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Candide
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:35 am
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Hundreds of Bay Area RNs from several hospitals have begun a ten day
strike. Wages aren't the issue, rather concerns over staffing, break
time, and lifting of patients.


http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8660127

Candide
ironjustice
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:35 am
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On Mar 22, 7:35 am, "Candide" <PityMePi...@anywhere.com> wrote:
Hundreds of Bay Area RNs from several hospitals have begun a ten day
strike. Wages aren't the issue, rather concerns over staffing, break
time, and lifting of patients.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8660127 <<

Who's supposed to lift the patients .. ?

Alternatives .. ?

Dumb down the curriculum so we can get some strapping ten pack ..
workers .. ?

Penal labor .. ?

THAT sounds like a good idea ..

That way they'll be prepared for what is .. forthcoming ..

Charged with child endangerment ..

Giving iron supplements to .. children and killing them.

Hmmm ..

Guess that's a little bit more than .. endangerment ..

That's sorta like .. "hastening the death" .. ?

I wonder how that .. feels ..

Who loves ya.
Tom


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Candide
cat
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:41 pm
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"Candide" <PityMePines@anywhere.com> wrote in message

Quote:
Hundreds of Bay Area RNs from several hospitals have begun a ten day
strike. Wages aren't the issue, rather concerns over staffing, break
time, and lifting of patients.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8660127

Three walkouts in six months? Something is seriously wrong here.

Quote:
Mary Ann Voellinger, a supervisory nurse who has worked in Eden's emergency
room for 22 years, said there were three days last week when she did not
get an afternoon break because there was no one to relieve her.

Wow, a whole three days that the nurse didn't get relieved. And it's a news
item. I haven't been relieved for lunch in over a year. But the hospital
docks me every day as if I were. We have no lift teams, either, nor
mechanical lifts, nor a PT department. That would cost money. My hospital
has a stellar reputation. My back hurts.

Quote:
Alta Bates Summit Medical Center in Oakland and Berkeley has offered a
16.5 percent wage hike over 3 1/2 years. That would increase the average
pay for a full-time nurse from $123,000 to $145,000.

I know the COL is high in California, but dayum, those are some pretty
wages. A nurse who's lived there for many years and bought a home before
the prices went insane could live extremely well, methinks.
Candide
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:00 am
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"cat" <catsandcanaries@nospammeowmeow.com> wrote in message
news:6qFFj.8015$6J3.519@newsfe13.phx...
Quote:
"Candide" <PityMePines@anywhere.com> wrote in message

Hundreds of Bay Area RNs from several hospitals have begun a ten day
strike. Wages aren't the issue, rather concerns over staffing, break
time, and lifting of patients.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8660127

Three walkouts in six months? Something is seriously wrong here.

Mary Ann Voellinger, a supervisory nurse who has worked in Eden's
emergency
room for 22 years, said there were three days last week when she did
not
get an afternoon break because there was no one to relieve her.

Wow, a whole three days that the nurse didn't get relieved. And it's
a news
item. I haven't been relieved for lunch in over a year. But the
hospital
docks me every day as if I were. We have no lift teams, either, nor
mechanical lifts, nor a PT department. That would cost money. My
hospital
has a stellar reputation. My back hurts.

Alta Bates Summit Medical Center in Oakland and Berkeley has offered
a
16.5 percent wage hike over 3 1/2 years. That would increase the
average
pay for a full-time nurse from $123,000 to $145,000.

I know the COL is high in California, but dayum, those are some pretty
wages. A nurse who's lived there for many years and bought a home
before
the prices went insane could live extremely well, methinks.

According to what I've been reading on this matter, the strike is not
about wages, but working conditions.

As you've mentioned from your own experience, the RNs feel they are not
getting proper breaks, nor assistance of any sort, mechanical or
otherwise in shifting heavy patients.
Kurt Ullman
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:26 am
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In article <6qFFj.8015$6J3.519@newsfe13.phx>,
"cat" <catsandcanaries@nospammeowmeow.com> wrote:


Quote:
Wow, a whole three days that the nurse didn't get relieved. And it's a news
item. I haven't been relieved for lunch in over a year. But the hospital
docks me every day as if I were. We have no lift teams, either, nor
mechanical lifts, nor a PT department. That would cost money. My hospital
has a stellar reputation. My back hurts.


