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0BZN0
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:15 am
Guest
Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus Geology, Western Washington
University, author of 8 books, 150 journal publications with focus on
geomorphology; glacial geology; Pleistocene geochronology; environmental
and engineering geology.

CBS-TV, 60 Minutes, Burlington, Washington

March 30, 2008



http://icecap.us/images/uploads/DonEasterbrookInterviewTranscript.pdf





KLC: You'd agree there is a small effect of CO2; the insulating blanket
effect.



DJE: That's why we have a nice, warm, cozy planet.



KLC: They're careful in the way they parse words. Everyone believes CO2
affects our surface temperature.



DJE: That's why we have a warm planet.



KLC: The question is, how much? Is it significant?



DJE: The CO2 effect is tiny. The eight one-thousandths of one-percent
contributed by human activity won't do much. Human-caused warming is
dogma, pure and simple. That Al Gore won't debate scientists, won't talk
to the press, and all he'll say is 'The debate is over, stupid,' says a
lot for the validity of the argument. There is a list of ten things in
his movie, The Inconvenient Truth, that are totally false. I have
verified those myself-the Gore assertions are false. To be unkind, they
are lies he won't back off from. Hansen, his principal advisor, is
upping the ante by saying the sea level change might not be twenty feet,
instead, it might be 250. Al Gore will go probably down in history as
the guy who claimed to have invented the Internet and human-caused
Global Warming, and they're both bogus claims. It's a hoax, frankly.
--


Warmest Regards

Bonzo

: "They don't tell you, that, in their computer models, it's assumed
that CO2 drives global warming. In other words, you assume the result
and say the computer model proves we were right. It's garbage in,
garbage out. If you don't program the computers to cause temperatures to
rise with CO2, then you have nothing." Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor
Emeritus Geology, Western Washington University
chemist
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:15 am
Guest
On Apr 30, 8:15 am, "0BZN0" <0B...@ddo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus Geology, Western Washington
University, author of 8 books, 150 journal publications with focus on
geomorphology; glacial geology; Pleistocene geochronology; environmental
and engineering geology.

CBS-TV, 60 Minutes, Burlington, Washington

March 30, 2008

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/DonEasterbrookInterviewTranscript.pdf

KLC: You'd agree there is a small effect of CO2; the insulating blanket
effect.

DJE: That's why we have a nice, warm, cozy planet.

KLC: They're careful in the way they parse words. Everyone believes CO2
affects our surface temperature.

DJE: That's why we have a warm planet.

KLC: The question is, how much? Is it significant?

DJE: The CO2 effect is tiny. The eight one-thousandths of one-percent
contributed by human activity won't do much. Human-caused warming is
dogma, pure and simple. That Al Gore won't debate scientists, won't talk
to the press, and all he'll say is 'The debate is over, stupid,' says a
lot for the validity of the argument. There is a list of ten things in
his movie, The Inconvenient Truth, that are totally false. I have
verified those myself-the Gore assertions are false. To be unkind, they
are lies he won't back off from. Hansen, his principal advisor, is
upping the ante by saying the sea level change might not be twenty feet,
instead, it might be 250. Al Gore will go probably down in history as
the guy who claimed to have invented the Internet and human-caused
Global Warming, and they're both bogus claims. It's a hoax, frankly.
--

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

: "They don't tell you, that, in their computer models, it's assumed
that CO2 drives global warming. In other words, you assume the result
and say the computer model proves we were right. It's garbage in,
garbage out. If you don't program the computers to cause temperatures to
rise with CO2, then you have nothing." Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor
Emeritus Geology, Western Washington University

The CO2 effect is non existent. CO2 is physically incapable of
"greenhouse gas " activity.
Lloyd
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:27 am
Guest
On Apr 30, 6:00 am, Robert Blass <bl...@messenger.xcx> wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:15:24 +1000, "0BZN0" <0B...@ddo.com> sayd the
following:

DJE: The CO2 effect is tiny. The eight one-thousandths of one-percent
contributed by human activity won't do much.

That single statistic needs to be repeated and repeated and repeated
as much as possible. According to modern Liberals the human
contributed CO2 is more like 100%. And Liberals hate freedom too.

According to SCIENCE, humans have contributed the 39% increase in
CO2. Accoring to SCIENCE, that is mostly responsible for the current
warming.

