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Mark
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:13 pm
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I've searched all over the internet, and haven't been able to find an
answer to this question, so I'm hoping that someone here may be able
to. My question is this:

How would mixing lava rocks with coal affect such things as the
combustion rate, efficiency, etc. (as compared to just coal)?

I can make a few guesses, but I'm hoping someone here will be able to
answer with more confidence than my guesses.

Thanks!
Mark
Guest
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:08 pm
On Apr 23, 9:13 pm, Mark <drewm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I've searched all over the internet, and haven't been able to find an
answer to this question, so I'm hoping that someone here may be able
to.  My question is this:

How would mixing lava rocks with coal affect such things as the
combustion rate, efficiency, etc. (as compared to just coal)?

I can make a few guesses, but I'm hoping someone here will be able to
answer with more confidence than my guesses.

Thanks!
Mark

Why don't you try it and find out. My guess is that it would help by
enabling better air flow around the coal lumps, might hurt by diluting
the heat. Try different mix ratios, lump sizes, and hearth
configurations, with or without forced air. Also, both coal varieties
and lava stone vary widely, so it may be hard to generalize. Let us
know what you find out.-Jitney
Damon Hill
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:11 am
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Mark <drewmark@gmail.com> wrote in news:ab2bc0b3-2272-4b1a-9621-
4904dce2f955@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

Quote:
I've searched all over the internet, and haven't been able to find an
answer to this question, so I'm hoping that someone here may be able
to. My question is this:

How would mixing lava rocks with coal affect such things as the
combustion rate, efficiency, etc. (as compared to just coal)?

I can make a few guesses, but I'm hoping someone here will be able to
answer with more confidence than my guesses.

You trying to make a fluidized bed combustor?

--Damon
Mark
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:18 pm
Guest
Thanks, Jitney and Damon for your responses! No, I'm not trying to
build a fluidized bed combustor. And I would try this out myself, but
I'm not the person doing this stuff. I have a friend in Cameroon who
is building and selling "coal cookers" that use an electric motor to
blow air over the coals. These cookers are pretty small, but they
have two burners on top and a little oven beneath. Anyway, I'm
helping to finance his business--don't worry, I'm not the victim of a
scam--and he was just telling me that he's started putting lava rocks
in with the coals.

I asked him about this, and he said "The volcanic rock plays a major
[part in this product,the rock is added on the coal,reducing the
amount of coal to be used,when the coal is ignited,the heat from the
coal is transmitted to the rock,the rock becomes very hot and does not
produce ashes or smoke. The size of the rock remains same after
cooking and retains heat for over forty minutes after switched off.
This is the first time in Cameroon that a form of energy is gotten
from solid matter,we are familiar with gas and electrical energy in
our country.I am looking forth a many other things that this energy
will be useful."

His comments almost make me think that he thinks he's getting
additional energy from the lava rocks, but that's certainly not the
case. I've asked him to elaborate on the benefit the lava rocks are
providing, but haven't heard back from him yet. Anyway, I was just
trying to do a little independent research to either confirm what he
says or to help him better understand the benefit from a scientific
perspective (assuming there is a benefit). I have also encouraged him
to try making a few simple measurements to help quantify the effects
of the lava rocks.

--Mark
Guest
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:46 am
On Apr 25, 7:18 pm, Mark <drewm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Thanks, Jitney and Damon for your responses!  No, I'm not trying to
build a fluidized bed combustor.  And I would try this out myself, but
I'm not the person doing this stuff.  I have a friend in Cameroon who
is building and selling "coal cookers" that use an electric motor to
blow air over the coals.  These cookers are pretty small, but they
have two burners on top and a little oven beneath.  Anyway, I'm
helping to finance his business--don't worry, I'm not the victim of a
scam--and he was just telling me that he's started putting lava rocks
in with the coals.

I asked him about this, and he said "The volcanic rock plays a major
[part in this product,the rock is added on the coal,reducing the
amount of coal to be used,when the coal is ignited,the heat from the
coal is transmitted to the rock,the rock becomes very hot and does not
produce ashes or smoke. The size of the rock  remains same after
cooking and retains heat for over forty minutes after switched off.
This is the first time in Cameroon that a form of energy is gotten
from solid matter,we are familiar with gas and electrical energy in
our country.I am looking forth a many other things that this energy
will be useful."

His comments almost make me think that he thinks he's getting
additional energy from the lava rocks, but that's certainly not the
case.  I've asked him to elaborate on the benefit the lava rocks are
providing, but haven't heard back from him yet.  Anyway, I was just
trying to do a little independent research to either confirm what he
says or to help him better understand the benefit from a scientific
perspective (assuming there is a benefit).  I have also encouraged him
to try making a few simple measurements to help quantify the effects
of the lava rocks.

--Mark

Since you're financing him, consider a couple of hundred extra for one
of those high temp pointable infrared heat indicators, and have him
document the temperature peaks and curves over time. The rock is
acting as a moderator, lowering the peak combustion temperature but
extending the life of the heat over time. Moderators reduce absolute
efficiency but may make the process more useful in particular cases.
It may be that the peak of his straight coal combustion is higher than
is really useful for his application so it pays to accept a lower peak
in exchange for a longer lasting heat mass. That, combined with the
greater air flow around the fuel, may make his process work well.
There is certainly an optimal mix/configuration, to be determined from
experimentation. He doesn't sound like the engineering type, so have
him collect as much data as possible and take it to a combustion
engineer to look it over and recommend a process configuration.-Jitney
 
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