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A.Lee...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:44 pm
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A cat attacked one of my ducks on Tuesday evening. She didint look as
though she would survive the night, as she was so limp. but remarkably
she is still alive.
The only apparent wound was a scratch type puncture mark on the lower
back, with around an inch square area of feather missing. There was not
too much blood.
Since then she has lost a lot more feathers from that area, has perked
up in herself, but is apparently immobile, except if really prompted
(i.e. if she doesnt want me to pick her up).
It seems that one leg is damaged, as when she does stand, the foot is
trailed behind the leg.
She sits there, and doesnt really attempt to move, and when she does,
cannot stand up, but just flaps and shuffles along the ground on her
belly.
I have seen her drinking, and having a nibble at grass, but she hasnt
eaten much at all since.
I dont really want to have to put her to sleep, but from others
experiences, will she be likely to recover from this?
And any tips to help with a recovery?

thanks
Alan.

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Christina Websell...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:36 pm
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"A.Lee" <alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
A cat attacked one of my ducks on Tuesday evening. She didint look as
though she would survive the night, as she was so limp. but remarkably
she is still alive.
The only apparent wound was a scratch type puncture mark on the lower
back, with around an inch square area of feather missing. There was not
too much blood.
Since then she has lost a lot more feathers from that area, has perked
up in herself, but is apparently immobile, except if really prompted
(i.e. if she doesnt want me to pick her up).
It seems that one leg is damaged, as when she does stand, the foot is
trailed behind the leg.
She sits there, and doesnt really attempt to move, and when she does,
cannot stand up, but just flaps and shuffles along the ground on her
belly.
I have seen her drinking, and having a nibble at grass, but she hasnt
eaten much at all since.
I dont really want to have to put her to sleep, but from others
experiences, will she be likely to recover from this?
And any tips to help with a recovery?


Puncture wounds from carnivore teeth will introduce bacteria into the wound,
so at the very least she will need some antibiotics. It's up to you to
decide whether she's worth a trip to the vet.
I've never had a cat attack my poultry, but once two Jack Russells got in
and had a spree here. They severely bit my pair of geese on the back and a
few elderly chickens that were wandering around in the orchard were in a bad
way too. Fortunately I was at home at the time and heard the commotion,
otherwise I'm sure they would have killed them all. All recovered with
antibiotics so it's worth a try.
Your duck will die otherwise (and might still, but I would give the "medsun*
a go) so your conscience will rest easy knowing you did your best.

Jill might remember this - it was when Nuele was here in England with me, a
previous poster from Germany. We forged a nice friendship via this group
and have visited each other several times. We still keep in touch via email
regularly.

Tina
A_ L _P...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:48 pm
Guest
Christina Websell wrote:
Quote:
"A.Lee" <alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
news:1iiujrb.1kwht8d14g12z6N%alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com...
A cat attacked one of my ducks on Tuesday evening. She didint look as
though she would survive the night, as she was so limp. but remarkably
she is still alive.
The only apparent wound was a scratch type puncture mark on the lower
back, with around an inch square area of feather missing. There was not
too much blood.
Since then she has lost a lot more feathers from that area, has perked
up in herself, but is apparently immobile, except if really prompted
(i.e. if she doesnt want me to pick her up).
It seems that one leg is damaged, as when she does stand, the foot is
trailed behind the leg.
She sits there, and doesnt really attempt to move, and when she does,
cannot stand up, but just flaps and shuffles along the ground on her
belly.
I have seen her drinking, and having a nibble at grass, but she hasnt
eaten much at all since.
I dont really want to have to put her to sleep, but from others
experiences, will she be likely to recover from this?
And any tips to help with a recovery?


Puncture wounds from carnivore teeth will introduce bacteria into the wound,
so at the very least she will need some antibiotics. It's up to you to
decide whether she's worth a trip to the vet.
I've never had a cat attack my poultry, but once two Jack Russells got in
and had a spree here. They severely bit my pair of geese on the back and a
few elderly chickens that were wandering around in the orchard were in a bad
way too. Fortunately I was at home at the time and heard the commotion,
otherwise I'm sure they would have killed them all. All recovered with
antibiotics so it's worth a try.
Your duck will die otherwise (and might still, but I would give the "medsun*
a go) so your conscience will rest easy knowing you did your best.

Tina



My quick response to puncture wounds - mine or animals' - is hydrogen

peroxide. It was out of favour for a while because it was said to kill
the healthy tissue surrounding the wound and yes, there is some
"burning" but it's the kind of thing the body can deal with better than
pus brewing away in the depths and spreading everywhere.

Does anyone know - has anyone already googled - what kind of antibiotic
is safe and effective for geese? And is it the same for all birds?
Just in case one's vet is able & willing to prescribe but isn't familiar
with birds it would be some good knowledge for us to have in the
archives of this group and might save other people time in the future.

