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Weatherlawyer
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:22 pm
Guest
A few days back a poster made the remark that she was prohibited from
speaking freely by the laws of her state. I think it unconscionable
that anyone would have to live in such a country in this day and age.

It turns out that there is no such country:

Every now and again, an event comes along and takes our breath away by
reminding us just how far out of step the legal system can be with
today's changing world. The latest example is last week's attempt by a
federal judge in California to shutter Wikileaks, a website devoted to
disclosing confidential information that exposes unethical behavior.

Almost a week after US District Judge Jeffrey White unequivocally
ordered the disabling of the guerrilla outfit, it remains up, and its
foot soldiers are as defiant as ever. More to the point, it continues
to host internal documents purporting to prove that a bank located in
the Cayman Islands engaged in money laundering and tax evasion - the
same documents that landed it in hot water in the first place.

[Snipped ins and outs of the safeguard of the freedom some declare an
human right]

There's a name for arrangements such as these. It's called
"bulletproof hosting," and it's historically been used to insulate
online criminal gangs against take-down efforts by law enforcers or
private parties. As Wikileaks has demonstrated, the measure can also
be used by those engaging in civil disobedience. Wikileaks uses a
different term: "an uncensorable system for untraceable mass document
leaking."

All of this seems to have been lost on Judge White.

Last Friday, he issued a sweeping court order that directed Wikileaks
and a dizzying array of ISPs, DNS hosts and website server providers
to suspend all Wikileaks websites. White went so far as to extend his
directive to "all those in active concert or participation with the
Wikileaks defendants ... and all others who receive notice of this
order."

Given the number of internet users who have joined Wikileaks' cause
since learning of the case, the order could easily extend to tens of
thousands of people or groups, many of them well beyond the
jurisdictional reach of White's San Francisco-based court.

White's lack of internet savvy was in further evidence when he
directed that a copy of his order be emailed to Wikileaks within 24
hours of the issuance of his order. The only problem there was that
the suspending of Wikileaks.org prevented the organization's email
system from working.

[Is this oaf still in gainful employment? I thought Britain was the
last bastion for such neddies. OH!
I just realised that a chimpanzee has been hiring and firing all the
lawyers over there.]

A few days ago, nary a soul had heard of Julius Baer or Wikileaks.
Julius Baer's alleged money laundering has since gone mainstream
thanks to the order, which has generated an endless series of
headlines and provoked the ire of censorship opponents who have begun
spreading the internal documents on mirror sites and peer-to-peer
networks.

[And now the important bit:]

There are also perceived shortcomings in White's order. Specifically,
the directive disabling the entire site is perceived by some First
Amendment lawyers as a clear violation of free speech. And his
prohibition on the publishing of "any other new or additional yet
unpublished documents and data" that might belong to Julius Baer,
likely amounts to prior restraint, another constitutional no-no.

As Eric Goldman, a professor of Law at Santa Clara University and
author of the Technology and Marketing Law Blog, observes: "There's
simply no good remedy once confidential information hits the internet,
and that's very frustrating to judges who are used to solving
problems." Judge White, welcome to the internet age.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/21/wikileaks_bulletproof_hosting/
mirage
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:19 am
Guest
On Feb 21, 6:22 pm, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com>
inexplicably became a mirror site for theregister.com:
Quote:
snips

And this has what, precisely, to do with earthquakes? Really, do you
believe that because you have the word 'lawyer' in your handle, that
you are responsible for echoing law-related stories here? Sure, it's
a screwy world, but this is the forum for _earthquakes_, e-a-r-t-h-q-u-
a-k-e-s. If we want a screwy world story, we can go to that other
site you post to.

Or maybe you just misremembered to crosspost here. Would that you
could misremember more. Please. Please.

--mirage
Weatherlawyer
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:26 am
Guest
On Feb 23, 9:19 pm, mirage <mjohnso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 21, 6:22 pm, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com
inexplicably became a mirror site for theregister.com:

snips

And this has what, precisely, to do with earthquakes? Really, do you
believe that because you have the word 'lawyer' in your handle, that
you are responsible for echoing law-related stories here? Sure, it's
a screwy world, but this is the forum for _earthquakes_, e-a-r-t-h-q-u-
a-k-e-s. If we want a screwy world story, we can go to that other
site you post to.

Or maybe you just misremembered to crosspost here. Would that you
could misremember more. Please. Please.

