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 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:18 pm |
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Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........
"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions
Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning accusation
when it rounded up 462 children at a polygamous sect's ranch: The
adults are forcing teenage girls into marriage and sex, creating a
culture so poisonous that none should be allowed to keep their
children.
But the broad sweep - from nursing infants to teenagers - is raising
constitutional questions, even in a state where authorities have wide
latitude for taking a family's children.
The move has the appearance of "a class-action child removal," said
Jessica Dixon, director of the child advocacy center at Southern
Methodist University's law school in Dallas.
"I've never heard of anything like that," she said.
Rod Parker, a spokesman for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints, contends that the state has essentially said,
"If you're a member of this religious group, then you're not allowed
to have children."
Attorneys for the families and civil-liberties groups also are crying
foul. They say the state should not have taken children away from all
church members living at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado.
Church members said that not all of them practice polygamy, and some
form traditional nuclear families. One sect member whose teenage son
is now in foster care testified that she is a divorced single mother.
"Of course, we condemn child abuse and we don't stand up for the
perpetration of that," said Lisa Graybill, legal director of the
American Civil Liberties Union of Texas. But "what the state has done
has offended a pretty wide swath of the American people with what
appears to be an overreaching action to sweep up all these children."
State and local officials had been eyeing the sect suspiciously since
it bought the ranch in 2003 and moved hundreds of its members in. They
raided the property April 3, with heavy weapons and SWAT vehicles,
after a female claiming to be a 16-year-old girl at the ranch called a
family violence shelter and said her 49-year-old husband beat and
raped her. That girl has not yet been identified.
State officials searched for a week for evidence of sexual abuse and
rounded up all the children into mass shelters. As of Friday, the
children had all been bused to foster group homes hundreds of miles
away; only nursing infants still have their mothers with them.
Texas law has a "very low burden for removal of children from a
parent's home, at least temporarily," Dixon said.
But state authorities are supposed to keep the children in their homes
unless "a person of ordinary prudence and caution" believes there's a
continuing and immediate danger to their safety.
CPS officials have conceded there is no evidence the youngest children
were abused, and about 130 of the children are under 5. Teenage boys
were not physically or sexually abused either, according to evidence
presented in a custody hearing earlier last week, but more than two
dozen teenage boys are also in state custody, now staying at a boys'
ranch that might typically house troubled or abandoned teens.
Constitutional experts say U.S. courts have consistently held that a
parent's beliefs alone are not grounds for removal.
"The general view of the legal system is until there is an imminent
risk of harm or actual harm, you can't do that," said UCLA law
professor Eugene Volokh.
Lawyers for the FLDS parents and civil rights groups complain that a
chaotic mass custody hearing last week prevented state District Judge
Barbara Walther from hearing any individual stories that might have
led her to allow some parents to keep their children.
One FLDS member who did testify said she and her husband and their
three children form a traditional family and live in a separate house
from other sect members. An FLDS expert who testified at the hearing
and a former member of the sect say only about half the marriages in
the sect are polygamous.
Walther agreed to keep all the children in state custody after 21
hours of testimony in a hearing involving hundreds of lawyers.
"That's the hard thing about this. They want to paint everyone with
the same brush," said Shelly Greco, an attorney who represents several
children in the case.
An appellate court in Austin is scheduled to hold a hearing Tuesday on
a motion filed by dozens of mothers to get their children back.
Walther has said each mother will get an individual hearing by June 5.
If there was an underage mother in every home, the state might be able
to make its case for removal of all the children, Dixon said, but it's
likely that once individual hearings are held, some of the children
may be headed back to their parents.
Another legal issue may emerge if investigators discover the call from
the 16-year-old girl was a hoax.
Authorities are investigating whether the calls came from a woman in
Colorado who has a history of making fake calls, but CPS officials and
legal experts say the outcome of that investigation will likely have
little bearing on the custody case, given that authorities went to the
ranch believing the calls were legitimate and then found possible
evidence of abuse. "" |
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On Apr 25, 9:18 pm, Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote: Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........
