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By LIN LIANGTAI
Of Taipei, Taiwan

An updated evaluation on a “Carboniferous human calvarium fossil”

Last update: April 25, 2008 (fifth edition)

http://www.edconrad.com/pics/OldestHumanSkull.JPG
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Summary

The author has examined through microscopes more than 30 thin sections
cut from “rocks” that Mr. Ed Conrad discovered and sent to the
author.
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Without exception, they are all found to be fossils, including the
subject “calvarium fossil”. The object is a Carboniferous a human
calvarium fossil for the following reasons:
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(1) its computed-tomography images bear close resemlance to a
calvarium;
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(2) it contains fossilized osteocytes, Haversian canals, osteons, red
blood cells and various blood vessels in the specimens and thin
sections ;
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(3) it contains remains of neurons and glial cells that are found only
in the central nervous system;
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(4) No other animal has an organ or body part that matches its inner/
outer shape and size;
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(5) Its inner cavity has a capacity of at least 1,025 cc.;
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(6) It was found between coal veins near Mahanoy, Pennsylvania, where
geological structure has been dated to be around 300 million years
old. Some of the fossil’s blood vessels have turned into coal,
suggesting it once existed in a coal region. In addition to the
subject fossil, there are at least two other pieces of evidence for
human existence in the Carboniferous age.
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Introduction

A “calvarium fossil” (Fig. 1, Video 1, Video 2, Video 3, Video 4),
discovered and owned by Mr. Ed Conrad of Shenandoah, Pennsylvania,
U.S.A., has been considered for over 25 years to be just a rock, while
its owner keeps maintaining that it is a Carboniferous human calvarium
fossil. This article attempts to evaluate the object by answering the
following questions in this article’s Discussion section:
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1. Is it a fossil?
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2. Is it a calvarium fossil?
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3. Is it a human calvarium fossil?
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4 Is it a Carboniferous human calvarium fossil?
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5. Are there evidences for human civilization in the Carboniferous
age?
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6.Was there high-technology civilization in the Carboniferous age?
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7. Further discussion/Attempts to disprove myself
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7-1 Couldn’t it be a rock?
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7-2 Couldn’t it be something other than a calvarium?
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7-3 Couldn’t it be a non-human calvarium?
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7-4 Couldn’t it be later than the Carboniferous age?
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A calvarium is a skull without the lower jaw/the facial parts, whereas
a cranium refers to skull bones that enclose the brain (Ref. 1). A
calvarium could contain degraded brain remains.
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Material and methods

Material A-1:
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On the author’s request, the owner of the “fossil” cut a small
specimen from the object, took pictures of the spot where the specimen
was cut, and sent the specimen to the author by post.
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The specimen arrived in the following conditions:
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1. A chunk of “fossil” about 1.5 cm long, 1 cm wide, and 0.5 cm
thick.
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2. Three small fragments that crumbled out of the above chunk when
the author took up the chunk to look at it for the first time. The
three fragments measure about 0.5 cm x 0.5 cm x 0.2 cm each.
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3. Dozens of small grains, each measuring less than 0.2 cm in any
dimension.
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Above three kinds of specimens were taken to the geology department of
National Taiwan University. They were made into three thin sections
(Thin Section 1, 2 and 3 respectively) in the following methods, which
ivolved no artificial staining of colors:
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1. Thin section 1 (Fig. 4): Specimen 1 was cut for transverse and
longitudinal sections, which were then ground and mounted onto a glass
slide, namely thin section 1. One third of Specimen 1 was left from
the process of making the thin section (Fig. 5, Specimen 1 remnant).
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2. Thin section 2 (Fig. 6): Fragments of Specimen 2 were cut, ground
and mounted onto a glass slide.
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3. Thin section 3 (Fig. 7) : Small grains of Specimen 3 were placed
in
a mold, glued firmly together, ground to a thickness of about 0.03
mm,
and then mounted onto a glass slide, namely thin section 3. This thin
section was not totally covered with glass, but was coated with a
thin
layer of wax on its top side.
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Specimens 1, 2, 3, and thin sections 1, 2, 3 were viewed through a
stereo-microscope, a digital microscope (ref. 11), and a reflected-
light microscope. The remnant from specimen 1 and thin section 3 were
also scanned by a scanning electronic mircoscope (Hitachi model
S-3400N).
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The scanning electronic microscope also analysed the remnant’s
chemical composition in a tiny spot (Fig. 8, EDS report). Besides the
digital microscope, a camera (Canon model EOS 350D) was used to
capture images from the stereo-microscope and the reflected-light
microscope.
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Material A-2:


