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| Jim34 |
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| Al Dykes |
| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:03 pm |
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In article <1189022264.926431.262850@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
Jim34 <gfhdtr6yd6ry@googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray spectrometry evidence from
samples taken at the WTC site. They dramatically show a PERFECT MATCH
for the highly specialized compound "thermate" (used for cutting
through steel) found in the WTC debris.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ2vAupmooU
Where did his samples come from?
When did he get them?
Has he published the full report from hs lab?
has any independant lab tested the sample?
I'm not going to watch a video. Where is the paper, allegedly "peer
reviewed, I'm sure. Real scientists publish papers that can be
fact-checked. (not all papers are published by scientists or
are fact-checked.)
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| dlzc |
| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:57 pm |
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Dear Jim34:
On Sep 5, 12:57 pm, Jim34 <gfhdtr6yd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray
spectrometry evidence from samples taken at
the WTC site. They dramatically show a
PERFECT MATCH for the highly specialized
compound "thermate" (used for cutting
through steel) found in the WTC debris.
Thermite is used for cutting through steel.
Thermate is a military-grade explosive.
You have now made reference to both. Which is it?
Thermite is comprised entirely of rust, aluminum and magnesium. All
of which can be found in a 40year old concrete structure (oxidized
iron) hit by a commerical aircraft (aluminum and magnesium).
But I waste breath on you.
David A. Smith |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:02 pm |
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On Sep 5, 9:03 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
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Where did his samples come from?
When did he get them?
Has he published the full report from hs lab?
has any independant lab tested the sample?
I'm not going to watch a video. Where is the paper, allegedly "peer
reviewed, I'm sure. Real scientists publish papers that can be
fact-checked. (not all papers are published by scientists or
are fact-checked.)
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
It is pointless to try using facts and logic with those that have
already made up their minds.
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| Martin H. Eastburn |
| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:47 pm |
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Just when did this Professor do his test ? As dust was still falling
or months later in a junk yard with cut off beams or in the bottom
where the beams were cut out ...
Give it up.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
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| Mexico |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:25 am |
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For a moment I though he meant termites had demolished the WTC. Shoud be
someone who could give us the evidence that in fact those little animals had
been causing problems for years, weakening the main structure of the towers
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| Grimly Fiendish |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:56 am |
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<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
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Quote: On Sep 5, 9:03 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
Where did his samples come from?
When did he get them?
Has he published the full report from hs lab?
has any independant lab tested the sample?
I'm not going to watch a video. Where is the paper, allegedly "peer
reviewed, I'm sure. Real scientists publish papers that can be
fact-checked. (not all papers are published by scientists or
are fact-checked.)
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
It is pointless to try using facts and logic with those that have
already made up their minds.
Dan
I agree, i cannot possibly begin to imagine how someone could be so certain
that the flakey goverment report is correct and accurate, nor how someone
could be so willing to believe their government, Unless they are part of the
government or a troll.
When you look at the evidence (of which there is very little if any in the
government reports) and you consider that the goverment ignored or destroyed
much of the evidence, you would have to brainwashed, extremely dumb, a troll
or unwilling to admit you could be wrong to keep ADs 100% belief in it up. |
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| Grimly Fiendish |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:08 am |
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"dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Dear Jim34:
On Sep 5, 12:57 pm, Jim34 <gfhdtr6yd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray
spectrometry evidence from samples taken at
the WTC site. They dramatically show a
PERFECT MATCH for the highly specialized
compound "thermate" (used for cutting
through steel) found in the WTC debris.
Thermite is used for cutting through steel.
Thermate is a military-grade explosive.
You have now made reference to both. Which is it?
Thermite is comprised entirely of rust, aluminum and magnesium. All
of which can be found in a 40year old concrete structure (oxidized
iron) hit by a commerical aircraft (aluminum and magnesium).
But I waste breath on you.
Concrete - oxidized iron, you have now made reference to both, which is it?
The fact that there may have been been small traces of the above present any
way cannot be used to disscount the thermite theory being as they would be
present if thermate had been used, that is just stupid logic. If thermate
had been used there would be much higher levels of these compounds present
and they would be more localised, the government have basicaly said that
because there might be traces of the above present anyway that they will not
check this out (convenient ?).
It is just another flakey bit of assumption to excuse the possible real
reason for the collapse.
It would be easy to acertain wether the levels of the above compounds were
minute traces from the plane (or even from the plane at all) or wether they
were from thermate used. |
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| Brian Whatcott |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:39 am |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:57:44 -0700, Jim34
<gfhdtr6yd6ry@googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray spectrometry evidence from
samples taken at the WTC site. They dramatically show a PERFECT MATCH
for the highly specialized compound "thermate" (used for cutting
through steel) found in the WTC debris.
I'm not much on conspiracy theorists. Could the material in question
be Thermite? This highly specialized material is comprised of
steel rust, and aluminum powder. It doesn't get much more specialized
than that, I don't think?
Brian Whatcott Altus OK |
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| dlzc |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:20 pm |
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Dear Grimly Fiendish:
On Sep 6, 1:08 am, "Grimly Fiendish" <Al...@Sexfiend.fsnot.co.youK>
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Quote: "dlzc" <dl...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1189029446.069093.133940@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Dear Jim34:
On Sep 5, 12:57 pm, Jim34 <gfhdtr6yd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray
spectrometry evidence from samples taken at
the WTC site. They dramatically show a
PERFECT MATCH for the highly specialized
compound "thermate" (used for cutting
through steel) found in the WTC debris.
Thermite is used for cutting through steel.
Thermate is a military-grade explosive.
You have now made reference to both. Which is it?
