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| D from BC |
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I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
D from BC
British Columbia
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| JeffM |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:33 pm |
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D from BC wrote:
Quote: I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
Just as there are printer drivers
that allow you to direct the output of an app to a PDF file,
there are printer drivers that allow you to send a fax from a
computer.
Last I checked, Windoze has it as a feature/option.
Quote: Should a business still be faxable?
The sign-this-and-return-it thing has been brought up.
That seems to be the only common use of fax these days.
If that never is an issue for you
(and I think you would have mentioned it if it was),
then going for ~4 months without any luddite clients (or potential
clients)
sending you enough business via fax to offset the expense,
says it's time to think seriously about that whole thing. |
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| Jim Thompson |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:52 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0700, D from BC
<myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
Quote: I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
Good question... I average sending 1 fax per week, receive 1 fax per
month.
...Jim Thompson
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| Spehro Pefhany |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:02 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0700, the renowned D from BC
<myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
Quote: I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
My choice is to keep it around for a while yet (incoming and
outgoing), but not advertise or encourage it.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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| legg |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:26 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0700, D from BC
<myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
Quote: I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
Signatures on docs (followed by snail mail originals) gets things
moving when the movers are inclined and available to do so. This
doesn't necessarily mean you need to have your own machine... if you
don't mind your receiving end sniffing confidential stuff....
My fax number costs $5 a month. The machine itself is a decade old,
but still dances with current MS OS. It still pays for itself.
How much does text space cost? A strange question from a usenet typist
- a veritable can of worms where professionalism is concerned.
Spammers passed the technology by about eight years ago, so maybe that
tells you something.
What I'd really like to have had was a telex terminal - now there's a
dusty establishment symbol.
RL |
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| Harry Dellamano |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:30 pm |
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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:lk0n049hf5t3mkh2jkc0q8hqrn8h4473ei@4ax.com...
Quote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0700, D from BC
myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
Good question... I average sending 1 fax per week, receive 1 fax per
month.
...Jim Thompson
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Yea me to, but that one Fax in is usually very important, like a PO or
something that needs signing and returned. Buyers at large companies still
like Fax.
Cheers
Harry |
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| Martin Griffith |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:39 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0700, in sci.electronics.design D from
BC <myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
Quote: I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
I think Olimex, the pcb, people need you to fax back with a CreditCard
number, and as an order confirmation. Probably saves the need for a
secure website
Seems very sensible
martin |
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| D from BC |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:44 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:52:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
Quote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0700, D from BC
myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
Good question... I average sending 1 fax per week, receive 1 fax per
month.
...Jim Thompson
Excluding fax spam I suppose..
Which brings in another thought.. Perhaps most spammers have given up
on fax. Another sign that fax is going...going...gone.
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada |
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| John Larkin |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:25 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0700, D from BC
<myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
Quote: I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
We still get a lot of purchase orders by fax. Outgoing, we do the
occasional legal or medical (insurance stuff, prescriptions to
providers) stuff. Maybe a few a day on average.
Spam (we get thousands per day) makes email a less reliable way to
send important docs; some get killfiled by accident.
Our new Sharp digital copy machine has a bulk scanner mode. It will
feed and digitize an entire document, both sides, and email anyone
either a pdf file or a zillion tiff's. Very slick.
John |
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| Don McKenzie |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:36 pm |
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Martin Griffith wrote:
Quote: I think Olimex, the pcb, people need you to fax back with a CreditCard
number, and as an order confirmation. Probably saves the need for a
secure website
Seems very sensible
martin
We run our business with an electronics fax service.
Incoming: pdf to email.
Outgoing: email and/or attached document to fax number.
Used standard local phone number.
simple stuff and cheap
we use http://ozefax.com/ but there are dozens of services around.
Govt, and edu dept's insist on a faxed Purchase Order, but as we only
sell mail order via the web, we tell them to put in a shopping cart
order. The fax is of no use to us.
We do have a fax machine here, but only use it when we have to fax a
dozen physical pages. Even then, we have to connect it up to a line.
We also insist on proof of ID under some circumstances, but we mostly
accept scanned documents.
Don...
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| T |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:45 pm |
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In article <2eum049n3vgfkir1j2eu6p1kq5qabs7gv9@4ax.com>,
myrealaddress@comic.com says...
