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| brainiac |
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing? |
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| andy-k |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:01 am |
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is
life a
good thing?
Define 'good'. |
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| brainiac |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:05 am |
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"andy-k" <spam.free@last> wrote in message
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Quote: "brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is
life a
good thing?
Define 'good'.
Exactly. 'good' can only be defined relative to 'experience'. And
experience is very 'subjective'. How can we know anything about life
'objectively'? |
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| Frederick |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:28 am |
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brainiac wrote:
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?
IMO life is neither good nor bad,
it is however meaningless and hence
arbitrary. Is this what you are after?
Meanwhile, "objectivity" is a subjective posture.
Also, Ma Nature builds me biased, so can't get out of
that one.
We may choose the details, hence 'justice".
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Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill/
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Phrase of the week :
"One of the symptoms of approaching nervous
breakdown is the belief that one's work is
terribly important."
-- Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)
 )))Snort!)
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| Dan Skunk |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:03 pm |
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"Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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Quote: brainiac wrote:
I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life
a
good thing?
IMO life is neither good nor bad,
it is however meaningless and hence
arbitrary. Is this what you are after?
Meanwhile, "objectivity" is a subjective posture.
Also, Ma Nature builds me biased, so can't get out of
that one.
Yes. Objectively, there is no good. With good and bad, one always needs to
start with some goal; only then can one evaluate whether things are good or
bad in regard to whether they help you acheive that goal or not.
Nature provides us with that goal. We all come pre-programmed with a reason
for living and and ultimate purpose to our existence: life. Without this,
we would cease to function and die.
In this context then, life is objectively good. It is the only objective
good. It is what defines good in the first place. |
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| Dare |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:21 pm |
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4HHAb.8648$nH.2854@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Quote: I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?
This may be kind of off topic, but I was wondering...
Do we own our life?
Guess it sounds odd, but the question came up in
the context of suicide...
Do I have the right to take my life....kill it....
when I did not create it myself?
Do I only have the right to "use it" ...
or have I 'paid' for my life by living it and
therefore own it...as well as the right to end it....
Guess my acquaintances are rather dark..
If life is not good...or neutral...
then what?
(that question has sort of a double or triple meaning)
Thanks,
Dare |
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| ta |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:05 pm |
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?
Compared to what? |
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| andy-k |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:08 pm |
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"brainiac" <gof@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this
in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is
life a good thing?
Define 'good'.
Exactly. 'good' can only be defined relative to 'experience'. And
experience is very 'subjective'. How can we know anything about life
'objectively'?
Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2: "there is nothing either good or bad but
thinking makes it so."
Epictetus (Greek 60 CE): "it is not things that disturb us, but our
interpretations of the way things are!" |
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| NiJof |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:17 pm |
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| Frederick |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:22 pm |
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Dare wrote:
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4HHAb.8648$nH.2854@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?
This may be kind of off topic, but I was wondering...
Do we own our life?
Guess it sounds odd, but the question came up in
the context of suicide...
Do I have the right to take my life....kill it....
when I did not create it myself?
Do I only have the right to "use it" ...
or have I 'paid' for my life by living it and
therefore own it...as well as the right to end it....
Guess my acquaintances are rather dark..
If life is not good...or neutral...
then what?
(that question has sort of a double or triple meaning)
Thanks,
Dare
I drink two espressos a day, that keeps the gloom away,
that and a little help from my friends, and a curiosity
about the show called "everything".
As far as "owning" oneself. I doubt it, too objective.
Objectifying oneself does not work, could lead to suicide,
and that is an epitome of not working. The situation is too
entertaining to self depart IMO.
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Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill/
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Phrase of the week :
"One of the symptoms of approaching nervous
breakdown is the belief that one's work is
terribly important."
-- Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)
)))Snort!)
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| andy-k |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:34 pm |
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"NiJof" <nijof@aol.com> wrote in message
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Define 'good'.
Define 'life.' Heh.
The intervening span of time between birth and death? |
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| Immortalist |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:38 pm |
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"Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: "brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4HHAb.8648$nH.2854@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life
a
good thing?
This may be kind of off topic, but I was wondering...
Do we own our life?
Guess it sounds odd, but the question came up in
the context of suicide...
Do I have the right to take my life....kill it....
when I did not create it myself?
Do I only have the right to "use it" ...
or have I 'paid' for my life by living it and
therefore own it...as well as the right to end it....
Or is this body I am in just a clone that happened to emulate a possible
process, out of many possible processes, that is identical to "I experience
what it feels like?"
If this state of affairs called me body is just a clone that discovered a
possible network of processes identified with me being, can the clone say it
is his?
Quote: Guess my acquaintances are rather dark..
If life is not good...or neutral...
then what?
(that question has sort of a double or triple meaning)
Thanks,
Dare
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| Tim |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:38 pm |
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?
My bum is sore. |
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| Tim |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:44 pm |
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"Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: "brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life
a
good thing?
This may be kind of off topic, but I was wondering...
Do we own our life?
Guess it sounds odd, but the question came up in
the context of suicide...
Do I have the right to take my life....kill it....
when I did not create it myself?
Do I only have the right to "use it" ...
or have I 'paid' for my life by living it and
therefore own it...as well as the right to end it....
Guess my acquaintances are rather dark..
If life is not good...or neutral...
then what?
(that question has sort of a double or triple meaning)
Thanks,
Dare
You don't have a legal right to take your own life but in this context, if
not all ,right = power. Enough said.
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| Immortalist |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:52 pm |
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?
Do you mean at all times "life is either a good or bad thing?" Or do you
mean that sometimes life is either good or bad?
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