Why do you hate knowledge?
Earl Evleth
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:18 am
Guest
On 30/04/08 10:57, in article
3bc983f4-0b38-457a-85ba-f5e42de8c98d@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com, "chemist"
<tom-bolger@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Quote:
CO2 is physically incapable of
"greenhouse gas " activity.


Without it the earth would be a ball of ice.
Paul E. Lehmann
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:56 am
Guest
Earl Evleth wrote:

Quote:
On 30/04/08 10:57, in article

3bc983f4-0b38-457a-85ba-f5e42de8c98d@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
"chemist" <tom-bolger@ntlworld.com> wrote:

CO2 is physically incapable of
"greenhouse gas " activity.


Without it the earth would be a ball of ice.

You're speculating, Earl.
Robert Blass
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:00 am
Guest
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:15:24 +1000, "0BZN0" <0BZN0@ddo.com> sayd the
following:

Quote:
DJE: The CO2 effect is tiny. The eight one-thousandths of one-percent
contributed by human activity won't do much.

That single statistic needs to be repeated and repeated and repeated
as much as possible. According to modern Liberals the human
contributed CO2 is more like 100%. And Liberals hate freedom too.
Earl Evleth
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:28 am
Guest
On 30/04/08 11:56, in article 7rqdnY7RRYbN34XVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com,
"Paul E. Lehmann" <someone@anywhere.com> wrote:

Quote:
Without it the earth would be a ball of ice.

You're speculating, Earl.

I am not alone. In fact I am a follower not a leader.

These are people from Caltech, Harvard, not the Fred Singers of science.

http://www.snowballearth.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

http://www-eps.harvard.edu/people/faculty/hoffman/snowball_paper.html
z
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:10 am
Guest
On Apr 30, 4:57 am, chemist <tom-bol...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Quote:
The CO2 effect is non existent. CO2 is physically incapable of
"greenhouse gas " activity.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

just as what-me-warming folks are physically incapable of organized
cortical processes.
z
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:13 am
Guest
On Apr 30, 4:57 am, chemist <tom-bol...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 30, 8:15 am, "0BZN0" <0B...@ddo.com> wrote:





Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus Geology, Western Washington
University, author of 8 books, 150 journal publications with focus on
geomorphology; glacial geology; Pleistocene geochronology; environmental
and engineering geology.

CBS-TV, 60 Minutes, Burlington, Washington

March 30, 2008

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/DonEasterbrookInterviewTranscript.pdf

KLC: You'd agree there is a small effect of CO2; the insulating blanket
effect.

DJE: That's why we have a nice, warm, cozy planet.

KLC: They're careful in the way they parse words. Everyone believes CO2
affects our surface temperature.

DJE: That's why we have a warm planet.

KLC: The question is, how much? Is it significant?

DJE: The CO2 effect is tiny. The eight one-thousandths of one-percent
contributed by human activity won't do much. Human-caused warming is
dogma, pure and simple. That Al Gore won't debate scientists, won't talk
to the press, and all he'll say is 'The debate is over, stupid,' says a
lot for the validity of the argument. There is a list of ten things in
his movie, The Inconvenient Truth, that are totally false. I have
verified those myself-the Gore assertions are false. To be unkind, they
are lies he won't back off from. Hansen, his principal advisor, is
upping the ante by saying the sea level change might not be twenty feet,
instead, it might be 250. Al Gore will go probably down in history as
the guy who claimed to have invented the Internet and human-caused
Global Warming, and they're both bogus claims. It's a hoax, frankly.
--

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

: "They don't tell you, that, in their computer models, it's assumed
that CO2 drives global warming. In other words, you assume the result
and say the computer model proves we were right. It's garbage in,
garbage out. If you don't program the computers to cause temperatures to
rise with CO2, then you have nothing." Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor
Emeritus Geology, Western Washington University

The CO2 effect is non existent. CO2 is physically incapable of
"greenhouse gas " activity.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



gotta love the logic here. AGW denier 1 states:
"there is a small effect of CO2; the insulating blanket effect.
DJE: That's why we have a nice, warm, cozy planet.
KLC: ... Everyone believes CO2 affects our surface temperature.
DJE: That's why we have a warm planet."

denier 2 states:
"CO2 is physically incapable of "greenhouse gas " activity."

then they nod, satisfied that they are in agreement against the crazy
AGW nuts.
z
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:16 am
Guest
On Apr 30, 1:04 pm, "Paul E. Lehmann" <some...@anywhere.com> wrote:
Quote:
Earl Evleth wrote:
On 30/04/08 11:56, in article
7rqdnY7RRYbN34XVnZ2dnUVZ_r3in...@comcast.com,
"Paul E. Lehmann" <some...@anywhere.com> wrote:

Without it the earth would be a ball of ice.

