
is sold by pharmacies only (with an extensive description of side
effects), our government thinks you will be much less happy about the
side effects like inner bleedings in your brain.
Winfried |
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| Todd Gastaldo |
| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:22 pm |
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Dr. Andrew Saul:
You quoted Helke Ferrie: "Unfortunately, this is not fiction" followed by
her mention of 10 mg Vit C tablets for just under dollar apiece in
Germany...
"[The German pharmacist]...handed me a tube-shaped metal container with
vitamin C
effervescent tablets. Each tablet, when dissolved in water would
release 10 mg of vitamin C in a refined sugar solution. The cost:
about $10 for 12 tablets. Twelve."
Winfried Buechsenschuetz <w-buechsenschuetz@web.de> disputes Helke Ferrie's
10 mg Vit C tablets in Germany story saying,
[quote:f817bbf66e]I happen to life in Germany, and what I am just holding in my hands is
a plastic tube with 25 vitamine C tablets, 180mg each. They are
available in any major supermarket and any drugstore for less than 1
USD (the whole package, not just one tablet). They contain a total of
4.5 gr vitamine C, and noone keeps you from buying and swallowing two
tubes a day. That's what really happens in Germany under CODEX.
[/quote:f817bbf66e]
10 mg Vit C tablets - that does sound rather preposterous.
Then again, Winfried also says:
"Don't believe anything that is said against Codex."
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/5720c03a1dd10372
Just FYI
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
todd@chiromotion.com
Copied to Helke Ferrie via info@kospublishing.com and helke@inetsonic.com
Helke, I see the 10 mg Vit C tablets are still mentioned in the article on
your site...
http://www.kospublishing.com/ (Click on CODEX Alert!)
I found Cebion 1000mg Vit C tablets at a German site...
Cebion 1000 mg Brausen Citrus im Röhrchen à 20 Tabletten
Cebion 1000 mg Brausen Blutorange im Röhrchen à 20 Tabletten
http://www.cebion.de/
I can't read German - so maybe these 1000 mg tablets are not available to
consumers at drugstores?
"Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:JIUHd.1241$r27.361@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
[quote:f817bbf66e]THE GERMAN PHARMACIST
CODEX = nanny facism
PREFATORY NOTE:
Sometimes I take 10,000 mg of Vit C in a day....
In Germany, they are selling 10 mg tablets - LOL!
If something is not done, the sordid CODEX "nanny fascism" joke is going
to
be on us soon...
The following is excerpted from a Feb 2005 Vitality Magazine article LIFE
UNDER CODEX by Helke Ferrie
THE GERMAN PHARMACIST...then handed me a tube-shaped metal container with
vitamin C effervescent
tablets. Each tablet, when dissolved in water would release 10 mg of
vitamin
C in a refined sugar solution. The cost: about $10 for 12 tablets. Twelve.
Then he asked me, "What's Co-enzyme Q-10? Are you allowed to buy all this
in
Canada in such dangerous dosages?"
When I told him what I take daily, his eyes popped. Then I asked, "Why
can't
I buy these supplements here?"
He replied, "Well, Germany is a CODEX country."
END excerpt from a Feb 2005 Vitality Magazine article LIFE UNDER CODEX by
Helke Ferrie
Helke says all 25 European Union countries will be CODEX by August 1,
2005:
Helke says CODEX means:
1) All products must show "maximum safe levels, as established by
science."
2) Those nutrients found in the mythic "balanced diet" are to be
subtracted
from the final values.
3) Article 6 decrees that labels shall "not attribute to food supplements
the property of preventing, treating or curing a human disease, or refer
to
such properties."
Helke warns:
"...if we don't do something about it, this nightmare will soon become
waking reality in the
USA and Canada."
Benito Mussolini reportedly said:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger
of state and corporate power."
CODEX = nanny fascism.
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
todd@chiromotion.com
PS I read Helke's article in Dr. Andrew Saul's Doctor Yourself Newsletter
(Vol. 5, No. 5, January 20, 2005)
Thanks Helke. Thanks Andy.
Dr. Saul writes:
Get out your pen and write to your newspapers.
For more action information:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/codex.html
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex2004pat.htm
BTW, subscriptions to Dr. Saul's DOCTOR YOURSELF NEWSLETTER are free for
the
asking.
Dr. Saul says: Just send a blank email to
news-subscribe@doctoryourself.com
"Winfried Buechsenschuetz" <w-buechsenschuetz@web.de> wrote in message[/quote:f817bbf66e]
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[quote:f817bbf66e]"Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<UfXHd.1355$r27.457@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
[Todd] Whatever the health benefits of vitamin C, the point of my post
was
that Helke Ferrie reports that in Germany under CODEX, one gets 10 mg
tablets for just under a dollar apiece, as in,
Yes, that's a nice fairy tale. It's an old reporter's trick to tell
things about countries far away which noone can verify.
I happen to life in Germany, and what I am just holding in my hands is
a plastic tube with 25 vitamine C tablets, 180mg each. They are
available in any major supermarket and any drugstore for less than 1
USD (the whole package, not just one tablet). They contain a total of
4.5 gr vitamine C, and noone keeps you from buying and swallowing two
tubes a day. That's what really happens in Germany under CODEX.
I am afraid any pharmacist in Germany would laugh at you if you ask
for vitamine C tablets with 10mg each. The WHO recommended daily
allowance (RDA) of vitamine C is 60mg, and does not make much sense to
sell tablets with a fraction of RDA. Also, only a goof would buy 10mg
vitamine C in a pharmacy. The fruit shop across the street will sell
this quantity pressed in lemons and oranges much cheaper.