"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions
Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning accusation
when it rounded up 462 children at a polygamous sect's ranch: The
adults are forcing teenage girls into marriage and sex, creating a
culture so poisonous that none should be allowed to keep their
children.
But the broad sweep - from nursing infants to teenagers - is raising
constitutional questions, even in a state where authorities have wide
latitude for taking a family's children.
The move has the appearance of "a class-action child removal," said
Jessica Dixon, director of the child advocacy center at Southern
Methodist University's law school in Dallas.
"I've never heard of anything like that," she said.
Rod Parker, a spokesman for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints, contends that the state has essentially said,
"If you're a member of this religious group, then you're not allowed
to have children."
Attorneys for the families and civil-liberties groups also are crying
foul. They say the state should not have taken children away from all
church members living at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado.
Church members said that not all of them practice polygamy, and some
form traditional nuclear families. One sect member whose teenage son
is now in foster care testified that she is a divorced single mother.
"Of course, we condemn child abuse and we don't stand up for the
perpetration of that," said Lisa Graybill, legal director of the
American Civil Liberties Union of Texas. But "what the state has done
has offended a pretty wide swath of the American people with what
appears to be an overreaching action to sweep up all these children."
State and local officials had been eyeing the sect suspiciously since
it bought the ranch in 2003 and moved hundreds of its members in. They
raided the property April 3, with heavy weapons and SWAT vehicles,
after a female claiming to be a 16-year-old girl at the ranch called a
family violence shelter and said her 49-year-old husband beat and
raped her. That girl has not yet been identified.
State officials searched for a week for evidence of sexual abuse and
rounded up all the children into mass shelters. As of Friday, the
children had all been bused to foster group homes hundreds of miles
away; only nursing infants still have their mothers with them.
Texas law has a "very low burden for removal of children from a
parent's home, at least temporarily," Dixon said.
But state authorities are supposed to keep the children in their homes
unless "a person of ordinary prudence and caution" believes there's a
continuing and immediate danger to their safety.
CPS officials have conceded there is no evidence the youngest children
were abused, and about 130 of the children are under 5. Teenage boys
were not physically or sexually abused either, according to evidence
presented in a custody hearing earlier last week, but more than two
dozen teenage boys are also in state custody, now staying at a boys'
ranch that might typically house troubled or abandoned teens.
Constitutional experts say U.S. courts have consistently held that a
parent's beliefs alone are not grounds for removal.
"The general view of the legal system is until there is an imminent
risk of harm or actual harm, you can't do that," said UCLA law
professor Eugene Volokh.
Lawyers for the FLDS parents and civil rights groups complain that a
chaotic mass custody hearing last week prevented state District Judge
Barbara Walther from hearing any individual stories that might have
led her to allow some parents to keep their children.
One FLDS member who did testify said she and her husband and their
three children form a traditional family and live in a separate house
from other sect members. An FLDS expert who testified at the hearing
and a former member of the sect say only about half the marriages in
the sect are polygamous.
Walther agreed to keep all the children in state custody after 21
hours of testimony in a hearing involving hundreds of lawyers.
"That's the hard thing about this. They want to paint everyone with
the same brush," said Shelly Greco, an attorney who represents several
children in the case.
An appellate court in Austin is scheduled to hold a hearing Tuesday on
a motion filed by dozens of mothers to get their children back.
Walther has said each mother will get an individual hearing by June 5.
If there was an underage mother in every home, the state might be able
to make its case for removal of all the children, Dixon said, but it's
likely that once individual hearings are held, some of the children
may be headed back to their parents.
Another legal issue may emerge if investigators discover the call from
the 16-year-old girl was a hoax.
