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| Doug Weller |
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Inger wrote:
[quote:abded868f6]the Haplogroup X which origin has been discussed do origin from
Scandinavia and the groups that still live and are descendants of the
Scandinvian Greenlanders in following states and districts. District of
Quebec.
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Does anyone know what this is about?
Thanks.
Doug |
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| Inger E Johansson |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:43 am |
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"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:8sgcgwh44vp2$.5jzi43frqozq.dlg@40tude.net...
[quote:47756457a7]Inger wrote:
the Haplogroup X which origin has been discussed do origin from
Scandinavia and the groups that still live and are descendants of the
Scandinvian Greenlanders in following states and districts. District of
Quebec.
Does anyone know what this is about?
[/quote:47756457a7]
Yes several here does. However I doubt that you will have the information
here on board. It will come either in form of a new article in a journal or
with ref to the NY scholar who had it up on the way to his Dissertation some
years ago.
I will return to that in due time. For the moment I am going thru a summery
of the background up to 1000 AD from my own manuscript. That part you will
have with references this week.
Inger E
[quote:47756457a7]
Thanks.
Doug[/quote:47756457a7] |
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| Philip Deitiker |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 7:06 am |
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| Doug Weller |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 9:47 am |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 07:43:40 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
[quote:f0eaf6f4a4]"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:8sgcgwh44vp2$.5jzi43frqozq.dlg@40tude.net...
Inger wrote:
the Haplogroup X which origin has been discussed do origin from
Scandinavia and the groups that still live and are descendants of the
Scandinvian Greenlanders in following states and districts. District of
Quebec.
Does anyone know what this is about?
Yes several here does. However I doubt that you will have the information
here on board. It will come either in form of a new article in a journal or
with ref to the NY scholar who had it up on the way to his Dissertation some
years ago.
I will return to that in due time.
[SNIP][/quote:f0eaf6f4a4]
In other words, this is more secret information that scholars in the field
do not know, and about which you will provide no details.
In reference to your claims, Gisele Horvat points out;
* 1) Based upon degree of divergence, New World haplogroup X has been
* determined to be about the same age as Old World haplogroup X. New
* World X sequences are also more distant from Old World X sequences than
* Altaian are to European.
* 2) It seems unlikely that recent immigrants from Europe would have
* brought one of the rarest haplogroups to the New World, only.
* These points were made in the following articles; both of which are
* freely available on the internet:
* Athena Review Vol.3. No. 2 (2002)
* A Molecular Anthropological Perspective on the People of the Americas
* Theodore G. Schurr
* Molecular Genetic Diversity of Indigenous Siberians: Implications for
* Ancient DNA Studies of Cis-Baikal Archeological Populations
* Theodore G. Schurr, Ph.D. (2004)
* 3) The earliest confirmed haplogroup X sequence in the New World dates
* to 1,340 +/- 40 B.P. years. Reference:
* AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 119:84¡V86 (2002)
* Brief Communication: Haplogroup X Confirmed in
* Prehistoric North America
* Ripan S. Malhi1* and David Glenn Smith2,3
* AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 119:84¡V86 (2002)
I presume that rather than substantiate your claim you will stonewall in
some fashion.
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| Inger E Johansson |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 10:06 am |
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"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:18zs1o0ls6bjn$.19092e1kezlj2.dlg@40tude.net...
[quote:db0b4cd313]On Mon, 10 May 2004 07:43:40 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:8sgcgwh44vp2$.5jzi43frqozq.dlg@40tude.net...
Inger wrote:
the Haplogroup X which origin has been discussed do origin from
Scandinavia and the groups that still live and are descendants of the
Scandinvian Greenlanders in following states and districts. District
of
Quebec.
Does anyone know what this is about?
Yes several here does. However I doubt that you will have the
information
here on board. It will come either in form of a new article in a journal
or
with ref to the NY scholar who had it up on the way to his Dissertation
some
years ago.
I will return to that in due time.
[SNIP]
In other words, this is more secret information that scholars in the field
do not know, and about which you will provide no details.
[/quote:db0b4cd313]
If you say that more than 20 scholars in the field aren't enough then you
are joking. I am not the one who is behind this, specialist are and supplied
me with information. That you don't know about it isn't the same as to call
it secret information. No one has said that everything has to be presented
on net.
[quote:db0b4cd313]
In reference to your claims, Gisele Horvat points out;
* 1) Based upon degree of divergence, New World haplogroup X has been
* determined to be about the same age as Old World haplogroup X.
