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| EdGordonRN |
 Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:41 pm |
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Do any of you believe in a "higher self"? I suppose this higher self would be
tantamount to God. It would be the dreamer of this universe, and we would be
his characters. If there is such a thing, could it be proved? If a person could
change a fundamental trait of their personality by will, wouldn't this be proof
of such a higher self? What do you think? |
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| Sir Frederick |
| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 10:50 pm |
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EdGordonRN wrote:
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Do any of you believe in a "higher self"? I suppose this higher self would be
tantamount to God. It would be the dreamer of this universe, and we would be
his characters. If there is such a thing, could it be proved? If a person could
change a fundamental trait of their personality by will, wouldn't this be proof
of such a higher self? What do you think?
We each have a folk lore burdened virtual reality self. "Higher self" may be one of
those folk lores. Folk lore often promotes magic, such as "will".
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Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill/
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Phrase of the week :
"Time travel is not only enjoyed by the Scottish nation.
May I bring to the attention of the world that we (the Swansea
Valley Welsh) quite often address tasks "Now, in a minute"
or "I'll do that tomorrow now". Case proven."
-- Stuart Martinson, Swansea, UK
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| Mark Earnest |
| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:21 pm |
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"EdGordonRN" <edgordonrn@aol.comstopspam> wrote in message
news:20031231214109.29517.00001320@mb-m02.aol.com...
Quote: Do any of you believe in a "higher self"? I suppose this higher self would
be
tantamount to God. It would be the dreamer of this universe, and we would
be
his characters. If there is such a thing, could it be proved? If a person
could
change a fundamental trait of their personality by will, wouldn't this be
proof
of such a higher self? What do you think?
Yes, I think the higher self is God, but we are more not that than we are
that.
Otherwise we would each be willing ourselves millions of dollars, yachts
and fine liquor.
Maybe you're thinking of the superego. That is a higher self that we do not
have in common with others. |
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| Keynes |
| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:26 am |
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On 01 Jan 2004 02:41:09 GMT, edgordonrn@aol.comstopspam (EdGordonRN) wrote:
Quote: Do any of you believe in a "higher self"? I suppose this higher self would be
tantamount to God. It would be the dreamer of this universe, and we would be
his characters. If there is such a thing, could it be proved?
yes. (Although the term 'self' is not quite right.)
Quote: If a person could
change a fundamental trait of their personality by will, wouldn't this be proof
of such a higher self?
No. It would be proof against the hypothesis.
It is the ignorant common conception of the imaginary powers
of man that veils the truth of reality.
If man has the powers he imagines he has, then there is no higher power.
Meaning if man can think, feel and do without any external causes,
being the sole cause of his own being, thoughts and actions, then
he has godlike powers of independent creation ex nihilo, and
there needn't be any higher power.
Of course a universe of unrelated independent creators of disconnected
causation would be an incomprehensible madhouse unlikely to survive.
Love and hate would be interchangeable, arising without provocation,
rhyme or reason. What must be done would not get done, due to the
breakdown of causation, and pleasure and pain would no longer be
guides to behavior. Thought would degenerate into gibberish without
the common basis of a single universal causation.
If man hasn't any such powers, then they must come from elsewhere.
If body, thoughts, and deeds are caused by other than man himself,
(that is, caused by any 'external' objects) then man's life, thoughts
and deeds are not his own. He is a squatter in somebody else's house,
pretending to be the owner (yet refusing to pay the bills and suffering for it).
If the physical and mental qualities man claims come from an
entirely other source, man is both reduced to nothing and exhalted
to that higher power. Then apparent separations dissolve, since
everything is of the same 'selfless' nature (all being creations from
the same source, moved in the same way). No man is therefore
God Almighty Himself, because no man has ever actually existed.
It's not annihilation, but the beginning of freedom from imaginary
burdens of gain and loss, life and death. |
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