Authorities are investigating whether the calls came from a woman in
Colorado who has a history of making fake calls, but CPS officials and
legal experts say the outcome of that investigation will likely have
little bearing on the custody case, given that authorities went to the
ranch believing the calls were legitimate and then found possible
evidence of abuse. ""
I had mixed feeling about the Waco group, because of their firing
rifles etc. But this invasion by the law is pretty sick shit. There
were many more ways to approach these people than the horseshit of
taking kids away from their mom's.. There is so much insanity here
by just waving a flag that these folks being different and the
government barging in to arrest folks. If some of these assholes
where honest about their grandparents , great grandparents it was
more normal to get married at 13 or 16 than not. The news shows love
all this sexual content. It was not an orgy, folks don't have sex all
day long, they had chores to do and make a living. I think if these
folks get some good lawyers , some heads will roll. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:53 pm |
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Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger100@aol.com> wrote:
Quote: Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........
"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions
Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning accusation
when it rounded up 462 children at a polygamous sect's ranch: The
adults are forcing teenage girls into marriage and sex, creating a
culture so poisonous that none should be allowed to keep their
children.
But the broad sweep - from nursing infants to teenagers - is raising
constitutional questions, even in a state where authorities have wide
latitude for taking a family's children.
The move has the appearance of "a class-action child removal," said
Jessica Dixon, director of the child advocacy center at Southern
Methodist University's law school in Dallas.
"I've never heard of anything like that," she said.
I'm glad somebody else sees through the propaganda fog, realizing
this is capital-'E' 'Establishment' at work. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:53 am |
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On Apr 27, 12:53�am, B1ackwater <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
Quote: Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........
"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions
Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning accusation
when it rounded up 462 children at a polygamous sect's ranch: The
adults are forcing teenage girls into marriage and sex, creating a
culture so poisonous that none should be allowed to keep their
children.
But the broad sweep - from nursing infants to teenagers - is raising
constitutional questions, even in a state where authorities have wide
latitude for taking a family's children.
The move has the appearance of "a class-action child removal," said
Jessica Dixon, director of the child advocacy center at Southern
Methodist University's law school in Dallas.
"I've never heard of anything like that," she said.
� �I'm glad somebody else sees through the propaganda fog, realizing
� �this is capital-'E' 'Establishment' at work.- Hide quoted text -
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It shows just how much the Government is Out Of Control in this
country.........Using the same "Parameters", the Government can take
Kids out of ANYONE'S Home because they "Could Be" subject to Abuse at
some time during their Childhood...........I predict the State of
Texas will Pay Dearly for this Folly.........And Rightly
So..........Donchaknow........ |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:07 am |
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:53:41 -0700 (PDT), "theloneranger100@aol.com"
<theloneranger100@aol.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 27, 12:53=EF=BF=BDam, B1ackwater <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........
"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions
Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning accusation
when it rounded up 462 children at a polygamous sect's ranch: The
adults are forcing teenage girls into marriage and sex, creating a
culture so poisonous that none should be allowed to keep their
children.
But the broad sweep - from nursing infants to teenagers - is raising
constitutional questions, even in a state where authorities have wide
latitude for taking a family's children.
The move has the appearance of "a class-action child removal," said
Jessica Dixon, director of the child advocacy center at Southern
Methodist University's law school in Dallas.
"I've never heard of anything like that," she said.
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDI'm glad somebody else sees through the propaganda fog,=
realizing
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDthis is capital-'E' 'Establishment' at work.- Hide quot=
ed text -
- Show quoted text -
It shows just how much the Government is Out Of Control in this
country.........Using the same "Parameters", the Government can take
Kids out of ANYONE'S Home because they "Could Be" subject to Abuse at
some time during their Childhood...........I predict the State of
Texas will Pay Dearly for this Folly.........And Rightly
So..........Donchaknow........
They'll set their precedents using "unusual" cases with
"weird/despised" individuals and groups - and everybody,
with media prompting, will CHEER.
And then it spirals outwards ...
Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
they've got the "right" religion too. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:54 am |
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On Apr 26, 12:43 pm, "McCain's Economy is BUSH BullShit's Economy,
they're bodies" <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote: free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:48b08544-ceb0-4658-845d-46bd7254e97f@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 25, 9:18 pm, Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com
wrote:
Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........
"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions
Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning
accusation
Authorities are investigating whether the calls came from a
woman in
Colorado who has a history of making fake calls, but CPS
officials and
legal experts say the outcome of that investigation will
likely have
little bearing on the custody case, given that authorities
went to the
ranch believing the calls were legitimate and then found
possible
evidence of abuse. ""
I had mixed feeling about the Waco group, because of their
firing
rifles etc. But this invasion by the law is pretty sick shit.
There
were many more ways to approach these people than the horseshit
of
taking kids away from their mom's.. There is so much insanity
here
by just waving a flag that these folks being different and
the
government barging in to arrest folks. If some of these
assholes
where honest about their grandparents , great grandparents it
was
more normal to get married at 13 or 16 than not. The news
shows love
all this sexual content. It was not an orgy, folks don't have
sex all
day long, they had chores to do and make a living. I think if
these
folks get some good lawyers , some heads will roll.
The Wrong-doing is already in the blood of American Authorities,
this is a Cancer, not Only US doing to herself, she rampages in
other countries as well, you will have feel sympathetic for
foreigners if you see something like this.......It's the same
shit under the hood of Protecting of Something of BS... Parents
and Children by nature love eacher, who would allow their
children to be abused?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The most interesting part of the article was that the Texas officials
admitted the call that started the whole thing off may have been a
crank call, but they defended themselves anyway! sheez.
I think if it is true that hiring a few good lawyers will cause some
heads to roll in Texas as well as the media, that will send a message
to many fringe groups to take all the money you spend on weapons, and
hire a damned good lawyer with it - the pen is mightier than the
sword.
Every fringe groups around will have their own Oscar Zeta Acosta on
staff to defend their weird ways. Though Hunter Thompsom did have
his firearms too. |
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"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
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Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
they've got the "right" religion too.
You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. Your daughter can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an abortion with out
your permision. You can't punish them short of saying "Please don't do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too. They get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of their own
making. And everything wrong in the world is their fault because they are
Americans. And their idea of the right religion is no religion.
Whitelightning |
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On Apr 28, 6:06�am, "Whitelightning" <white.lightni...@verizon.net>
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Quote: "B1ackwater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
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� Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
� Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
� what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
� they've got the "right" religion too.
You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. �Your daughter can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an abortion with out
your permision. �You can't punish them short of saying "Please don't do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too. �They get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of their own
making. �And everything wrong in the world is their fault because they are
Americans. �And their idea of the right religion is no religion.
Whitelightning
And you can pin the Blame for all this squarely on the Little Radical
Spoiled Bastards of the 60's.........The
"BabyBummers"..........Donchaknow......... |
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:06:15 GMT, "Whitelightning"
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"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
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Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
they've got the "right" religion too.
You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. Your daughter can have
birth control with out your knowing it,
Good.
The "free country" paradigm means that people can
do things you might not like them to do. If it
isn't killing you, grin and bear it - and expect
others to tolerate YOUR personal eccentricities
as well.
Quote: she can have an abortion with out your permision.
Good.
Better than her parents trying to turn sex & pregnancy
into some kind of manipulative talibanistic threat they
can use against her. Or maybe you admire those 'traditional'
islamics who just kill 'ruined' daughters ... ?
Quote: You can't punish them short of saying "Please don't do that
again",
Admittedly THAT has been a mistake. The most direct and
lasting route to a brats brain is, well, from the bottom
up if you get my meaning. Alas, enough parents took that
route and more - often, over absolute trivia ... and thus
"spanking" became synonomous with "beating" and "abuse"
instead of "education".
Of course there WERE some ultralibs involved ... and since
they figure the only way to sneak-in their totalitarian
regime is to first undermine the existing system, making
the kids into total sociopaths beyond all control was a
smart move.