I woudl get in touch with the local Dept of Labor Wage & Hour
Division office. It has been awhile, but at least one of the area
hospitals ended up having to pay OT, plus interest, plus a fine for
people not getting their lunches. Same with making you clock out at end
of shift but staying around to finish the work.

Quote:
Alta Bates Summit Medical Center in Oakland and Berkeley has offered a
16.5 percent wage hike over 3 1/2 years. That would increase the average
pay for a full-time nurse from $123,000 to $145,000.

I know the COL is high in California, but dayum, those are some pretty
wages. A nurse who's lived there for many years and bought a home before
the prices went insane could live extremely well, methinks.

Yeah, but house prices went insane in CA in the mid-50s or so(g).
In the mid-90s United Airlines opened a maintenance hub in Indy and
transferred people from San Fran. They were saying that what they were
getting for their 2 bed room bungalows would buy 4 bedroom waterfront
homes here in Indy.
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:11 am
Guest
Kurt Ullman wrote:
Quote:
I woudl get in touch with the local Dept of Labor Wage & Hour
Division office. It has been awhile, but at least one of the area
hospitals ended up having to pay OT, plus interest, plus a fine for
people not getting their lunches. Same with making you clock out at end
of shift but staying around to finish the work.


My hospital has tried repeatedly to get me to clock in within no more than seven
minutes before I'm scheduled. When we got our last manager, one of the early
things she did was drag each and every one of us into her office to spank us for
our transgressions... something the manager before her had just ignored.
Anyway, my personal sin was tardiness. Not more than 5 minutes but it happened
fairly regularly. I was just leaving the house a little late and cutting it too
close. (Avoidance behavior)

OK. I just started leaving the house earlier. I started arriving early *every*
time. I haven't been late in the last 5 years. But then they whine about me
clocking in early. Well, fuck that. I clock in when I get there. I'm only
there for their benefit and I start work related tasks immediately upon arrival.
I don't go to the can to take a dump (like some do). I don't wander down to the
cafeteria to get breakfast (like some do). I get my assignment and start
getting my report. They can damned well pay me for it. And if they don't want
to, there's always the Labor Board. It wouldn't be the first time I've called
them. I'm pretty sure I can find the number again.


Quote:
Alta Bates Summit Medical Center in Oakland and Berkeley has offered a
16.5 percent wage hike over 3 1/2 years. That would increase the average
pay for a full-time nurse from $123,000 to $145,000.

I know the COL is high in California, but dayum, those are some pretty
wages. A nurse who's lived there for many years and bought a home before
the prices went insane could live extremely well, methinks.


I passed that article along to my friends and we're all blown away. We earn
about a third of that. Of course, living in the South is cheap. I just
question if it's that cheap. No, I suspect it's my employers who're cheap. I
do love them so.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
Candide
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:54 am
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:rYWdnTXnL6c4K3ranZ2dnUVZ_qWtnZ2d@giganews.com...
Quote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:
I woudl get in touch with the local Dept of Labor Wage & Hour
Division office. It has been awhile, but at least one of the area
hospitals ended up having to pay OT, plus interest, plus a fine for
people not getting their lunches. Same with making you clock out at
end
of shift but staying around to finish the work.


My hospital has tried repeatedly to get me to clock in within no more
than seven
minutes before I'm scheduled. When we got our last manager, one of
the early
things she did was drag each and every one of us into her office to
spank us for
our transgressions... something the manager before her had just
ignored.
Anyway, my personal sin was tardiness. Not more than 5 minutes but it
happened
fairly regularly. I was just leaving the house a little late and
cutting it too
close. (Avoidance behavior)

OK. I just started leaving the house earlier. I started arriving
early *every*
time. I haven't been late in the last 5 years. But then they whine
about me
clocking in early. Well, fuck that. I clock in when I get there.
I'm only
there for their benefit and I start work related tasks immediately
upon arrival.
I don't go to the can to take a dump (like some do). I don't wander
down to the
cafeteria to get breakfast (like some do). I get my assignment and
start
getting my report. They can damned well pay me for it. And if they
don't want
to, there's always the Labor Board. It wouldn't be the first time
I've called
them. I'm pretty sure I can find the number again.


