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| Mark Earnest |
 Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 10:42 pm |
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I spent Christmas arguing NDEs as proof of a world beyond death, and
indirectly of the spirit world and God.
However, I would like to assert that I do not entirely disagree with those
of you that think NDEs do not prove life beyond death. There is a valid
perspective of this matter in which I know those of you that do not believe
in the authenticity of NDEs, are in fact correct.
In this perspective, there is no life beyond death, because life can only
exist in the body in the real world. Or out of this world in space with the
proper equipment.
In my view, this is why resurrections are necessary for those that have
died.
Because when you are dead, you have lost something important. Your effect
in the real world.
I know most of you don't believe in the existence of angels. But an angel
told me one time, that they do not have bodies in heaven. I told her that
this sounds like death. To which she replied, "Why do you think we are
coming here?"
Believe what you will, Some of us do admit the reality of angels at these
holidays...
Merry Christmas,
Mark
I would also like to add the footnote that the reason people see different
things on the other side is because, in my view, they enter pocket
realities, which are in symbols. They are symboled representations of the
way things really are.
If they saw Mohammad, then that was an symboled resolution of reality the
way they know it. Ditto with Jesus, Buddha, and the rest.
In other words, what they saw was a symboled reality, an apparition, a
representation....kind of like a dream...and kind of like what I am
conceding here...kind of like a hallucination.
I believe if a person went all the way in the NDE, he or she would exit this
symboled pocket reality, into the real world of the departed.
Where I believe secrets are learned, finally.
And where life, I believe temporarily, is not there. |
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| John Jones |
| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:23 am |
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I cant think anyone would want to pooh-pooh angels, except some awful
fundamentalist neophyte of a machine god.
As the first best example that comes to mind of an awful fundamentalist
neophyte of a machine god, I will suggest 'Richard Dawkins', but he is too
stupid to see it for himself, let alone speak for himself.
"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
news:bsgan9$e05@library2.airnews.net...
Quote: I spent Christmas arguing NDEs as proof of a world beyond death, and
indirectly of the spirit world and God.
However, I would like to assert that I do not entirely disagree with those
of you that think NDEs do not prove life beyond death. There is a valid
perspective of this matter in which I know those of you that do not
believe
in the authenticity of NDEs, are in fact correct.
In this perspective, there is no life beyond death, because life can only
exist in the body in the real world. Or out of this world in space with
the
proper equipment.
In my view, this is why resurrections are necessary for those that have
died.
Because when you are dead, you have lost something important. Your effect
in the real world.
I know most of you don't believe in the existence of angels. But an angel
told me one time, that they do not have bodies in heaven. I told her that
this sounds like death. To which she replied, "Why do you think we are
coming here?"
Believe what you will, Some of us do admit the reality of angels at these
holidays...
Merry Christmas,
Mark
I would also like to add the footnote that the reason people see different
things on the other side is because, in my view, they enter pocket
realities, which are in symbols. They are symboled representations of the
way things really are.
If they saw Mohammad, then that was an symboled resolution of reality the
way they know it. Ditto with Jesus, Buddha, and the rest.
In other words, what they saw was a symboled reality, an apparition, a
representation....kind of like a dream...and kind of like what I am
conceding here...kind of like a hallucination.
I believe if a person went all the way in the NDE, he or she would exit
this
symboled pocket reality, into the real world of the departed.
Where I believe secrets are learned, finally.
And where life, I believe temporarily, is not there.
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| Larry Travis |
| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:50 pm |
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One phrase really says a lot: "heaven is a state, not a place".
As I stated in the physics group to your thread over there, I think the
hereafter is completely seperate from any of the physical nature we can
experience or describe. There is no time or space or dimension. The NDE
descriptions are within our ability to describe them, so if they are
authentic, they are only the first step in the trip from this world to the
next. Quite possibly NDE's are just hallucinations. If so, take comfort in
the fact that that does not mean there is not a "real" NDE that is different
beyond description and that occurrs after the "fake" NDE's end.
LT
"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
news:bsgan9$e05@library2.airnews.net...
Quote: I spent Christmas arguing NDEs as proof of a world beyond death, and
indirectly of the spirit world and God.
However, I would like to assert that I do not entirely disagree with those
of you that think NDEs do not prove life beyond death. There is a valid
perspective of this matter in which I know those of you that do not
believe
in the authenticity of NDEs, are in fact correct.
In this perspective, there is no life beyond death, because life can only
exist in the body in the real world. Or out of this world in space with
the
proper equipment.
In my view, this is why resurrections are necessary for those that have
died.
Because when you are dead, you have lost something important. Your effect
in the real world.
I know most of you don't believe in the existence of angels. But an angel
told me one time, that they do not have bodies in heaven. I told her that
this sounds like death. To which she replied, "Why do you think we are
coming here?"
Believe what you will, Some of us do admit the reality of angels at these
holidays...
Merry Christmas,
Mark
I would also like to add the footnote that the reason people see different
things on the other side is because, in my view, they enter pocket
realities, which are in symbols. They are symboled representations of the
way things really are.
If they saw Mohammad, then that was an symboled resolution of reality the
way they know it. Ditto with Jesus, Buddha, and the rest.
In other words, what they saw was a symboled reality, an apparition, a
representation....kind of like a dream...and kind of like what I am
conceding here...kind of like a hallucination.
I believe if a person went all the way in the NDE, he or she would exit
this
symboled pocket reality, into the real world of the departed.
Where I believe secrets are learned, finally.
And where life, I believe temporarily, is not there.
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