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On March 17, 2008, Mr. Ed Conrad cut another specimen from the object
and sent it to the author. This specimen measured roughly 5.5 cm X 4
m
X 3 cm. This specimen’s location on the “calvarium fossil” is
visible in Video 1.
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This specimen, named SK2 (Fig. 2) by Mr. Conrad, was taken to the
geology department of National Taiwan University, where it was cut in
three different directions. Three thin sections were then obtained
and
named here as SK2-1, SK2-2, SK2-3 (Fig. 3).
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The specimen and its three thin sections were viewed with various
microscopes, such as stereomicroscope, transmitted-light microscope,
digital microscope, and Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM). Their
images were captured with the digital microscope, SEM, and Canon
camera Model EOS 350D.
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Material B: the “calvarium fossil”


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On March 28, 2008, the author had the “calvarium fossil” scanned by
the CT system of Alberta Research Council in Canada. The resulting
computed-tomography videos are listed in Result A.
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The author had also asked the owner of the “fossil” to measure the
object and got the following data:
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Outer dimensions of the object: 22.8 cm (maximum length) by 17.8 cm
(maximum width) by 13.3 cm (maximum height)
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< The owner advised the author that on the top side of the
object, there seems to be a 6-mm-thick coating of foreign substance.
To be on the safe side, the author subtracts twice that thickness—6mm
x 2—from the above outer length , outer width, and subtracts 6 mm
from
its exterior maximum height. Hence, the following figures are
obtained
and used for calculating its cranial capacity:
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Outer dimensions: 21.6 cm (Length) by 16.6 cm (Width) by 12.7 cm
(Height)
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Inner cavity dimensions: 15.9 cm (maximum length) by 10.8 cm (maximum
width) by 11.4 cm (maximum depth/height), as measured by its owner.
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Based on the above data, the author calculated the cranial capacity
of
the object as follows:
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1. Lee Pearson Formula, given by Williams et al (1995) and
Manjunath (2002b) (ref. 2).
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For males: 0.000337 x (L-11) x (W-11) x (H-11) + 406.01
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This formula uses outer dimensions, and those dimensions are
expressed
in millimeters in this formula. So, the following calculation is
done:
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0.000337 x (216-11) x (166-11) x (127-11) + 406.01=1,648 cc
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For females:
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0.0004 x (L-11) x (W-11) x (H-11) + 206.60
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< Hence, the following calculation is done:
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< 0.0004 x (216-11) x (166-11) x (127-11) + 206.60 =1,681 cc
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< Mean cranial capacity: (1648+1681) divided by 2 makes 1,665 cc.
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As the gender of the “cranium” is unknown, only the mean figure is
considered here for convenience.
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2. Spheroid Formula, given by Manjunath (2002b, ref. 3)
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0.5238 x length x width x height(depth)= cranial capacity
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Above length, width, and depth are measurements of the cranial cavity
and expressed in centimeter.
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Hence the calculation 0.5238x15.9x10.8x11.4=1,025 cc.
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Results

A. Animated Computed Tomography images in all three planes
(horizontal, coronal, and sagittal planes) of the whole object are
contained mainly in the following videos: Video 1, Video 2, Video 3,
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< Video 4.
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B. The EDS report (Fig. 8, Energy Disperse Spectrum report), done by
the scanning electronic microscope, reveals that the object consists
of oxygen (46% by atom number), carbon (30%), silica (14%), and small
quantities of Fe, Na, Mg, and Al.
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C. SEM images of Specimen 1 remnant and thin section 3 reveals
numerous remains of bone cells (osteocytes, Fig. 1-0), blood vessels
and red blood cells ( Fig. 9-1, Fig. 9-2, Fig. 9-3, Fig. 9-4, Fig.
9-5, Fig. 9-6, Fig. 9-7, Fig. 9-Cool.
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D. Various images of the object also show (1) branching blood vessel
remains (Fig. 1-0-0), Haversian canals and osteons (Fig. 1-1, Fig.
1-2, Fig. 1-3, Fig. 1-4, Fig. 1-5); (2) degraded remains of Golgi
neuron , neuroglial cells and nerve fibers (Fig. 10-1, Fig. 10-2,
Fig.
10-3, Fig. 10-4, Fig. 10-5, Fig. 10-6, Fig. 10-7, Fig. 10-8, Fig.
10-9); (3) blood vessel’s transverse section remains (Fig. 11-1, Fig.
11-2, Fig. 11-3, Fig. 11-4, Fig. 11-5); (4) various fossilized
tissues
(Fig. 12-1 to Fig. 12-6).
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E. Specimen 1 is found to have at least three black areas. One such
black area shows brilliant black vitreous luster under naked eyes and
microscopes (Fig. 5). SEM and light microscopic pictures reveal that
the shiny black area contains carbonized blood vessels and
erythrocytes (figures 9-4 to 9-Cool.
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F. The estimated cranial capacity of the “calvarium” ranges from
1,025
cc to 1,665 cc as calculated in the preceding paragraph.
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Discussion:


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1. Is it a fossil?
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Yes. Its computed-tomography images (Video 4) don’t look like any
rock. No rocks or plants contain all at the same time the remains of
bone cells, red blood cells, brain cells, Haversian canals, osteons
and blood vessels mentioned in Results C and D. They are found in
randomly-chosen, freshly-cut thin sections, not from re-worked/
contaminated tissues. Their colors are not artificially stained.
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2. Is it a calvarium fossil?
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Yes. Its computed-tomography images bear close resemblance to a
calvarium fossil on the organ level (Video 4). On the cell level, it
contains remains of osteocytes, neurons, and glial cells as listed in
Results C and D. Those remains point to a calvarium fossil that once
contained brain tissue. No other animal organs or body parts have
inner/outer sizes and shapes similar to this fossil’s shapes and
sizes
(Fig. 1).
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3. Is it a human calvarium fossil?
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Yes. Its cranial capacity of at least 1,025 cc is surpassed only by
cetaceans, walrus, elephants, and/or dinosaurs (ref. 4). However,
those four kinds of animal have no crania/organs that match the
subject fossil in cranial shape and size. As each order of animal has
a different shaped skull (ref. 5), the subject calvarium fossil can
be
identified as a human calvarium fossil by forensic experts on human
skulls.
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One such expert is Mr. Wilton Krogman (considered one of the world's
foremost human anatomists and author of the book, "The Human Skeleton
in Forensic Medicine."
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Krogman had physically examined the calvarium fossil. His broad smile
in the photo (Fig. 1) says that he confirmed it was a human calvarium
fossil.
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The calvarium fossil matches humans’ cranial size, cranial capacity
and cranial shape in the following ways:
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3-1 Cranial size (outer dimensions):
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< Neanderthal: 24.1cm (length) x 14.6 cm (width) x
17.8 cm (height) (ref. 6)
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< Subject fossil: 21.6 cm (length) x 16.6 cm
(width)
x 12.7 cm (height)
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< 3-2 Cranial capacity:
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< Neanderthal: 1,750 cc (ref. 7)
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< Modern Human: 1,350-1,400 cc (ref. Cool
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< Java man: 940 cc (Homo Erectus, Trinil 2, Pithecanthropus
I, ref. 9)
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< Subject fossil: at least 1,025 cc (by Spheroid Formula)
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By the Lee Pearson Formula, the subject fossil has a cranial capacity
of 1,665 cc. The vast difference between 1,665 cc and 1,025 cc may be
due to the following factors:
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A. The Lee Pearson Formula uses the object’s outer dimensions, while
the Spheroid Formula uses its inner dimensions. In this case, the
object’s inner width is only 60% of its outer width, possibly because
the fossil retains brain remains on a side of the inner cavity (See
the bottom view of the fossil in Fig. 1). As a result, the Lee
Pearson
Formula produces the result of 1,665 c.c. while the Spheroid Formula
produces the result of only 1,025 c.c;
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B. The calvarium was broken in the facial part;
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C. It has thick skull bones;
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D. It could possibly have a 6-mm-thick coating of foreign substances
on its exterior;
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3-3 Cranial shape:


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< Human: well-rounded cranium (ref. 10)
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< Java man: flat, very thick cranium (Homo Erectus, Trinil
2,
Pithecanthropus I) (Fig. 3-1 & ref. 9)
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< Subject fossil: More rounded than the above Java man (Fig.
1 vs. Fig. 3-1)
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< The above analysis shows the subject fossil matches human skull
aps in cranial size, capacity, and shape.
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4. Is it a Carboniferous human calvarium fossil?
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My judgment says yes. For over 27 years, its owner has attested many
times that all his fossils were found between coal veins near
Shenandoah/ Mahanoy (City), Pennsylvania. That is in the anthracite
region, the only one in the U.S. proper. It’s in a most-studied
geological
area of the Carboniferous age.
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That is to say animal fossils found there should have lived there in
the Carboniferous age.
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The owner’s attestation is mirrored in Specimen 1 remnant. Under
naked
eyes and transmitted-light microscopes, the specimen looks black and
shiny in some areas (Fig. 5). Under SEM and a digital microscope
(ref.
11), the shiny black area of Specimen 1 revealed its blood vessels
that have carbonized into coal (Fig. 9-5).
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The shiny black color is a sign of vitrain—a thin, bright, horizontal
band in bituminous coal that usually breaks with a conchoidal
fracture. The fossil’s black and shiny look suggests its origin in a
coal region.
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Its owner has two other fossils that are also coalified. One such
fossil is a coalified adze handle (Fig. 14). Another is a fossilized
small toe complete with skin tissue, finger nail, ligaments, and the
middle phalanx (Fig. 15-1, Fig. 15-2, Fig. 15-3, Fig. 15-4, Fig.
15-5). The toe shows signs of carbonization on the toe tip’s bottom
side
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(Fig. 16).Before Mr. Conrad found the subject calvarium fossil, he
had
discovered many “fossils” at the same place. Why would he discover
the
subject fossil anywhere else when many more of such “fossils” are
still exposed out there, outcropping from the big boulders in the
region (Fig. 17-1, Fig. 17-2) ?
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Mr. Conrad’s fossils include unimaginable fossilized organs such as
human liver, human finger, human long bone, mammalian limbs, etc.
(Fig. 18-1, Fig. 15-1, Fig. 18-2, Fig. 18-3, Fig. 18-4, Fig. 18-5).
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This fossil brings up many questions to current theories about human
origins. If we avoid them, we are only fooling ourselves. If we face
them, they will bring us new horizon and new direction for human
civilization.
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5. Are there other evidences for human existence in the
Carboniferous age?
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Certainly. They are all shown in my albums (Fig. 2-1).
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Two other pieces of evidence for human existence in the Carboniferous
age include: (1) A human cerebral hemisphere fossil (Video 5, Video
6)
and (2) A human toe fossil (Fig. 15-1, Video 7, Video Cool.
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6. Was there high-tech civilization in the Carboniferous age?
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Modern humans took no more than 8,000 years to develop from low-tech
society to high-tech society. I have written about my source and
similar subjects in the talk. origins newsgroup.
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7. Further Discussion/Attempts to disprove myself
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< Couldn’t it be a rock?
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Its CT images don’t resemble any rock.
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Besides my pictures, there are pictures by Mr. Andrew MacRae, Mr. PZ
Myer and Mr. Ed Conrad on the internet. Their pictures “also” show
Haversian canals and osteons, which are distinguishing features of
fossil bone micro-structures (Fig. 20-4, Fig. 20-5, Fig. 20-6).
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Few rocks have a shape and size that fully matches human skull
interior and exterior.<
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To put it simply, there has never been a rock that resembles a human
skull cap from the organ level ( showing cranial cavity), through the
tissue level ( showing Haversian canals, osteons, branching blood
vessels), down to the cell level (showing remains of bone cells, red
blood cells, neuroglial cells and neurons).
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More than twenty of Mr. Conrad’s “rocks” (Fig. 2-1) contain remains
of
red blood cells. Making no exception, the subject fossil contains all
the above-mentioned features in natural condition/position. Most of
them are found where they should be.
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I have cut more than 30 thin sections from the “rocks” and taken more
than one thousand microscopic pictures of the twenty fossils the
owner
has sent me.
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Most of the jagged minerals found in the fossils are found trapped in
degraded organic tissues such as blood vessels. These degraded blood
vessels could not have gone into rocks/minerals, begun the
fossilization process there and still remained jointed in natural
posture.
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The minerals were not found in a continuous formation, but the
organic
tissues/organs were found in a continuous formation, retaining their
original outer shapes (of small toe, calvarium, handle, liver, etc.)
and cell structures.
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Plant fossils are characterized by regular radial wood structures
(year rings, rays, tracheids, etc.) in their transverse sections.
Animal fossils are very complex in transverse section.
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The subject fossil shows complexity and its cell remains are too
large
to be fungi or bacteria. There is simply not a rock that contains
numerous look-alikes of osteocytes, osteons, Haversian canals, red
Blood cells, blood vessels, nerve cells and match the human skull
caps
in size and shape, all at the same time.
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Couldn’t it be something other than a calvarium?
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Large calvarium is a very different organ from all other animal
organs. Video 4 contains images resembling a calvarium’s temporal
line
and cranial sutures.

The subject fossil has a deep, wide inner cavity that roughly
matches the fossil’s outer shape and size. Its large size and
distinct
shape cannot be found in any organs or body parts other than skulls.
It contains degraded Golgi brain cells, which are not found in any
organ except in brains. Only skulls contain brain cells.
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The degraded parts of brain cells could only have come from a skull.
It is unlikely for many bone cells, brain cells, and blood vessels to
leave a skull, get into another skull, and get preserved there in
continuous formation.
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7-3
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Couldn’t it be a non-human calvarium?
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All crania have different, distinctive shapes among different orders
of animal (ref. 5). The author has compared the fossil with various
animal skulls and found only human skulls matched the fossil.
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The No. 1 distinction of human skulls lies in their large cranial
capacity. No other animal has a skull that remotely matches human
skulls in their cranial capacity, shape and size.
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7-4
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Couldn’t it be later than the Carboniferous age?
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I cannot believe that Mr. Conrad found his fossils in a foreign
country or even in another state when hundreds of such fossils had
been found there and many more were still outcropping there. Why
would
he lie about their place of origin when he cared most about the
"rocks’” being recognized as fossils? When his rocks have been
demonstrated to be fossils, that means he was right all along,
including the fossils’ place of origin.
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Even if it were not from the Carboniferous age, it would still be the
oldest human skull cap in the world, as its blood vessels in the
brain
have carbonized into shiny bituminous coal/anthracite (Fig. 5).
Bituminous coal found east of the Rocky Mountain in the U.S.A. is at
least ten million years old. No other human skull cap has ever been
found to be so old in the whole world.
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Conclusion:


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The author has examined through microscopes more than 30 thin
sections
cut from “rocks” that Mr. Ed Conrad discovered and sent to the
author.
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Without exception, they are all found to be fossils, including the
subject “calvarium fossil”. The object is a Carboniferous human
calvarium fossil for the following reasons:
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(1) its CT images bear close resemlance to a calvarium;
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(2) it contains fossilized osteocytes, Haversian canals, osteons, red
blood cells and various blood vessels in the specimens and thin
sections ;
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(3) it contains remains of neurons and glial cells that are found
only in the central nervous system;
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(4) No other animal has an organ or body part that matches its inner/
outer shape and size;
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(5) Its inner cavity has a capacity of at least 1,025 cc.;
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(6) It was found between coal veins near Mahanoy (City),
Pennsylvania,
where geological structure has been dated to be around 300 million
years old. Some of the fossil’s blood vessels have turned into coal,
suggesting it once existed in a coal region. In addition to the
subject fossil, there are at least two other pieces of evidence for
human existence in the Carboniferous age.
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References:

Ref. 1: Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull
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Ref. 2: “Estimation of Cranial Volume in Dissecting Room Cadavers” by
K.Y. Manjunath, J. Anat. Soc. India 51(2) pp.168-172 (2002)
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Ref. 3: Same as ref. 2.
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Ref. 4: Brain Facts and Figures in an article at URL:
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< http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/facts.html
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Ref. 5: On-line article at URL: http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/bex/31..pdf
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< (Page 4 of a teaching plan for grade three of primary
schools)
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Ref. 6: On-line material at URL: http://www.boneclones.com/BH-019.htm
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Ref. 7: Neanderthal physical traits in a Wikipedia article at URL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal (See anatomy section)
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Ref. 8: Same as ref. 4.
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Ref. 9: On-line article at URL: www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/java.html
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Ref. 10: Same as ref. 9.
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Ref. 11: Digital microscope—Dino-Lite AM-313T5 made by AnMo
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trog69
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:47 pm
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On Apr 28, 12:25 pm, blues...@hotmail.com wrote:
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By LIN LIANGTAI
Of Taipei, Taiwan

An updated evaluation on a “Carboniferous human calvarium fossil”

Last update: April 25, 2008 (fifth edition)

http://www.edconrad.com/pics/OldestHumanSkull.JPG
Summary


The author has examined through microscopes more than 30 thin sections
cut from “rocks” that Mr. Ed Conrad discovered and sent to the
author.

Without exception, they are all found to be fossils, including the
subject “calvarium fossil”. The object is a Carboniferous a human
calvarium fossil for the following reasons:

(1) its computed-tomography images bear close resemlance to a
calvarium;

(2) it contains fossilized osteocytes, Haversian canals, osteons, red
blood cells and various blood vessels in the specimens and thin
sections ;

(3) it contains remains of neurons and glial cells that are found only
in the central nervous system;

(4) No other animal has an organ or body part that matches its inner/
outer shape and size;

(5) Its inner cavity has a capacity of at least 1,025 cc.;

(6) It was found between coal veins near Mahanoy, Pennsylvania, where
geological structure has been dated to be around 300 million years
old. Some of the fossil’s blood vessels have turned into coal,
suggesting it once existed in a coal region. In addition to the
subject fossil, there are at least two other pieces of evidence for
human existence in the Carboniferous age.

====================================
ED CONRAD PROVEN RIGHT> http://www.edconrad.com

First-Ever Update of Ed Conrad's Web page


====================================> <> Introduction


A “calvarium fossil” (Fig. 1, Video 1, Video 2, Video 3, Video 4),
discovered and owned by Mr. Ed Conrad of Shenandoah, Pennsylvania,
U.S.A., has been considered for over 25 years to be just a rock, while
its owner keeps maintaining that it is a Carboniferous human calvarium
fossil. This article attempts to evaluate the object by answering the
following questions in this article’s Discussion section:

1. Is it a fossil?

2. Is it a calvarium fossil?

3. Is it a human calvarium fossil?

4 Is it a Carboniferous human calvarium fossil?

5. Are there evidences for human civilization in the Carboniferous
age?

6.Was there high-technology civilization in the Carboniferous age?

7. Further discussion/Attempts to disprove myself

7-1 Couldn’t it be a rock?

7-2 Couldn’t it be something other than a calvarium?

7-3 Couldn’t it be a non-human calvarium?

7-4 Couldn’t it be later than the Carboniferous age?