Don't believe anything that is said against Codex. However, I don't
mind if you have the opportunity to buy ASS (Aspirin) in a
supermarket, packed in a strip of plastic, without any mentioning of
side effects, as it was possible in UK some years ago. In Germany ASS
is sold by pharmacies only (with an extensive description of side
effects), our government thinks you will be much less happy about the
side effects like inner bleedings in your brain.
Winfried[/quote:f817bbf66e] |
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| Winfried Buechsenschuetz |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:33 am |
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"Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<zLdPd.6308$mG6.3492@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
[quote:29b62ce1c2]I found Cebion 1000mg Vit C tablets at a German site...
Cebion 1000 mg Brausen Citrus im Röhrchen à 20 Tabletten
Cebion 1000 mg Brausen Blutorange im Röhrchen à 20 Tabletten
http://www.cebion.de/
I can't read German - so maybe these 1000 mg tablets are not available to
consumers at drugstores?
[/quote:29b62ce1c2]
They are not available at drugstores and supermarkets, but you can get
them without prescription and without any problems in any pharmacy. It
is mainly the manufacturer's decision to sell vitamines only through
pharmacies - some do that to get a more serious image to their
tablets. On the Cebion website they mention that high dosis of
vitamines should not be consumed without consulting a doctor or at
least a pharmacist and that they sell their stuff through pharmacies
for that reason.
I have not seen this on drugstore shelves in the past years, but some
years ago you could buy packages of approx. 50g pure vitamine C
(ascorbine acid) in many drugstores and pharmacies (without
prescription) for USD 3 approx.
Again, I can't understand why a magazine author with a german sounding
name claims that a) you can buy only 10mg tablets in pharmacies only
b) that they are extremely expensive in Germany. Both is not true.
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| Winfried Buechsenschuetz |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:41 am |
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"Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<zLdPd.6308$mG6.3492@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
[quote:19d8e5a502]Then he asked me, "What's Co-enzyme Q-10? Are you allowed to buy all this
in
Canada in such dangerous dosages?"
When I told him what I take daily, his eyes popped. Then I asked, "Why
can't
I buy these supplements here?"
He replied, "Well, Germany is a CODEX country."
[/quote:19d8e5a502]
Q10 is available in low doses in Germany as well - no prescription
needed, and I think any pharmacist will know what this stuff is.
However, our state department of health has issued an information
describing side effects of high doses of Q10. This stuff does not seem
to be harmless.
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| Winfried Buechsenschuetz |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:55 am |
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"Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<zLdPd.6308$mG6.3492@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
[quote:f3c6dcef9e]Cebion 1000 mg Brausen Citrus im Röhrchen à 20 Tabletten
Cebion 1000 mg Brausen Blutorange im Röhrchen à 20 Tabletten
http://www.cebion.de/
I can't read German - so maybe these 1000 mg tablets are not available to
consumers at drugstores?
[/quote:f3c6dcef9e]
The german text just means that the tablets are to be dissolved in
water, come in tube containers with 20 pcs each and have different
flavours (lemon and sour orange).
As I mentioned, Cebion products are available in pharmacies only but
without prescription.
Today I checked the health/wellness shelves of the drugstore and
supermarket down the road. Both belong to REWE, the biggest
supermarket/drugstore company in Germany, running chains with several
different names. Here is what I found:
- Vitamine C in pure powder form, 100gr EUR 1.99 (approx. USD 2.50)
- Vitamine C chewable tablets 500mg each, box with 20 pcs EUR 3.95
(USD 5.00)
- tablets with a mix of vitamines and 10mg Q10 each, box with 20 pcs
EUR 12.95 (USD 16.00)
The Q10 stuff is imported from US but it is perfectly legal to sell it
in Germany, at least in low doses. Obviously the US quacks were not
yet very successful here with their "fashion drugs". Remember the fuss
about Melatonin a few years ago? It was imported to Germany illegaly
from US, sometimes it was sold by newspaper ads. Nobody mentiones
Melatonin anymore, seems as if it is out of fashion.
It seems as if we do not live too bad in a Codex country. It is just
bad for quacks like Dr. Rath, prohibiting them from selling their
useless and overpriced stuff in our country (the european Dr. Rath
branch is in the Netherlands) since he never applied for a BGA
certification (similar to FDA cert. in the US) in Germany. Although
Dr. Rath always blames other companies to make enormous profits on
their drugs he just makes a turnaround of 60 mio. USD per year,
avoiding the costs for extensive tests and BGA certification.
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| Winfried Buechsenschuetz |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:00 am |
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"Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<UfXHd.1355$r27.457@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
[quote:47b933e5b8]Danny responded...
If I've understood what Helke Ferrie wrote...
When CODEX comes, he won't be able to get his 500 mg chewable Vit C tablets.
[/quote:47b933e5b8]
Nonsense. You can find 500mg chewable Vit C tablets on the shelves of
many supermarkets in Germany although Helke claims we are already
under Codex dictatorship.
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| Steven B. Harris |
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[quote:9aebbb45af]I've never seen a 10g vitamin c tablet, but animals use a valuable
commodity[/quote:9aebbb45af]
(glucose) to manufacture ascorbate only to excrete it in huge
quantities
when under stress.
Why hasn't been resolved, but I think nature knows a lot better than
man
does. <<
Man is a part of nature, and so are the other primates.
Glucose isn't that valuable a quantity. At 4 calories a gram, making a
lot of vitamin C doesn't metabolically cost animals very much. So it's
there to waste.
Primates can't make it, so we can't afford to waste it. Most primates
are quite thifty with it. Man is most thifty of all. It's all thos
millennia of having to survive the winter without fruit. We're bred for
it.
If you think Nature knows best, how come Nature didn't arrange to have
vitamin C pills hopping about in the snow for us cold-living humans?
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