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Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the
probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to
the10.123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this
possibility.

Roger Penrose*, a famous British mathematician and a close friend of
Stephen
Hawking, wondered about this question and tried to calculate the
probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for
human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the
probability of this environment occurring among all the possible results
of
the Big Bang.

According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the
order
of 1010123 to 1.
It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value
10123
means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the total
number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But
Penrose's
answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

Or consider: 103 means 1,000, a thousand. 10103 is a number that that has
1
followed by 1000 zeros. If there are six zeros, it's called a million; if
nine, a billion; if twelve, a trillion and so on. There is not even a name
for a number that has 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

In practical terms, in mathematics, a probability of 1 in 1050 means "zero
probability". Penrose's number is more than trillion trillion trillion
times
less than that. In short, Penrose's number tells us that the 'accidental"
or
"coincidental" creation of our universe is an impossibility.

Concerning this mind-boggling number Roger Penrose comments:
This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an
accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One
could
not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary
notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were
to
write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the
entire
universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure-
we
should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.

http://www.faizani.com/news/news_2003/math_impossibility.html

Having looked again there is a massive error in the article you cited.

It uses positive values for the power by which ten is raised rather
than negative values.

Conclusion the article is grossly flawed, and not worth citing for any
reason, other than to show it to be false.

Sorry about having to tell you that.

[chuckle]

Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

I'll let him know YOU are correct and HE is wrong as soon as YOUR name is in
wikipedia!

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According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the order
of 1010123 to 1.
It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value 10123
means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the total
number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But Penrose's
answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

Hmm.  Well, according to the US Constitution and assorted laws, GWB
should have not become president.  Therefore he is not and the past 7
years have been just a bad dream.

Gee, that was easy.

Mark Evans

 Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the
probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to
the10.123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this
possibility.

Roger Penrose*, a famous British mathematician and a close friend of Stephen
Hawking, wondered about this question and tried to calculate the
probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for
human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the
probability of this environment occurring among all the possible results of
the Big Bang.

According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the order
of 1010123 to 1.
It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value 10123
means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the total
number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But Penrose's
answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

Or consider: 103 means 1,000, a thousand. 10103 is a number that that has 1
followed by 1000 zeros. If there are six zeros, it's called a million; if
nine, a billion; if twelve, a trillion and so on. There is not even a name
for a number that has 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

In practical terms, in mathematics, a probability of 1 in 1050 means "zero
probability". Penrose's number is more than trillion trillion trillion times
less than that. In short, Penrose's number tells us that the 'accidental" or
"coincidental" creation of our universe is an impossibility.

Concerning this mind-boggling number Roger Penrose comments:
This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an
accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could
not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary
notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were to
write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire
universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we
should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.

http://www.faizani.com/news/news_2003/math_impossibility.html

 Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the
probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to
the10.123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this
possibility.

Roger Penrose*, a famous British mathematician and a close friend of Stephen
Hawking, wondered about this question and tried to calculate the
probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for
human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the
probability of this environment occurring among all the possible results of
the Big Bang.

According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the order
of 1010123 to 1.
It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value 10123
means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the total
number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But Penrose's
answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

Or consider: 103 means 1,000, a thousand. 10103 is a number that that has 1
followed by 1000 zeros. If there are six zeros, it's called a million; if
nine, a billion; if twelve, a trillion and so on. There is not even a name
for a number that has 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

In practical terms, in mathematics, a probability of 1 in 1050 means "zero
probability". Penrose's number is more than trillion trillion trillion times
less than that. In short, Penrose's number tells us that the 'accidental" or
"coincidental" creation of our universe is an impossibility.

Concerning this mind-boggling number Roger Penrose comments:
This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an
accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could
not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary
notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were to
write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire
universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we
should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.

http://www.faizani.com/news/news_2003/math_impossibility.html

Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

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Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the
probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to
the10.123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this
possibility.