A calvarium is a skull without the lower jaw/the facial parts, whereas
a cranium refers to skull bones that enclose the brain (Ref. 1). A
calvarium could contain degraded brain remains.
Material and methods


Material A-1:

On the author’s request, the owner of the “fossil” cut a small
specimen from the object, took pictures of the spot where the specimen
was cut, and sent the specimen to the author by post.

The specimen arrived in the following conditions:

1. A chunk of “fossil” about 1.5 cm long, 1 cm wide, and 0.5 cm
thick.

2. Three small fragments that crumbled out of the above chunk when
the author took up the chunk to look at it for the first time. The
three fragments measure about 0.5 cm x 0.5 cm x 0.2 cm each.

3. Dozens of small grains, each measuring less than 0.2 cm in any
dimension.

Above three kinds of specimens were taken to the geology department of
National Taiwan University. They were made into three thin sections
(Thin Section 1, 2 and 3 respectively) in the following methods, which
ivolved no artificial staining of colors:

1. Thin section 1 (Fig. 4): Specimen 1 was cut for transverse and
longitudinal sections, which were then ground and mounted onto a glass
slide, namely thin section 1. One third of Specimen 1 was left from
the process of making the thin section (Fig. 5, Specimen 1 remnant).

2. Thin section 2 (Fig. 6): Fragments of Specimen 2 were cut, ground
and mounted onto a glass slide.

3. Thin section 3 (Fig. 7) : Small grains of Specimen 3 were placed
in
a mold, glued firmly together, ground to a thickness of about 0.03
mm,
and then mounted onto a glass slide, namely thin section 3. This thin
section was not totally covered with glass, but was coated with a
thin
layer of wax on its top side.

Specimens 1, 2, 3, and thin sections 1, 2, 3 were viewed through a
stereo-microscope, a digital microscope (ref. 11), and a reflected-
light microscope. The remnant from specimen 1 and thin section 3 were
also scanned by a scanning electronic mircoscope (Hitachi model
S-3400N).

The scanning electronic microscope also analysed the remnant’s
chemical composition in a tiny spot (Fig. 8, EDS report). Besides the
digital microscope, a camera (Canon model EOS 350D) was used to
capture images from the stereo-microscope and the reflected-light
microscope.


Material A-2:


On March 17, 2008, Mr. Ed Conrad cut another specimen from the object
and sent it to the author. This specimen measured roughly 5.5 cm X 4
m
X 3 cm. This specimen’s location on the “calvarium fossil” is
visible in Video 1.

This specimen, named SK2 (Fig. 2) by Mr. Conrad, was taken to the
geology department of National Taiwan University, where it was cut in
three different directions. Three thin sections were then obtained
and
named here as SK2-1, SK2-2, SK2-3 (Fig. 3).

The specimen and its three thin sections were viewed with various
microscopes, such as stereomicroscope, transmitted-light microscope,
digital microscope, and Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM). Their
images were captured with the digital microscope, SEM, and Canon
camera Model EOS 350D.


Material B: the “calvarium fossil”


On March 28, 2008, the author had the “calvarium fossil” scanned by
the CT system of Alberta Research Council in Canada. The resulting
computed-tomography videos are listed in Result A.

The author had also asked the owner of the “fossil” to measure the
object and got the following data:

Outer dimensions of the object: 22.8 cm (maximum length) by 17.8 cm
(maximum width) by 13.3 cm (maximum height)

The owner advised the author that on the top side of the
object, there seems to be a 6-mm-thick coating of foreign substance.
To be on the safe side, the author subtracts twice that thickness—6mm
x 2—from the above outer length , outer width, and subtracts 6 mm
from
its exterior maximum height. Hence, the following figures are
obtained
and used for calculating its cranial capacity:

Outer dimensions: 21.6 cm (Length) by 16.6 cm (Width) by 12.7 cm
(Height)

Inner cavity dimensions: 15.9 cm (maximum length) by 10.8 cm (maximum
width) by 11.4 cm (maximum depth/height), as measured by its owner.

Based on the above data, the author calculated the cranial capacity
of
the object as follows:

1. Lee Pearson Formula, given by Williams et al (1995) and
Manjunath (2002b) (ref. 2).

For males: 0.000337 x (L-11) x (W-11) x (H-11) + 406.01

This formula uses outer dimensions, and those dimensions are
expressed
in millimeters in this formula. So, the following calculation is
done:

0.000337 x (216-11) x (166-11) x (127-11) + 406.01=1,648 cc

For females:

0.0004 x (L-11) x (W-11) x (H-11) + 206.60

Hence, the following calculation is done:

0.0004 x (216-11) x (166-11) x (127-11) + 206.60 =1,681 cc

Mean cranial capacity: (1648+1681) divided by 2 makes 1,665 cc.

As the gender of the “cranium” is unknown, only the mean figure is
considered here for convenience.