A L P
A.Lee...
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:23 am
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A_ L _P <hay_hell_pea at (no spam) xnet.co.nz> wrote:

Quote:
Christina Websell wrote:
"A.Lee" <alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
news:1iiujrb.1kwht8d14g12z6N%alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com...
A cat attacked one of my ducks on Tuesday evening. She didint look as
though she would survive the night, as she was so limp. but remarkably
she is still alive.

My quick response to puncture wounds - mine or animals' - is hydrogen
peroxide. It was out of favour for a while because it was said to kill
the healthy tissue surrounding the wound and yes, there is some
"burning" but it's the kind of thing the body can deal with better than
pus brewing away in the depths and spreading everywhere.

I'm not too worried about infection as the wound was clean at the time,
and has had a number of sprays of antiseptic spray, it is her failure to
move that is bothering me.
She just sits there, not moving. Her head is erect, and has no trouble
looking round, but the body doesnt move unless provoked.
Alan.


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Jill...
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:50 am
Guest
A.Lee wrote:
Quote:
A cat attacked one of my ducks on Tuesday evening. She didint look as
though she would survive the night, as she was so limp. but remarkably
she is still alive.
The only apparent wound was a scratch type puncture mark on the lower
back, with around an inch square area of feather missing. There was
not too much blood.
Since then she has lost a lot more feathers from that area, has perked
up in herself, but is apparently immobile, except if really prompted
(i.e. if she doesnt want me to pick her up).
It seems that one leg is damaged, as when she does stand, the foot is
trailed behind the leg.
She sits there, and doesnt really attempt to move, and when she does,
cannot stand up, but just flaps and shuffles along the ground on her
belly.
I have seen her drinking, and having a nibble at grass, but she hasnt
eaten much at all since.
I dont really want to have to put her to sleep, but from others
experiences, will she be likely to recover from this?
And any tips to help with a recovery?


She is a candidate for the vet -- an antibiotic is important as any
infection can be deep in the tissue and not visible from the surface, and
also their knowledge of general avian anatomy and physiology can help assess
whether its bone, ligament, muscle damage or whether there is a spinal
issue.
To leave her without such attention is not an option. She has to be assessed
by someone who can understand what they are feeling beneath their fingers.

It is possible that its just major bruising, in which case there are things
to help with that, and time will help to heal, and some breaks will heal.
But you cannot leave a bird that might be paralysed to simply sit and
starve. And the other conditions will need medication, and nursing to help
her mend.
Until you know what the problem is you cannot start.


--
regards
Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
Jill...
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:51 am
Guest
A_ L _P wrote:

Quote:

Does anyone know - has anyone already googled - what kind of
antibiotic is safe and effective for geese?

For general mild infections or chronic conditions garlic is really good but
not for something like this
Baytril and there are others which our vets do use


--
regards
Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
Amy Blankenship...
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:45 am
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"A_ L _P" <hay_hell_pea at (no spam) xnet.co.nz> wrote in message
news:485C7A28.1090401 at (no spam) xnet.co.nz...
Quote:
Christina Websell wrote:
"A.Lee" <alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
news:1iiujrb.1kwht8d14g12z6N%alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com...
A cat attacked one of my ducks on Tuesday evening. She didint look as
though she would survive the night, as she was so limp. but remarkably
she is still alive.
The only apparent wound was a scratch type puncture mark on the lower
back, with around an inch square area of feather missing. There was not
too much blood.
Since then she has lost a lot more feathers from that area, has perked
up in herself, but is apparently immobile, except if really prompted
(i.e. if she doesnt want me to pick her up).
It seems that one leg is damaged, as when she does stand, the foot is
trailed behind the leg.
She sits there, and doesnt really attempt to move, and when she does,
cannot stand up, but just flaps and shuffles along the ground on her
belly.
I have seen her drinking, and having a nibble at grass, but she hasnt
eaten much at all since.
I dont really want to have to put her to sleep, but from others
experiences, will she be likely to recover from this?
And any tips to help with a recovery?


Puncture wounds from carnivore teeth will introduce bacteria into the
wound, so at the very least she will need some antibiotics. It's up to
you to decide whether she's worth a trip to the vet.
I've never had a cat attack my poultry, but once two Jack Russells got in
and had a spree here. They severely bit my pair of geese on the back and
a few elderly chickens that were wandering around in the orchard were in
a bad way too. Fortunately I was at home at the time and heard the
commotion, otherwise I'm sure they would have killed them all. All
recovered with antibiotics so it's worth a try.
Your duck will die otherwise (and might still, but I would give the
"medsun* a go) so your conscience will rest easy knowing you did your
best.

