Comments, additions and corrections are welcome.

William Elliot wrote:

Comments, additions and corrections are welcome.

The string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" is a signature delimiter.

It appears before the paragraph "Google groups is the source [...]"
which causes Mozilla-based clients to display the rest of the text in
light gray, which is hard to read.

In article <47fe0c10$0$15298$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
Noob <root@localhost> wrote:

William Elliot wrote:

Comments, additions and corrections are welcome.

The string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" is a signature delimiter.

It appears before the paragraph "Google groups is the source [...]"
which causes Mozilla-based clients to display the rest of the text in
light gray, which is hard to read.

Why is it always specified so?
Oughtn't it be the following?

"NEWLINE DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE"

William Elliot wrote:

Comments, additions and corrections are welcome.

The string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" is a signature delimiter.

It appears before the paragraph "Google groups is the source [...]"
which causes Mozilla-based clients to display the rest of the text in
light gray, which is hard to read.

Same answer, block all posts from Google groups.

Noob wrote:

William Elliot wrote:

Comments, additions and corrections are welcome.

The string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" is a signature delimiter.

It appears before the paragraph "Google groups is the source [...]"
which causes Mozilla-based clients to display the rest of the text in
light gray, which is hard to read.

Same answer, block all posts from Google groups.

William Elliot wrote:
Noob wrote:
William Elliot wrote:
....
The string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" is a signature delimiter.

It appears before the paragraph "Google groups is the source [...]"
which causes Mozilla-based clients to display the rest of the text in
light gray, which is hard to read.
....
I was merely suggesting, as an improvement to your post, that you change
the string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" to, say, "DASH DASH NEWLINE" (which
is visually similar).

Refer to section 4.3 of RFC 2646 or RFC 3676, Usenet Signature
Convention, where it shows "-- " as the separator line between
the body and the signature of a message.

William Elliot wrote:

Noob wrote:

William Elliot wrote:

Comments, additions and corrections are welcome.

The string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" is a signature delimiter.

It appears before the paragraph "Google groups is the source [...]"
which causes Mozilla-based clients to display the rest of the text in
light gray, which is hard to read.

Same answer, block all posts from Google groups.

Err... What?

I was merely suggesting, as an improvement to your post, that
you change the string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" to, say,
"DASH DASH NEWLINE" (which is visually similar).

I think we agree that Google are not following their
"do no evil" motto.

.

Comments, additions and corrections are welcome.

NNTP news servers
Most ISP include a news server with the account
http://www.teranews.com (one time $3.95 set up cost, worth it)

News Readers
SeaMonkey
Forte Agent (excellent, inexpensive)
Thunderbird (in developement)
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird
Gnus (for emacs)
for Mac Users: MT-Newswatcher, hogwash, thoth (not supported)

News souces, web and otherwise and references to news sites
http://www.readfreenews.net
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_news_clients
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers
http://www.alt.free.newsservers.net
http://freenews.maxbaud.net

NewsProxy (proxy news source, may be complicated)
http://bearware.info/NewsProxy/newsproxy.html

commercial news servers
Giganews http://www.giganews.com ($8/month, worth it)
Supernews http://www.supernews.com
Newsfeeds http://www.newsfeeds.com
Usenetserve http://www.usenetserver.com
Easynews http://www.easynews.com
Altopia https://www.altopia.com
Newsguy https://www.newsguy.com

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Noob wrote:

William Elliot wrote:

Comments, additions and corrections are welcome.
The string "DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE" is a signature delimiter.

It appears before the paragraph "Google groups is the source [...]"
which causes Mozilla-based clients to display the rest of the text in
light gray, which is hard to read.

Same answer, block all posts from Google groups.
Post notice once a week that more are more people are joining
the Google groups boycott and some suggestions how to avoid
the boycott by using a different news server.

I hate color for text and have set my system
to black and white text. I also try to rid my self
of attributes which is only needed for the cursor.

In other words, all this wonderfully unneeded extra capacity, doesn't make
our lives easier, it makes our lives more annoying. Remember the good old
days before automation and you didn't have to put up with voice activated
menus, the first lousy application of AI, Artificial Idiocy?

offer
opportunity for readers to request that they individually not be blocked.
What I have upon the say so of others is.

Pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com
jankrihau@hotmail.com
Derek Holt <mareg@warwick.ac.uk
israel@math.ubc.ca
Randy Poe <poespam-trap@yahoo.com

If you find others, let me know.

Thanks for that, particularly the bearware link, which I hadn't
seen before. I'm on the point of installing newsproxy to filter out
googlegroup posts. I take it exemptions are compatible with a blanket
googlegroups exclusion. Assuming that, I was wondering if anybody would
volunteer a list of genuine regular posters to sci.math using google
groups. It probably seems like asking someone to do my work for me, but as
more of an occasional than thorough reader it would probably take me some
time to do.

Other than playing the game of ever changing key spam words, like 'nude',

There's a newsgroup for discussing Usenet abuse:
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet > .

Its charter can be found here:
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanau.html > .

I recently read about the Usenet Death Penalty (or UDP) in the Wikipedia
article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > .

In January 2000, ISP @Home got a UDP notice:

http://groups.google.com.au/group/news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins/msg/b9e534da452e7bc5
.

Actually, before the UDP came into effect, @Home asked for an extension
and cracked down on spammers. The planned UDP sanction was soon lifted.

Time Google Groups get's a UDP.

Me: David R Tribble, david@tribble.com,
usually posting via Google groups, and probably will be
for quite a while.

Ok, I've added you to the list.