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The Master
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:38 am
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I was watching an astronomy tv show over the weekend, talking about when
the mass of a star is large enough, when it "dies", the electrons will
combine with the protons of the atoms, creating nothing but a dense pack
of neutrons. The resulting "rebound" off this neutron core creates a
super nova, and that there are neutrinos (sorry for botching the spelling
so bad) that "push" material away from the star.

I know that sub-atomic particles like protons and electrons are made up of
three quarks each, as is a neutron. I no longer have my old college
physics book, so I cannot look it up myself, and I have so far been unable
to find a web reference to answer my question.

That question is, when the three quarks of the electron and the three
quarks of the proton combine, creating a neutron... What sub-atomic
particle do the three "left over" quarks create? Is it a neutrino? Have
they actually been discovered? Last time I knew, they were theorized, but
never actually "seen". Or am I just totally wrong?
Cork Soaker
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:02 pm
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"The Master" <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0803121525290.10068@sdf.lonestar.org...
:
: I was watching an astronomy tv show over the weekend, talking about when
: the mass of a star is large enough, when it "dies", the electrons will
: combine with the protons of the atoms, creating nothing but a dense pack
: of neutrons. The resulting "rebound" off this neutron core creates a
: super nova, and that there are neutrinos (sorry for botching the spelling
: so bad) that "push" material away from the star.
:
: I know that sub-atomic particles like protons and electrons are made up of
: three quarks each, as is a neutron. I no longer have my old college
: physics book, so I cannot look it up myself, and I have so far been unable
: to find a web reference to answer my question.
:
: That question is, when the three quarks of the electron and the three
: quarks of the proton combine, creating a neutron... What sub-atomic
: particle do the three "left over" quarks create? Is it a neutrino? Have
: they actually been discovered? Last time I knew, they were theorized, but
: never actually "seen". Or am I just totally wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino
GatherNoMoss
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:10 am
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Speaking of neutrinos.....

I know they interact weakly with ordinary matter....

But every once in a while one does interact.

A couple months ago one "interacted" with one of my nuts.....oh dang
that hurt !

I yelled out "Neutrino sum bitch !" and shook my fist toward the Sun

Oh sure they have almost no mass......but traveling at almost light
speed....yeah, it'll get your attention.

I now wrap my bag with aluminum foil because I'm pretty sure it'll
block neutrinos
and other signals.
Cork Soaker
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:00 pm
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"GatherNoMoss" <saints2060@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4f5186ee-8099-4d17-92f5-6c72ae59035b@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
: Speaking of neutrinos.....
:
: I know they interact weakly with ordinary matter....
:
: But every once in a while one does interact.
:
: A couple months ago one "interacted" with one of my nuts.....oh dang
: that hurt !
:
: I yelled out "Neutrino sum bitch !" and shook my fist toward the Sun
:
: Oh sure they have almost no mass......but traveling at almost light
: speed....yeah, it'll get your attention.
:
: I now wrap my bag with aluminum foil because I'm pretty sure it'll
: block neutrinos
: and other signals.


You'll need a lump of lead two light-years thick to block a neutrino.

Maybe your balls are special.
Dan Riley
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:14 am
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The Master <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> writes:
Quote:
I know that sub-atomic particles like protons and electrons are made
up of three quarks each, as is a neutron. I no longer have my old
college physics book, so I cannot look it up myself, and I have so far
been unable to find a web reference to answer my question.

Protons and neutrons are composed of quarks, but not electrons;
electrons don't have any internal structure that we've observed.
So there's only three quarks in the initial and final states.

Quote:
That question is, when the three quarks of the electron and the three
quarks of the proton combine, creating a neutron... What sub-atomic
particle do the three "left over" quarks create? Is it a neutrino?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_and_Z_bosons

has a neutron decay diagram; electron capture by a proton is the same
process turned sideways. The proton and electron exchange a W boson,
turning the electron into a neutrino and one of the u quarks in the
proton into a d quark, which changes the proton into a neutron.

Quote:
Have they actually been discovered? Last time I knew, they were
theorized, but never actually "seen".