Alta Bates Summit Medical Center in Oakland and Berkeley has
offered a
16.5 percent wage hike over 3 1/2 years. That would increase the
average
pay for a full-time nurse from $123,000 to $145,000.

I know the COL is high in California, but dayum, those are some
pretty
wages. A nurse who's lived there for many years and bought a home
before
the prices went insane could live extremely well, methinks.


I passed that article along to my friends and we're all blown away.
We earn
about a third of that. Of course, living in the South is cheap. I
just
question if it's that cheap. No, I suspect it's my employers who're
cheap. I
do love them so.

Housing prices are such that places such as most of California and parts
of New York (mostly the New York City area), earning $145,000 per year,
depending upon one's situation is not even considered middle class.

After state, local and federal taxes, $145K can come down really fast by
1/3 or more, especially if one lives in a very high tax state/area. It
came to light during the recent sub-prime mortgage mess, that
middle-class persons such as nurses and others earning these wages still
couldn't afford to purchase their own homes in California, and other
areas. NYC hospitals are always moaning about how they cannot attract
and hold quality nurses even at what some consider "decent" wages. Many
Long Island hospital are finding out even when recruiting nurses from
abroad, finding them housing in that market isn't cheap either. Some
have started building nurses dorms again, or similar sort of housing.
Moi? Never liked nurses residences, it means management knows where you
are and can come to get you if they need warm bodies. It also means one
has little or no excuse to beg off duty say when the weather is bad and
roads even worse, as the response will always be, "you can walk here".

Candide
cat
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:42 pm
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message

Quote:
OK. I just started leaving the house earlier. I started arriving early
*every* time. I haven't been late in the last 5 years. But then they
whine about me clocking in early. Well, fuck that. I clock in when I get
there. I'm only there for their benefit and I start work related tasks
immediately upon arrival. I don't go to the can to take a dump (like some
do). I don't wander down to the cafeteria to get breakfast (like some
do). I get my assignment and start getting my report. They can damned
well pay me for it. And if they don't want to, there's always the Labor
Board. It wouldn't be the first time I've called them. I'm pretty sure I
can find the number again.

I am compulsively early. If I'm on time, I feel like I'm late. The traffic
here is also bananas, even at 5 am. I was clocking in early for over a year
without a peep, and then at the end of last year, I got hate mail from HR.
So I set my clock 15 minutes later. I still get to work early, because I
just move faster due to my compulsion to be early. I rationalize it as my
compensation for never getting a lunch break. Anyway, if I were to leave
any later than I do right now, I would actually be late, because the traffic
is that much worse at 5:30 than it is at 5:20 (I work 6 am to 6 pm). If I'm
not there early, the night shift worries that I've been in an accident.
cat
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:47 pm
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"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Quote:
Yeah, but house prices went insane in CA in the mid-50s or so(g).
In the mid-90s United Airlines opened a maintenance hub in Indy and
transferred people from San Fran. They were saying that what they were
getting for their 2 bed room bungalows would buy 4 bedroom waterfront
homes here in Indy.

True, but it's all relative. If you bought your house, even in California,
in the 1980s or early 90s, that six figure salary would handle your mortgage
very nicely.

Seems like the rest of the world has seen their prices skyrocket, but the
salaries haven't kept pace.
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:22 pm
Guest
Candide wrote:
Quote:
NYC hospitals are always moaning about how they cannot attract
and hold quality nurses even at what some consider "decent" wages. Many
Long Island hospital are finding out even when recruiting nurses from
abroad, finding them housing in that market isn't cheap either. Some
have started building nurses dorms again, or similar sort of housing.
Moi? Never liked nurses residences, it means management knows where you
are and can come to get you if they need warm bodies. It also means one
has little or no excuse to beg off duty say when the weather is bad and
roads even worse, as the response will always be, "you can walk here".