2. Spheroid Formula, given by Manjunath (2002b, ref. 3)

0.5238 x length x width x height(depth)= cranial capacity

Above length, width, and depth are measurements of the cranial cavity
and expressed in centimeter.

Hence the calculation 0.5238x15.9x10.8x11.4=1,025 cc.
Results


A. Animated Computed Tomography images in all three planes
(horizontal, coronal, and sagittal planes) of the whole object are
contained mainly in the following videos: Video 1, Video 2, Video 3,

Video 4.

B. The EDS report (Fig. 8, Energy Disperse Spectrum report), done by
the scanning electronic microscope, reveals that the object consists
of oxygen (46% by atom number), carbon (30%), silica (14%), and small
quantities of Fe, Na, Mg, and Al.

C. SEM images of Specimen 1 remnant and thin section 3 reveals
numerous remains of bone cells (osteocytes, Fig. 1-0), blood vessels
and red blood cells ( Fig. 9-1, Fig. 9-2, Fig. 9-3, Fig. 9-4, Fig.
9-5, Fig. 9-6, Fig. 9-7, Fig. 9-Cool.

D. Various images of the object also show (1) branching blood vessel
remains (Fig. 1-0-0), Haversian canals and osteons (Fig. 1-1, Fig.
1-2, Fig. 1-3, Fig. 1-4, Fig. 1-5); (2) degraded remains of Golgi
neuron , neuroglial cells and nerve fibers (Fig. 10-1, Fig. 10-2,
Fig.
10-3, Fig. 10-4, Fig. 10-5, Fig. 10-6, Fig. 10-7, Fig. 10-8, Fig.
10-9); (3) blood vessel’s transverse section remains (Fig. 11-1, Fig.
11-2, Fig. 11-3, Fig. 11-4, Fig. 11-5); (4) various fossilized
tissues
(Fig. 12-1 to Fig. 12-6).

E. Specimen 1 is found to have at least three black areas. One such
black area shows brilliant black vitreous luster under naked eyes and
microscopes (Fig. 5). SEM and light microscopic pictures reveal that
the shiny black area contains carbonized blood vessels and
erythrocytes (figures 9-4 to 9-Cool.

F. The estimated cranial capacity of the “calvarium” ranges from
1,025
cc to 1,665 cc as calculated in the preceding paragraph.


Discussion:


1. Is it a fossil?

Yes. Its computed-tomography images (Video 4) don’t look like any
rock. No rocks or plants contain all at the same time the remains of
bone cells, red blood cells, brain cells, Haversian canals, osteons
and blood vessels ...

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Hmmm, I wonder if they caught you in the chin with the same kick?
BradGuth
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:18 pm
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trog69 wrote:
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Hmmm, I wonder if they caught you in the chin with the same kick?

I wonder why all the pretend-atheists within Usenet/Groups are
reacting exactly as though an Old Testament thumping Jew would react.
Is it just me, or is there a little something Semite about folks like
yourself?
.. - Brad Guth
Smiler
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:50 pm
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Quote:
By LIN LIANGTAI
Of Taipei, Taiwan

An updated evaluation on a “Carboniferous human calvarium fossil”

Last update: April 25, 2008 (fifth edition)

http://www.edconrad.com/pics/OldestHumanSkull.JPG
<
Quote:
Summary

The author has examined through microscopes more than 30 thin sections
cut from “rocks” that Mr. Ed Conrad discovered and sent to the
author.


++BZZZZT.
++Your source is Ed Conrad, the well known liar and fraud.
++No point in reading any further.

++Smiler,
++The godless one
++a.a.# 2279
Preventer of Work
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:32 pm
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BradGuth wrote:
Quote:
trog69 wrote:
Hmmm, I wonder if they caught you in the chin with the same kick?

I wonder why all the pretend-atheists within Usenet/Groups are
reacting exactly as though an Old Testament thumping Jew would react.
Is it just me, or is there a little something Semite about folks like
yourself?
. - Brad Guth

I wonder is there isn't something a little Islamist about you.

Now go praise Allah and leave the discussion to people with a clue.
BradGuth
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:04 am
Guest
On Apr 28, 7:32 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t...@nospam.xxx> wrote:
Quote:
BradGuth wrote:
trog69 wrote:
Hmmm, I wonder if they caught you in the chin with the same kick?

I wonder why all the pretend-atheists within Usenet/Groups are
reacting exactly as though an Old Testament thumping Jew would react.
Is it just me, or is there a little something Semite about folks like
yourself?
. -BradGuth

I wonder is there isn't something a little Islamist about you.

Now go praise Allah and leave the discussion to people with a clue.

My fault for liking and caring about the honest and mostly innocent
folks, whereas you seem to like only those bad enough to get away with
whatever suits their faith-based status quo.