You're speculating, Earl.

I am not alone. In fact I am a follower not a
leader.

These are people from Caltech, Harvard, not the
Fred Singers of science.

http://www.snowballearth.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

http://www-eps.harvard.edu/people/faculty/hoffman/snowball_paper.html

Correction, you AND they are speculating.

Just as those who subscribe to Gamma Ray Bursts
causing drastic climate change.  Pick your
favorite and go for it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

just like you speculate that you can step outside your house, and
gravity will keep you from flying into space. or do you have proof?
z
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:42 am
Guest
On Apr 30, 2:27 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
Quote:
z wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:04 pm, "Paul E. Lehmann" <some...@anywhere.com> wrote:
Earl Evleth wrote:
On 30/04/08 11:56, in article
7rqdnY7RRYbN34XVnZ2dnUVZ_r3in...@comcast.com,
"Paul E. Lehmann" <some...@anywhere.com> wrote:
Without it the earth would be a ball of ice.
You're speculating, Earl.
I am not alone. In fact I am a follower not a
leader.
These are people from Caltech, Harvard, not the
Fred Singers of science.
http://www.snowballearth.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth
http://www-eps.harvard.edu/people/faculty/hoffman/snowball_paper.html

Correction, you AND they are speculating.

Just as those who subscribe to Gamma Ray Bursts
causing drastic climate change.  Pick your
favorite and go for it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

just like you speculate that you can step outside your house, and
gravity will keep you from flying into space. or do you have proof?

I did it this morning and tested your hypothesis. Something forced me to
stick to the ground no matter how high I jumped.

It looks like almost 100% of the other people stuck to the ground also.
Some tested the hypothesis at 30,000 feet and they came back to the
ground too.

I see a pattern starting to reveal its self....  maybe even a
consensus.... but other than that, gravity can't be linked to anything
outside my house.

The other night my bed was spinning and I fell off, does that mean my
bed has no gravity?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

and yet;
"'Without it [CO2 greenhouse effect] the earth would be a ball of
ice.'
'You're speculating, Earl.'"

Perhaps you can enlighten us as to how the proof of gravity is
different from the proof of the energy balance of the earth vis a vis
the energy influx from the sun, in the absence of the greenhouse
effect?
Ouroboros_Rex
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:14 am
Guest
Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
Quote:
Earl Evleth wrote:

On 30/04/08 10:57, in article

3bc983f4-0b38-457a-85ba-f5e42de8c98d@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
"chemist" <tom-bolger@ntlworld.com> wrote:

CO2 is physically incapable of
"greenhouse gas " activity.


Without it the earth would be a ball of ice.

You're speculating, Earl.

Why do you lie?

p.s. Your craven cowardly response redirect to us.invest fixed.
Apparently, you never ever learn. lol
Ouroboros_Rex
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:14 am
Guest
Robert Blass wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:15:24 +1000, "0BZN0" <0BZN0@ddo.com> sayd the
following:

DJE: The CO2 effect is tiny. The eight one-thousandths of one-percent
contributed by human activity won't do much.

That single statistic needs to be repeated and repeated and repeated
as much as possible.

Why? It is a lie.
Earl Evleth
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:19 am
Guest
On 30/04/08 15:27, in article
973d133e-e51a-49db-af95-c4fa3f2bcf3e@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "Lloyd"
<lparker@emory.edu> wrote:

Quote:
According to SCIENCE, humans have contributed the 39% increase in
CO2. Accoring to SCIENCE,


reference please.
Earl Evleth
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:30 am
Guest
On 30/04/08 17:14, in article fva2c0$vsu$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu, "Ouroboros_Rex"
<its@casual.com> wrote:

Quote:
Without it the earth would be a ball of ice.

You're speculating, Earl.

Why do you lie?

p.s. Your craven cowardly response redirect to us.invest fixed.
Apparently, you never ever learn. lol


I would not call it a lie. What is true is that the snowball hypothesis
is plausible and serious scientists are working on it and publishing
peer review papers. Next, there is NO DOUBT scientifically that
the earth would be a snowball if the CO2 levels got low enough
and no other GHG (i.e. methane) was present. So the final word
is not in but it still is not a wild guess like on the stock market.
 
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