Quote: and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too.
Proof of barbarism ... :-)
Quote: They get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of their own
making.
Which is sort-of right, and sort-of wrong. "Deviance" - not
having to do/think what most do/think - is kinda what America
is all about, isn't it ? "Free country", "freedom of choice"
and all that ?
The failure - perhaps deliberate - of the far 'left' is that
they've done much to undermine the existing society, its
conventions, institutions, infrastructure, checks & balances ...
but they didn't REPLACE those things with anything else, much
less anything "better". What it leave us is a 'society' kinda
propped-up on one remaining, crumbling, leg and a big nothing
underneath. When it DOES fall - and the current, long-coming,
debt crisis has a good chance of knocking that final leg out
from under us - well, all-fall-down-go-boom.
The mistake of the 'left' is in thinking they can immediately
exploit the opportunity to grab power. Sorry, but you don't
grab ahold of nothing, a virtual anarchy. There won't be any
"handles" ... removed and never replaced. What WILL fill in
such a gap is what always fills in such gaps - "fascism".
Some strutting authoritarian will promise to make the trains
run on time again and kick the crap out of <fill-in-blank>
and the desperate masses will fall all over themselves to
kiss his ass. Oh yea, they'll shoot all the 'liberals' while
they're at it ....
Quote: And everything wrong in the world is their fault because they are
Americans. And their idea of the right religion is no religion.
You don't belive in those silly religions, now do you ?
Keep a shrine to Woden perhaps ? Tisk ...
You're at least partially right about the "liberal guilt" thing
however. The far 'left' has somehow re-framed the USA as the
worst, most evil, country that every was. In truth we're still
one of the 'best' countries when it comes to freedom, 'justice',
fair play and altruism. Those ultralefties would be appalled if
they had to live elsewhere ... or more likely just put up
against the wall and executed.
But, that's part of the plan ... undermine the old system. Throw
mud on all its heros, everything good its done, its every motive
and means. Make sure we look as bad or worse than Saddam or Osama
or Hitler. Without that sense of pride and accomplishment, national
morale crumbles and takes a lot down with it.
And what NEW heros, deeds, motives, means, accomplishments and
such have they filled-in the gaps with ? Nothing really. The
plan never got that far. Worse than "W"s open-ended Iraq
'strategy', especially since the damage is being done here
at home. |
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:22:42 -0700 (PDT), "theloneranger100@aol.com"
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Quote: On Apr 28, 6:06=EF=BF=BDam, "Whitelightning" <white.lightni...@verizon.net
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"B1ackwater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
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=EF=BF=BD Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
=EF=BF=BD Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
=EF=BF=BD what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
=EF=BF=BD they've got the "right" religion too.
You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. =EF=BF=BDYour daughter =
can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an abortion with out
your permision. =EF=BF=BDYou can't punish them short of saying "Please don=
't do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too. =EF=BF=
=BDThey get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of their own=
making. =EF=BF=BDAnd everything wrong in the world is their fault because =
they are
Americans. =EF=BF=BDAnd their idea of the right religion is no religion.
Whitelightning
And you can pin the Blame for all this squarely on the Little Radical
Spoiled Bastards of the 60's.........The
"BabyBummers"..........Donchaknow.........
Much of it, yes.
However the 'conservative' counter-reaction was often
too extreme - resulting in bad policies AND moral
vindication for lefties claiming the opposition were
all 'fascists'. A lefty strategy of "provoke : wait
for over-reaction : exploit" developed early on - in
the 1950s (much earlier if you count labor-union
strategy).
Indeed, John Adams, of revolutionary fame, was an expert
at provoking an over-reaction - like the "Boston Massacre" -
and then exploiting it to damn the redcoats (whom his
cousin Sam most generously defended in court to prove
how 'just' Americans were compared to Brits).