Thermite is comprised entirely of rust, aluminum
and magnesium. All of which can be found in a
40year old concrete structure (oxidized iron) hit
by a commerical aircraft (aluminum and magnesium).
But I waste breath on you.
Concrete - oxidized iron, you have now made
reference to both, which is it?
Both. Concrete floors and some supports, lots of iron with the
requisite oxide layer.
Quote: The fact that there may have been been small traces
of the above present any way cannot be used to
disscount the thermite theory being as they would be
present if thermate had been used,
Thermite or thermate, which is it? They are not the same.
Quote: that is just stupid logic. If thermate had been used
there would be much higher levels of these
compounds present and they would be more
localised, the government have basicaly said that
because there might be traces of the above present
anyway that they will not check this out (convenient ?).
No, but it is a perfect opportunity for someone like yourself to
posture and strut how much they don't know, especially about
forensics.
Some people were there on that day, and knew that government was
incapable of doing anything. It was the raw guts and nerve of those
that survived that carried the day, saved the lives that could be
saved, and started the system moving such that government *could*
function.
Your efforts and opinions are merely silly, on this topic.
David A. Smith |
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| dizum |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:42 pm |
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Why don't you people shut-up?
Your government told you WTC towers and Building 7 collapsed because of the
attack by 19 Hijackers, so take it and STFU. Your government knows the best.
Your government knows what is good for you and your children, what you can
eat, what you can drink, what you can watch, what you can listen, what you
can say and what you can do...
Take it or you will become an enemy of the United States. That will get you
on black list and into the Guantanamo Bay Cuba "recreation" camp.
Your government passed "The Patriot Act" so beware! If you are not Patriot
or for that mater too much patriot, you will become an enemy of the state.
Read it! Your "elected officials" did not! They just voted for it, so you
and your miniscule brothers and sisters obey the law or else!
Listen to the government. Obey your government. Serve your government. If
you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. We are the government and
we come in peace.
**********I say, George Orwell described today's United States in his book
1984. You do not believe it? Read it. Or STFU.
On the other side, if you trust your government, you must be retarded or
educated in indoctrination stations called public education schools of
United States.
Yours truly,
#1 Enemy of the State
P.S.
For you from Rio Linda, California, I tried to be sarcastic. |
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| N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:31 pm |
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Quote: Why don't you people shut-up?
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| Al Dykes |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:43 pm |
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In article <46dfb2c7$0$47138$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
Grimly Fiendish <Alien@Sexfiend.fsnot.co.youK> wrote:
Quote:
dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
news:1189044174.319204.68970@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 5, 9:03 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
Where did his samples come from?
When did he get them?
Has he published the full report from hs lab?
has any independant lab tested the sample?
I'm not going to watch a video. Where is the paper, allegedly "peer
reviewed, I'm sure. Real scientists publish papers that can be
fact-checked. (not all papers are published by scientists or
are fact-checked.)
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
It is pointless to try using facts and logic with those that have
already made up their minds.
Dan
I agree, i cannot possibly begin to imagine how someone could be so certain
that the flakey goverment report is correct and accurate, nor how someone
could be so willing to believe their government, Unless they are part of the
government or a troll.
When you look at the evidence (of which there is very little if any in the
government reports) and you consider that the goverment ignored or destroyed
much of the evidence, you would have to brainwashed, extremely dumb, a troll
or unwilling to admit you could be wrong to keep ADs 100% belief in it up.
Thousands of eyewitnesses to the events of 9/11 saw things that were
consistant with PM and the "Standard Story" and contrary to Twoofer
claims. There are no such eyewitnesses that claim they saw a
commercial jet fly low over the Pentagon and leave, or claim seeing
man-made explosives or molten steel on the pile at WTC. Contrary to
Twoofer lies, 95% of FLt93's parts have been recovered and all the
passengers have been identified via DNA.
There are no eyewitnesses to "molten metal" on the pile at WTC. All
the stories turn out to be second-hand when researched.
There are no eyewitnesses that say they saw evidence of man-made
explosives at WTC. "explosion" is just a good word for "loud noise".
Nobody heard explosions as loud as the 1993 bombing consistent with
the video of the collapse. Thermite takes minutes to operate and
produces voluminous white light, white smoke and slag. Nobody saw
light and smoke prior to the collapse. Nobody found the slag,
afterwords.
At the Pentagon, There are hundreds of eyewitnesses that saw the plane
approach the building low and fast. Nobody saw that jet fly over it
and leave. Many of them saw it crash.
In PA, 95% of the aircraft debris of Flight 93 has been recovered and
identified as have DNA samples of all the passengers.
Every quote of a NY fireman provided by the "Truth Movement" is a lie,
edited and out of context and without citation. The "Truth Movement"
censors information that contradicts Truthy claims.
Nobody heard explsions of size and timing consistant with any of the
collapses of any of the buildings at WTC. The explosions would have
been larger and louder than the 1993 bomb (about half a ton of TNT,
equiv) which everyone hear and didn't come close to bringing a tower
down.
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| Martin H. Eastburn |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:01 pm |
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THey do that in Oakland - eating the cement docks that ported
the ships from Taiwan where the cement termites live.
Maybe on the foundation... but steel - not yet.
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/
Mexico wrote:
Quote: For a moment I though he meant termites had demolished the WTC. Shoud be
someone who could give us the evidence that in fact those little animals had
been causing problems for years, weakening the main structure of the towers
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| Ignoramus7495 |
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:14 pm |
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I have played with thermite (and have about 2 more lbs left). I do not
believe that it could be used practically to cut beams that are
encased in concrete, flooring etc. Especially vertical beams.
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