"BRAINIAC" <nour...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:e4bcb895-d02b-4d5a-9106-d63a704ca05d@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
| On 5 Apr, 16:57, "adman" <72...@hottmail.et> wrote:
| > "BRAINIAC" <nour...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
|
| >news:04b98023-2c73-4370-9504-63b28bc11eb7@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
| > On 5 Apr, 15:07, "adman" <72...@hottmail.et> wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| > > Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive
career.
| > > Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
| > > itself after a big bang explosion.
|
| > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose
|
| > > The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the
| > > probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10
to
| > > the10.123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe
this
| > > possibility.
|
| > > Roger Penrose*, a famous British mathematician and a close friend of
| > > Stephen
| > > Hawking, wondered about this question and tried to calculate the
| > > probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required
for
| > > human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed
the
| > > probability of this environment occurring among all the possible
results
| > > of
| > > the Big Bang.
|
| > > According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the
| > > order
| > > of 1010123 to 1.
| > > It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value
| > > 10123
| > > means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the
total
| > > number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But
| > > Penrose's
| > > answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10123
zeros.
|
| > > Or consider: 103 means 1,000, a thousand. 10103 is a number that that
has
| > > 1
| > > followed by 1000 zeros. If there are six zeros, it's called a million;
if
| > > nine, a billion; if twelve, a trillion and so on. There is not even a
name
| > > for a number that has 1 followed by 10123 zeros.
|
| > > In practical terms, in mathematics, a probability of 1 in 1050 means
"zero
| > > probability". Penrose's number is more than trillion trillion trillion
| > > times
| > > less than that. In short, Penrose's number tells us that the
'accidental"
| > > or
| > > "coincidental" creation of our universe is an impossibility.
|
| > > Concerning this mind-boggling number Roger Penrose comments:
| > > This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to
an
| > > accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One
| > > could
| > > not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary
| > > notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we
were
| > > to
| > > write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the
| > > entire
| > > universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good
measure-
| > > we
| > > should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.
|
| > >http://www.faizani.com/news/news_2003/math_impossibility.html
|
| > Having looked again there is a massive error in the article you cited.
|
| > It uses positive values for the power by which ten is raised rather
| > than negative values.
|
| > Conclusion the article is grossly flawed, and not worth citing for any
| > reason, other than to show it to be false.
|
| > Sorry about having to tell you that.
|
| > [chuckle]
|
| > Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive
career.
| > Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
| > itself after a big bang explosion.
|
| >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose
|
| > I'll let him know YOU are correct and HE is wrong as soon as YOUR name
is in
| > wikipedia!
|
| I stand corrected on one thing only.
|
| Roger Penrose isn't the one who got this wrong.
|
| It was Harun Yahya, the well known anti evolutionist, and funnily
| enough Harun Yahya is his nome de plume, for some strange reason none
| of his works are ever written under his real name.
|
| I Googled - "Roger Penrose" and "This number tells us how precise the
| Creator's aim must have been."
|
| Guess what, the only sources I can find all point to Harun Yahya's
| works, or websites that refer to his works.
|
| Nowhere on Google do I find any other source linking Roger Penrose
| with this quotation.

References:* Roger Penrose, The Emperor's New Mind, 1989; Michael Denton,
Nature's Destiny, The New York: The Free Press, 1998, p. 9

|
| Therefore I am forced to conclude that my original surmise that the
| article is flawed is still correct.
|
| And might I respectfully point out that any event with a non-zero
| probability is not an impossibility.
|
| That is the fact that opponents of the Big Bang and Evolution are
| unable to accept.
|
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|
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|

Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the
probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to
the10.123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this
possibility.

Roger Penrose*, a famous British mathematician and a close friend of
Stephen
Hawking, wondered about this question and tried to calculate the
probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for
human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the
probability of this environment occurring among all the possible results
of
the Big Bang.

According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the
order
of 1010123 to 1.
It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value
10123
means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the total
number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But
Penrose's
answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

Or consider: 103 means 1,000, a thousand. 10103 is a number that that has
1
followed by 1000 zeros. If there are six zeros, it's called a million; if
nine, a billion; if twelve, a trillion and so on. There is not even a name
for a number that has 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

In practical terms, in mathematics, a probability of 1 in 1050 means "zero
probability". Penrose's number is more than trillion trillion trillion
times
less than that. In short, Penrose's number tells us that the 'accidental"
or
"coincidental" creation of our universe is an impossibility.

Concerning this mind-boggling number Roger Penrose comments:
This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an
accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One
could
not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary
notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were
to
write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the
entire
universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure-
we
should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.

http://www.faizani.com/news/news_2003/math_impossibility.html

Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

 Roger Penrose , a man with impressive edcuation, and an impressive career.
Shows how impossible it is for the universe, earth and manking to form
itself after a big bang explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the
probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to
the10.123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this
possibility.

Roger Penrose*, a famous British mathematician and a close friend of Stephen
Hawking, wondered about this question and tried to calculate the
probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for
human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the
probability of this environment occurring among all the possible results of
the Big Bang.

According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the order
of 1010123 to 1.
It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value 10123
means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the total
number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But Penrose's
answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

Or consider: 103 means 1,000, a thousand. 10103 is a number that that has 1
followed by 1000 zeros. If there are six zeros, it's called a million; if
nine, a billion; if twelve, a trillion and so on. There is not even a name
for a number that has 1 followed by 10123 zeros.

In practical terms, in mathematics, a probability of 1 in 1050 means "zero
probability". Penrose's number is more than trillion trillion trillion times
less than that. In short, Penrose's number tells us that the 'accidental" or
"coincidental" creation of our universe is an impossibility.