There's more to it than that. It's akin to a company town. Not only do they
know where you are; not only do they consider you a captive workers when they
need more warm bodies... they're able to hold your very residence hostage in
order to keep you in line.

You don't just get fired; you become homeless in the same breath. Very nice.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:33 pm
Guest
cat wrote:
Quote:
I am compulsively early. If I'm on time, I feel like I'm late. The traffic
here is also bananas, even at 5 am. I was clocking in early for over a year
without a peep, and then at the end of last year, I got hate mail from HR.
So I set my clock 15 minutes later. I still get to work early, because I
just move faster due to my compulsion to be early. I rationalize it as my
compensation for never getting a lunch break.


Let's get back to that. Why aren't you getting lunch every day? Believe me,
the work will still be there if you're 30 minutes later in doing it. You need
to just say, "the hell with it... I'm going to lunch" and go. It is considered
poor manners to ask somebody to watch my patients if there's likely to be any
more than the most minimal of needs to meet... so I make sure everybody's got
their pain meds and the IV bags are good to go for at least the next hour or
two. When somebody agrees to watch my patients the chances are they won't have
to do a thing. I expect the same from them.

On the rare occasion where I truly don't manage to get down to the slopateria
before it closes, I write in our exception book the date and the words "no
lunch". Then they pay me for 30 minutes extra. (We are required to be there
from 0700-1930 while they normally pay us only for 12 hours.)

If you are systematically being cheated out of lunch by management then you need
to let your fingers do the walking to the Labor Board. Slavery isn't tolerated
in the United States any more, no matter what management tells you. OTOH, if
you don't get lunch simply because you can't make yourself take it... well, then
that's your problem. Grow a set or have them descend, as appropriate.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
cat
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:57 am
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message

Quote:
Let's get back to that. Why aren't you getting lunch every day? Believe
me, the work will still be there if you're 30 minutes later in doing it.
You need to just say, "the hell with it... I'm going to lunch" and go. It
is considered poor manners to ask somebody to watch my patients if there's
likely to be any more than the most minimal of needs to meet... so I make
sure everybody's got their pain meds and the IV bags are good to go for
at least the next hour or two. When somebody agrees to watch my patients
the chances are they won't have to do a thing. I expect the same from
them.

Unfortunately, in our ICU, the patients don't usually have the courtesy to
remain without needs for 30 minutes. It's really hard to take care of a
double assignment. The charge nurse is supposed to offer to relieve people
for lunch, but she never does. Well, maybe once that I remember.

Virtually no one in my unit ever takes a lunch break. They eat at the
nurse's station, and get routinely yelled at by the nursing VP when she
catches them. Not because she wants them to get their break, but because it
doesn't look good to have food out at the desk. And of course while they're
eating, they still have to answer call lights and clean up slop and respond
to doctors. I've heard very derogatory comments toward nurses who actually
leave the unit for lunch.

Quote:
On the rare occasion where I truly don't manage to get down to the
slopateria before it closes, I write in our exception book the date and
the words "no lunch". Then they pay me for 30 minutes extra. (We are
required to be there from 0700-1930 while they normally pay us only for 12
hours.)

If you are systematically being cheated out of lunch by management then
you need to let your fingers do the walking to the Labor Board. Slavery
isn't tolerated in the United States any more, no matter what management
tells you. OTOH, if you don't get lunch simply because you can't make
yourself take it... well, then that's your problem. Grow a set or have
them descend, as appropriate.

I think I'll continue being female, but thanks for the suggestion. Some day
I'll understand why assertiveness is associated with testicles. Today would
not be that day.

I believe I once mentioned in this newsgroup about a previous hospital where
I worked the night shift, and the supervisor told us we were not entitled to
any breaks over the 12-hour shift because, unlike days, nights was not
docked for 30 minutes. That, I knew, was a total crock, but those were the
days when they let us know we should be grateful to have a job.
 
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