I guess that makes us even.
.. - Brad Guth
Quadibloc
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:56 pm
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On Apr 28, 4:47 pm, trog69 <tom.tro...@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Hmmm, I wonder if they caught you in the chin with the same kick?

This posting is obviously proof that we evolved from octopi.

John Savard
Preventer of Work
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:47 pm
Guest
BradGuth wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 28, 7:32 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t...@nospam.xxx> wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
trog69 wrote:
Hmmm, I wonder if they caught you in the chin with the same kick?
I wonder why all the pretend-atheists within Usenet/Groups are
reacting exactly as though an Old Testament thumping Jew would react.
Is it just me, or is there a little something Semite about folks like
yourself?
. -BradGuth
I wonder is there isn't something a little Islamist about you.

Now go praise Allah and leave the discussion to people with a clue.

My fault for liking and caring about the honest and mostly innocent
folks, whereas you seem to like only those bad enough to get away with
whatever suits their faith-based status quo.

I guess that makes us even.
. - Brad Guth

No.

I was adopted. Given the statistics, I was very likely some girl's
"out of wedlock" child. Could be I am a survivor of the beginnings
of the pro-abortion campaigns.

And here I am, telling you that you are full of crap. All the fetus as
babies arguments are purely religious in nature. For quite some time
after conception, there is no "him" or "her", there is just a ball of
cells. Take away the religion, and that becomes clear.

There was no "me" way back when I could have been vacuumed or needled.
And after I die, there will be no "me" again, so if some med student
saws my skull open, I won't be there to care. The two situations are
pretty much equal.
BradGuth
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:52 pm
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On Apr 29, 5:47 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t...@nospam.xxx> wrote:
Quote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:32 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t...@nospam.xxx> wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
trog69 wrote:
Hmmm, I wonder if they caught you in the chin with the same kick?
I wonder why all the pretend-atheists within Usenet/Groups are
reacting exactly as though an Old Testament thumping Jew would react.
Is it just me, or is there a little something Semite about folks like
yourself?
. -BradGuth
I wonder is there isn't something a little Islamist about you.

Now go praise Allah and leave the discussion to people with a clue.

My fault for liking and caring about the honest and mostly innocent
folks, whereas you seem to like only those bad enough to get away with
whatever suits their faith-based status quo.

I guess that makes us even.
. - Brad Guth

No.

I was adopted. Given the statistics, I was very likely some girl's
"out of wedlock" child. Could be I am a survivor of the beginnings
of the pro-abortion campaigns.

And here I am, telling you that you are full of crap. All the fetus as
babies arguments are purely religious in nature. For quite some time
after conception, there is no "him" or "her", there is just a ball of
cells. Take away the religion, and that becomes clear.

There was no "me" way back when I could have been vacuumed or needled.
And after I die, there will be no "me" again, so if some med student
saws my skull open, I won't be there to care. The two situations are
pretty much equal.

In other words, you really don't care about others, so I was right
after all.

Why are you so deathly afraid of allowing a much longer requirement on
behalf of evolution, and especially if it didn't come out of the
mostly fresh water swamp?

Why is there nothing aquatic associated with the oldest of human
fossils?
.. - Brad Guth
Smiler
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"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Apr 29, 5:47 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t...@nospam.xxx> wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:32 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t...@nospam.xxx> wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
trog69 wrote:
Hmmm, I wonder if they caught you in the chin with the same kick?
I wonder why all the pretend-atheists within Usenet/Groups are
reacting exactly as though an Old Testament thumping Jew would react.
Is it just me, or is there a little something Semite about folks like
yourself?
. -BradGuth
I wonder is there isn't something a little Islamist about you.

Now go praise Allah and leave the discussion to people with a clue.

My fault for liking and caring about the honest and mostly innocent
folks, whereas you seem to like only those bad enough to get away with
whatever suits their faith-based status quo.

I guess that makes us even.
. - Brad Guth

No.

I was adopted. Given the statistics, I was very likely some girl's
"out of wedlock" child. Could be I am a survivor of the beginnings
of the pro-abortion campaigns.

And here I am, telling you that you are full of crap. All the fetus as
babies arguments are purely religious in nature. For quite some time
after conception, there is no "him" or "her", there is just a ball of
cells. Take away the religion, and that becomes clear.

There was no "me" way back when I could have been vacuumed or needled.
And after I die, there will be no "me" again, so if some med student
saws my skull open, I won't be there to care. The two situations are
pretty much equal.

In other words, you really don't care about others, so I was right
after all.

Why are you so deathly afraid of allowing a much longer requirement on
behalf of evolution, and especially if it didn't come out of the
mostly fresh water swamp?

Why is there nothing aquatic associated with the oldest of human
fossils?

Look it up yourself, moron. We're not your teachers.
Why is there no-one intelligent associated with intelligent design?

Smiler,
The godless one
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