In any contest between provocateurs and reactionaries,
the provocateurs generally win the apparent moral
highground. As mighty as The System is, its agents
tend to be nervous, indeed paranoid types with little
sense of humor but an overexaggerated senibility when
it comes to keeping their jobs/power/pensions. Step
on their toe and they'll respond with a grenade down
your trousers. Close a door in their face and, well,
remember Waco ...
Politics has always been something of a 'game', but
especially so since the creation of quasi-modern
'democracies' where public perceptions and the art
of persuasion became important. Our "liberals" are
damned GOOD at playing that game ... whereas moderates
and 'conservatives' usually drop the ball or run towards
the wrong goalposts. Doesn't make the left "righter",
but it does translate into POWER above and beyond what
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? Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S.
Govt
? Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
? what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
? they've got the "right" religion too.
You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. ?Your
daughter can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an
abortion with out
your permision. ?You can't punish them short of saying
"Please don't do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse
too. ?They get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality
is of their own
making. ?And everything wrong in the world is their fault
because they are
Americans. ?And their idea of the right religion is no
religion.
Whitelightning
And you can pin the Blame for all this squarely on the Little
Radical
Spoiled Bastards of the 60's.........The
"BabyBummers"..........Donchaknow.........
Also I'm a fucktard, out of meds many times, out of cash too
recently due to high fuel prices so you know why......Doncha? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:34 pm |
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On Apr 28, 10:54 am, Williamknowsbest <William.M...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 26, 12:43 pm, "McCain's Economy is BUSH BullShit's Economy,
they're bodies" <ScreenRanger...@aol.com> wrote:
free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 25, 9:18 pm, Screen Ranger <ScreenRanger...@aol.com
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Yup.......The State of Texas is going to pay BIGTIME for this
one.......Donchaknow.........
"Sweep of polygamists' kids raises legal questions
Apr 25, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - The state of Texas made a damning
accusation
Authorities are investigating whether the calls came from a
woman in
Colorado who has a history of making fake calls, but CPS
officials and
legal experts say the outcome of that investigation will
likely have
little bearing on the custody case, given that authorities
went to the
ranch believing the calls were legitimate and then found
possible
evidence of abuse. ""
I had mixed feeling about the Waco group, because of their
firing
rifles etc. But this invasion by the law is pretty sick shit.
There
were many more ways to approach these people than the horseshit
of
taking kids away from their mom's.. There is so much insanity
here
by just waving a flag that these folks being different and
the
government barging in to arrest folks. If some of these
assholes
where honest about their grandparents , great grandparents it
was
more normal to get married at 13 or 16 than not. The news
shows love
all this sexual content. It was not an orgy, folks don't have
sex all
day long, they had chores to do and make a living. I think if
these
folks get some good lawyers , some heads will roll.
The Wrong-doing is already in the blood of American Authorities,
this is a Cancer, not Only US doing to herself, she rampages in
other countries as well, you will have feel sympathetic for
foreigners if you see something like this.......It's the same
shit under the hood of Protecting of Something of BS... Parents
and Children by nature love eacher, who would allow their
children to be abused?- Hide quoted text -
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The most interesting part of the article was that the Texas officials
admitted the call that started the whole thing off may have been a
crank call, but they defended themselves anyway! sheez.
I think if it is true that hiring a few good lawyers will cause some
heads to roll in Texas as well as the media, that will send a message
to many fringe groups to take all the money you spend on weapons, and
hire a damned good lawyer with it - the pen is mightier than the
sword.
Every fringe groups around will have their own Oscar Zeta Acosta on
staff to defend their weird ways. Though Hunter Thompsom did have
his firearms too.
This time your bipolar medication is working like a charm. I fully
support the notions that such fringe or sleeper-cell faith-based
groups need to have a darn good PR staff, instead of explosive
investments and intentions of using those weapons, unless getting
provoked beyond the point of no return.
Not that I agree with their unusual faith-based life style, though I
bet Texas is going to lose most of this one, as well as they may have
created our first American version of a Mormon sleeper-cell.