Quote: I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
I believe it's dead. You can buy a printer with decent scanner attached
for less than $100 now, just scan the document and email it. No biggie. |
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| D from BC |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:01 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:40:59 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jeffm_@email.com>
wrote:
Quote: D from BC wrote:
I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
Just as there are printer drivers
that allow you to direct the output of an app to a PDF file,
there are printer drivers that allow you to send a fax from a
computer.
Last I checked, Windoze has it as a feature/option.
Should a business still be faxable?
The sign-this-and-return-it thing has been brought up.
That seems to be the only common use of fax these days.
If that never is an issue for you
(and I think you would have mentioned it if it was),
then going for ~4 months without any luddite clients (or potential
clients)
sending you enough business via fax to offset the expense,
says it's time to think seriously about that whole thing.
A new word for me, luddite..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
"the term Luddite has been used to describe anyone opposed to
technological progress and technological change"
Ah...
Business is good without fax. I charge luddites extra. 
That's to clean the carrier pigeon poop off the window sill. :P
D from BC
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| Jim Thompson |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:15 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:26:37 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
Quote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0700, D from BC
myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote:
I sold my fax modem years ago.
Now I use a web-to-fax service for 10 cents per outgoing fax.
I don't fax very often and over the years it hasn't even totaled yet
to a large coffee.
However, nobody can fax in but nobody does anyways..
Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
Let's say...
Fax # on business cards
Fax # on signs
Fax # on web sites
Fax # on vans
Fax # on T shirts
I think fax is not worthy of the added text space anymore.
Signatures on docs (followed by snail mail originals) gets things
moving when the movers are inclined and available to do so. This
doesn't necessarily mean you need to have your own machine... if you
don't mind your receiving end sniffing confidential stuff...
Scan to a PDF
Quote:
My fax number costs $5 a month. The machine itself is a decade old,
but still dances with current MS OS. It still pays for itself.
How much does text space cost? A strange question from a usenet typist
- a veritable can of worms where professionalism is concerned.
Spammers passed the technology by about eight years ago, so maybe that
tells you something.
I get several junk faxes a week... on my PC-based WinFax. I fax back
20 pages of solid black... hoping they have a conventional paper fax
;-)
Quote:
What I'd really like to have had was a telex terminal - now there's a
dusty establishment symbol.
RL
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
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| DJ Delorie |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:20 pm |
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I have a fax modem hooked up to the main telephone. It's off when I'm
not faxing. Combine that with a scanner and printer, and I have all
the faxing capabilities I need, at no monthly cost.
My mom, who is less technically inclined than I am, has a
multi-function printer that includes faxing. Again, she just leaves
it not plugged in to the phone when she's not faxing.
I use my fax monthly to submit receipts for expense reports. Saves a
stamp. We're trying to figure out how to do an email gateway for it. |
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| Keith M |
| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:20 pm |
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D from BC wrote:
Quote: Has fax faded away yet?
Should a business still be faxable? Or does fax look old fashioned
these days?
No, I don't think so. I work for a large company and we rely on faxes
daily. Email has replaced a lot of the functionality, but as mentioned,
for things like PO's, general ordering, many companies still want to do
business with us via fax.
I personally own a fax machine --- a $75 model bought 10 years ago still
works perfectly. I honestly never liked fax modems although I have had
them for years. Although I'm not like this in respect to most
technology, I've always hated faxing through a PC. It just had too many
problems, and the software was never perfect enough --- it might miss a
fax call or the fax modem would have problems sync'ing up to a remote.
I noticed international faxing with modems was very unreliable, but my
fax machine always worked well. (there's probably a technical
underlying reason for this, but who cares? just use the fax machine)
I think faxes carry a little more weight than emails. While travelling
overseas on various vacations, I've always insisted that the hotels send
confirmation via fax(even if booked online) because their letterhead,
etc, is nice to whip out if they do the "we don't have your reservation
in the computer" trick.
.....And it has happened. On more than one occasion. Many people have
an inherent mistrust of things digital, whether misplaced or not. Too
easily forged or edited in Word or whatever. I think a fax would be
more acceptable evidence in a trial than an email......
my $0.02
Keith |
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