[/quote:db0b4cd313]
Yes. And that it should be if you only knew what you are to look for. Had it
been anything else then it would have been an other matter. Good Night.
Inger E |
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| Doug Weller |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:36 am |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 16:06:12 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
[quote:c2aba9fac0]"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:18zs1o0ls6bjn$.19092e1kezlj2.dlg@40tude.net...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 07:43:40 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:8sgcgwh44vp2$.5jzi43frqozq.dlg@40tude.net...
Inger wrote:
the Haplogroup X which origin has been discussed do origin from
Scandinavia and the groups that still live and are descendants of the
Scandinvian Greenlanders in following states and districts. District
of
Quebec.
Does anyone know what this is about?
Yes several here does. However I doubt that you will have the
information
here on board. It will come either in form of a new article in a journal
or
with ref to the NY scholar who had it up on the way to his Dissertation
some
years ago.
I will return to that in due time.
[SNIP]
In other words, this is more secret information that scholars in the field
do not know, and about which you will provide no details.
If you say that more than 20 scholars in the field aren't enough then you
are joking. I am not the one who is behind this, specialist are and supplied
me with information. That you don't know about it isn't the same as to call
it secret information. No one has said that everything has to be presented
on net.
[/quote:c2aba9fac0]
True. You snipped Giselle's references, which were to journals. I didn't
mention the Internet, why bring it in?
You don't seem to be able to give us any specifics. No names, no
references, nada. You don't even know when or how the alleged information
will be presented. If more than 20 scholars in the field know about it, it
isn't secret, so why not give more specifics? You always have an excuse,
Inger, for not substantiating claims like this. It would be more sensible
not to make claims you can't back up, and would save you a lot of grief.
[SNIP]
Doug |
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| Philip Deitiker |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 12:05 pm |
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Doug Weller <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> says in
news:1kayseahc8z7o$.6iw24slobx33$.dlg@40tude.net:
[quote:fa676fdaf8]You don't seem to be able to give us any specifics. No
names, no references, nada. You don't even know when or
how the alleged information will be presented. If more
than 20 scholars in the field know about it, it isn't
secret, so why not give more specifics? You always have an
excuse, Inger, for not substantiating claims like this. It
would be more sensible not to make claims you can't back
up, and would save you a lot of grief.
[/quote:fa676fdaf8]
Inger presented this recently and she got a response from
Gisele. This thing is poop. She is trolling again, there is no
reason not to ignore her, it appears that everyone else is, and
in fast order.
Haplotype X if you want my opinion, there are haplotypes like
6801 and 6802 which appear to have come from africa rather
recently and not via the recent west eurasian route but via the
middle east and pakistan direct into east asia, and then the new
world. Probably 2nd+ wave elements. It seems to me that hap X
might have been carried as a more recent wave from african that
has spread bidirectionally into europe and east asia including
north america. The scandinavians probably only picked up in more
recent inbreeding from the east, likely as a result of female
slaves.
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| Seppo Renfors |
| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:32 am |
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Doug Weller wrote:
[quote:92352b9c36]
On Mon, 10 May 2004 16:06:12 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:18zs1o0ls6bjn$.19092e1kezlj2.dlg@40tude.net...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 07:43:40 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:8sgcgwh44vp2$.5jzi43frqozq.dlg@40tude.net...
Inger wrote:
the Haplogroup X which origin has been discussed do origin from
Scandinavia and the groups that still live and are descendants of the
Scandinvian Greenlanders in following states and districts. District
of
Quebec.
Does anyone know what this is about?
Yes several here does. However I doubt that you will have the
information
here on board. It will come either in form of a new article in a journal
or
with ref to the NY scholar who had it up on the way to his Dissertation
some
years ago.
I will return to that in due time.
[SNIP]
In other words, this is more secret information that scholars in the field
do not know, and about which you will provide no details.
If you say that more than 20 scholars in the field aren't enough then you
are joking. I am not the one who is behind this, specialist are and supplied
me with information. That you don't know about it isn't the same as to call
it secret information. No one has said that everything has to be presented
on net.
True. You snipped Giselle's references, which were to journals. I didn't
mention the Internet, why bring it in?
[/quote:92352b9c36]
Yes you did. It was in Giselle's text you quoted:
[quote]
* These points were made in the following articles; both of which are
* freely available on the internet:
[end quote]
For what it's worth, what I have read about this also supports
Giselle's stated view.
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SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
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