.. - Brad Guth |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:56 pm |
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"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
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any time it swings to the extremes be it far left or far right its bad
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:27 pm |
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On Apr 28, 1:28�pm, b...@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:22:42 -0700 (PDT), "theloneranger...@aol.com"
theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:06=EF=BF=BDam, "Whitelightning" <white.lightni...@verizon.net
wrote:
"B1ackwater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
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=EF=BF=BD Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S. Govt
=EF=BF=BD Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
=EF=BF=BD what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
=EF=BF=BD they've got the "right" religion too.
You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. =EF=BF=BDYour daughter > >can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an abortion with out
your permision. =EF=BF=BDYou can't punish them short of saying "Please don> >'t do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse too. =EF=BF> >=BDThey get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality is of their own
making. =EF=BF=BDAnd everything wrong in the world is their fault because > >they are
Americans. =EF=BF=BDAnd their idea of the right religion is no religion.
Whitelightning
And you can pin the Blame for all this squarely on the Little Radical
Spoiled Bastards of the 60's.........The
"BabyBummers"..........Donchaknow.........
� �Much of it, yes.
� �However the 'conservative' counter-reaction was often
� �too extreme - resulting in bad policies AND moral
� �vindication for lefties claiming the opposition were
� �all 'fascists'. A lefty strategy of "provoke : wait
� �for over-reaction : exploit" developed early on - in
� �the 1950s (much earlier if you count labor-union
� �strategy).
� �Indeed, John Adams, of revolutionary fame, was an expert
� �at provoking an over-reaction - like the "Boston Massacre" -
� �and then exploiting it to damn the redcoats (whom his
� �cousin Sam most generously defended in court to prove
� �how 'just' Americans were compared to Brits).
� �In any contest between provocateurs and reactionaries,
� �the provocateurs generally win the apparent moral
� �highground. As mighty as The System is, its agents
� �tend to be nervous, indeed paranoid types with little
� �sense of humor but an overexaggerated senibility when
� �it comes to keeping their jobs/power/pensions. Step
� �on their toe and they'll respond with a grenade down
� �your trousers. Close a door in their face and, well,
� �remember Waco ...
� �Politics has always been something of a 'game', but
� �especially so since the creation of quasi-modern
� �'democracies' where public perceptions and the art
� �of persuasion became important. Our "liberals" are
� �damned GOOD at playing that game ... whereas moderates
� �and 'conservatives' usually drop the ball or run towards
� �the wrong goalposts. Doesn't make the left "righter",
� �but it does translate into POWER above and beyond what
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Maybe someday America will Wake Up to what the Leftist Pukes are doing
to this Country...........But I'm not holding my
breath...........Donchaknow........... |
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On Apr 28, 3:53�pm, "theloneranger...@aol.com"
<theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote: theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 28, 6:06?am, "Whitelightning"
white.lightni...@verizon.net
wrote:
"B1ackwater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
news:4815bd0c.4992593@news.east.earthlink.net...
? Everybody will soon discover that their kids are U.S.
Govt
? Property - heart, minds and 'souls'. The Govt can decide
? what they should say, what they should think, and ensure
? they've got the "right" religion too.
You're a bit late Blacky, they already think that. ?Your
daughter can have
birth control with out your knowing it, she can have an
abortion with out
your permision. ?You can't punish them short of saying
"Please don't do that
again", and dont say that to often cause that would be abuse
too. ?They get
taught that every deviant behavior is normal, and morality
is of their own
making. ?And everything wrong in the world is their fault
because they are
Americans. ?And their idea of the right religion is no
religion.
Whitelightning
And you can pin the Blame for all this squarely on the Little
Radical
Spoiled Bastards of the 60's.........The
"BabyBummers"..........Donchaknow.........
Also I'm a fucktard, out of meds many times, out of cash too
recently due to high fuel prices so you know why......Doncha?- Hide quoted text -
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Perhaps you ought to just go and Commit Suicide, you Poor Dumb
Bastard............ |
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