Tina



My quick response to puncture wounds - mine or animals' - is hydrogen
peroxide. It was out of favour for a while because it was said to kill
the healthy tissue surrounding the wound and yes, there is some "burning"
but it's the kind of thing the body can deal with better than pus brewing
away in the depths and spreading everywhere.

Does anyone know - has anyone already googled - what kind of antibiotic is
safe and effective for geese? And is it the same for all birds? Just in
case one's vet is able & willing to prescribe but isn't familiar with
birds it would be some good knowledge for us to have in the archives of
this group and might save other people time in the future.

Yogurt may help
A.Lee...
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:13 am
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Christina Websell <spamfree at (no spam) tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
"A.Lee" <alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
news:1iiujrb.1kwht8d14g12z6N%alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com...
A cat attacked one of my ducks on Tuesday evening. She didint look as
though she would survive the night, as she was so limp. but remarkably
she is still alive.
The only apparent wound was a scratch type puncture mark on the lower
back, with around an inch square area of feather missing. There was not
too much blood.
snip


Quote:
Puncture wounds from carnivore teeth will introduce bacteria into the wound,
so at the very least she will need some antibiotics. It's up to you to
decide whether she's worth a trip to the vet.

She was took to the vets yesterday. The vet seemed to think the bite was
on the spine, hence the partial disablement. The wound has healed fine,
he didnt think anti biotics/anti-inflammatories would be any use, as,
apart from the limp leg, she was fine.
He checked all the joints/bones, nothing out of place/broken, so the
only thing was to give her a little more time to see if she recovers.
He reckons if no improvement in 10 days, then it'll be the chop for her.

I think she will get better - she is fine in herself, preening and
eating again, and today after putting her in the pond for 10 minutes
(this is a duck who will not go in water, she dips her head in and that
is all), when I got her out she did stand up for 30 seconds or so, then
flapped her wings and promptly fell over!
So, yes, I think she'll be alright.
Alan.

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Jill...
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:43 am
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A.Lee wrote:
Quote:

She was took to the vets yesterday.

Well done.
Now you have the reassurance of a good examination you can allow the most
powerful medicine Mother Nature has to work
" A tincture of time"

The ligaments and muscles on ducks can take a real battering and do just
take time to heal.


Quote:
I think she will get better - she is fine in herself, preening and
eating again,

Taking care of themselves is a really positive sign. Its not something you
can overcome if it does not kick in.
So things are looking a lot more positive

Well done.


--
regards
Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
A_ L _P...
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:12 am
Guest
A.Lee wrote:
Quote:
Christina Websell <spamfree at (no spam) tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

"A.Lee" <alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
news:1iiujrb.1kwht8d14g12z6N%alan at (no spam) darkroom.+.com...
A cat attacked one of my ducks on Tuesday evening. She didint look as
though she would survive the night, as she was so limp. but remarkably
she is still alive.
The only apparent wound was a scratch type puncture mark on the lower
back, with around an inch square area of feather missing. There was not
too much blood.
snip

Puncture wounds from carnivore teeth will introduce bacteria into the wound,
so at the very least she will need some antibiotics. It's up to you to
decide whether she's worth a trip to the vet.

She was took to the vets yesterday. The vet seemed to think the bite was
on the spine, hence the partial disablement. The wound has healed fine,
he didnt think anti biotics/anti-inflammatories would be any use, as,
apart from the limp leg, she was fine.
He checked all the joints/bones, nothing out of place/broken, so the
only thing was to give her a little more time to see if she recovers.
He reckons if no improvement in 10 days, then it'll be the chop for her.

I think she will get better - she is fine in herself, preening and
eating again, and today after putting her in the pond for 10 minutes
(this is a duck who will not go in water, she dips her head in and that
is all), when I got her out she did stand up for 30 seconds or so, then
flapped her wings and promptly fell over!
So, yes, I think she'll be alright.
Alan.


That's great news, Alan. Sounds like she'll recover well enough to get
on with her life.

I'm surprised that a cat attacked her in the first place. I have cats
and - unintentionally - ducks. Mallards that come and go and are so
laid-back they don't move when I walk less then a metre away from them
on the way to the chicken house. They come into the outdoor run and
steal food when the cafe scraps have arrived. Twice I raised foundling
ducklings from fluff-balls to (1) half grown at which point a stoat took
her and (2) full grown, eventually mastered take-off and flying and
disappeared in the direction of some charming females, I hope.

But would the cats touch them? NO WAY!!! Both ducks found out that one
of the most amusing sounds on earth is the KLONK! that you get when a
duck's bill hits a cat's forehead. The first one, Frankie, was
particularly funny. It was such good fun for her that whenever she saw
an innocent cat wandering along she'd advance with head down ready to
strike. Boy, did those cats move!

A L P
 
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