Neutrinos have been "seen". Since neutrinos interact very weakly
with normal matter, it takes a lot of mass to observe neutrino
interactions. One of my favorite neutrino observatories used
photomultiplier tubes embedded in the Antarctic ice cap:

http://www.amanda.uci.edu/public_info.html

Also see the follow-on experiment,

http://www.icecube.wisc.edu/info/

And for a list of recent neutrino detectors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_detector

-dan
Y.y.Porat
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:52 am
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On Mar 15, 4:14 pm, Dan Riley <d...@mail.lns.cornell.edu> wrote:
Quote:
The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> writes:
I know that sub-atomic particles like protons and electrons are made
up of three quarks each, as is a neutron.  I no longer have my old
college physics book, so I cannot look it up myself, and I have so far
been unable to find a web reference to answer my question.

Protons and neutrons are composed of quarks, but not electrons;
electrons don't have any internal structure that we've observed.
So there's only three quarks in the initial and final states.

That question is, when the three quarks of the electron and the three
quarks of the proton combine, creating a neutron...  What sub-atomic
particle do the three "left over" quarks create?  Is it a neutrino?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_and_Z_bosons

has a neutron decay diagram; electron capture by a proton is the same
process turned sideways.  The proton and electron exchange a W boson,
turning the electron into a neutrino and one of the u quarks in the
proton into a d quark, which changes the proton into a neutron.

Have they actually been discovered?  Last time I knew, they were
theorized, but never actually "seen".

Neutrinos have been "seen".  Since neutrinos interact very weakly
with normal matter, it takes a lot of mass to observe neutrino
interactions.  One of my favorite neutrino observatories used
photomultiplier tubes embedded in the Antarctic ice cap:

http://www.amanda.uci.edu/public_info.html

Also see the follow-on experiment,

http://www.icecube.wisc.edu/info/

And for a list of recent neutrino detectors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_detector

-dan

-------------
wrong!

protons and Neutrons are not compsed only of '3 quarks"

th emass of 3 quarks is less than 10 percent of the P N
mass
the rest 90 percent of missing mass
is the 90 percent sameless ignorance of existing scince
people have to impertinace to say that the rest 90 percent missing
is ...

'glueons'
that no one really knowes to fill that abstart say
by any substancial reality or verification
just shamelsss mumble jumble

now listen carefully what old Catto tells you

the missing 90 percent ---is massive subparticles
(there is just one kind of mass !!
no relativistic and no schmelativistic!) --
--that are STILL UNKNOWN!!
so the differnce between real knowledge
and pretended knowledge (and impertinance )
is as far from our galaxy to the neighbouring galaxy !!
and the sonner serious scientists will realize it--
the better

ATB
Y.Porat
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Autymn D. C.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:46 am
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On Mar 13, 1:00 pm, "Cork Soaker" <sp...@themonkey.net.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
"GatherNoMoss" <saints2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:4f5186ee-8099-4d17-92f5-6c72ae59035b@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
: Speaking of neutrinos.....
:
: I know they interact weakly with ordinary matter....
:
: But every once in a while one does interact.
:
: A couple months ago one "interacted" with one of my nuts.....oh dang
: that hurt !
:
: I yelled out "Neutrino sum bitch !" and shook my fist toward the Sun
:
: Oh sure they have almost no mass......but traveling at almost light
: speed....yeah, it'll get your attention.
:
: I now wrap my bag with aluminum foil because I'm pretty sure it'll
: block neutrinos
: and other signals.

You'll need a lump of lead two light-years thick to block a neutrino.

Maybe your balls are special.

one neutrino, half of the time
Autymn D. C.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:00 am
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On Mar 20, 8:52 am, "Y.y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
wrong!

protons and Neutrons are not compsed only of '3 quarks"

th emass of 3 quarks is less than 10 percent of the P N
mass
the rest 90 percent of missing mass
is the 90 percent  sameless ignorance of existing scince
people have to impertinace to say that the rest 90 percent missing
is ...
'glueons'
that no one really knowes to fill that abstart say
by any substancial reality or verification
just  shamelsss  mumble jumble

Not quite gluòns, but gluonic compounds which are the same as heavy
quarks and neutral leptonic compounds: http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+Porat+leptòns.

Quote:
now listen carefully what old Catto tells you

the missing 90 percent  ---is massive subparticles
(there is just one kind of mass !!
no relativistic and no schmelativistic!) --

yes, one variant mass
 
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