Um.. no...
What was the question again?
Timberwoof
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:08 pm
Guest
In article
<8e0084a3-0aed-4db2-b4c6-fce720ede511@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Weatherlawyer <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Feb 23, 9:19 pm, mirage <mjohnso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Feb 21, 6:22 pm, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com
inexplicably became a mirror site for theregister.com:

snips

And this has what, precisely, to do with earthquakes? Really, do you
believe that because you have the word 'lawyer' in your handle, that
you are responsible for echoing law-related stories here? Sure, it's
a screwy world, but this is the forum for _earthquakes_, e-a-r-t-h-q-u-
a-k-e-s. If we want a screwy world story, we can go to that other
site you post to.

Or maybe you just misremembered to crosspost here. Would that you
could misremember more. Please. Please.

Um.. no...
What was the question again?

It was right there at the start of Mirage's paragraph: "And this has
what, precisely, to do with earthquakes?"

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Guest
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:39 pm
On 22 fév, 03:22, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
A few days back a poster made the remark that she was prohibited from
speaking freely by the laws of her state. I think it unconscionable
that anyone would have to live in such a country in this day and age.

It turns out that there is no such country:

Every now and again, an event comes along and takes our breath away by
reminding us just how far out of step the legal system can be with
today's changing world. The latest example is last week's attempt by a
federal judge in California to shutter Wikileaks, a website devoted to
disclosing confidential information that exposes unethical behavior.

Almost a week after US District Judge Jeffrey White unequivocally
ordered the disabling of the guerrilla outfit, it remains up, and its
foot soldiers are as defiant as ever. More to the point, it continues
to host internal documents purporting to prove that a bank located in
the Cayman Islands engaged in money laundering and tax evasion - the
same documents that landed it in hot water in the first place.

[Snipped ins and outs of the safeguard of the freedom some declare an
human right]

There's a name for arrangements such as these. It's called
"bulletproof hosting," and it's historically been used to insulate
online criminal gangs against take-down efforts by law enforcers or
private parties. As Wikileaks has demonstrated, the measure can also
be used by those engaging in civil disobedience. Wikileaks uses a
different term: "an uncensorable system for untraceable mass document
leaking."

All of this seems to have been lost on Judge White.

Last Friday, he issued a sweeping court order that directed Wikileaks
and a dizzying array of ISPs, DNS hosts and website server providers
to suspend all Wikileaks websites. White went so far as to extend his
directive to "all those in active concert or participation with the
Wikileaks defendants ... and all others who receive notice of this
order."

Given the number of internet users who have joined Wikileaks' cause
since learning of the case, the order could easily extend to tens of
thousands of people or groups, many of them well beyond the
jurisdictional reach of White's San Francisco-based court.

White's lack of internet savvy was in further evidence when he
directed that a copy of his order be emailed to Wikileaks within 24
hours of the issuance of his order. The only problem there was that
the suspending of Wikileaks.org prevented the organization's email
system from working.

[Is this oaf still in gainful employment? I thought Britain was the
last bastion for such neddies. OH!
I just realised that a chimpanzee has been hiring and firing all the
lawyers over there.]

A few days ago, nary a soul had heard of Julius Baer or Wikileaks.
Julius Baer's alleged money laundering has since gone mainstream
thanks to the order, which has generated an endless series of
headlines and provoked the ire of censorship opponents who have begun
spreading the internal documents on mirror sites and peer-to-peer
networks.

[And now the important bit:]

There are also perceived shortcomings in White's order. Specifically,
the directive disabling the entire site is perceived by some First
Amendment lawyers as a clear violation of free speech. And his
prohibition on the publishing of "any other new or additional yet
unpublished documents and data" that might belong to Julius Baer,
likely amounts to prior restraint, another constitutional no-no.

As Eric Goldman, a professor of Law at Santa Clara University and
author of the Technology and Marketing Law Blog, observes: "There's
simply no good remedy once confidential information hits the internet,
and that's very frustrating to judges who are used to solving
problems." Judge White, welcome to the internet age.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/21/wikileaks_bulletproof_hosting/

Thank you for the info & so well related to Earthquakes. Indeed since
Earthquakes are connected to Earth Expansion ( a special case of
Planetary Expansion) & hence to some real accelerated, drift of that
planet in the direction of Mars due to Mankind ' s bad husbandry of
such, it was important to pont out the derisive attempt of the
Establishment to supppress information relative to banking laundering
as it is the case with other cover up relative to fraudulent Geology,
fraudulent Medecine ( vaccines, drugs) fraudulent Agriculture with GMO
& pesticides etc

... the Truth still manages to surface at that end, although in the
case of EE related Earthquakes & Global Warming it might be too late

Congratulations on your independence of mind.

jpturcaud
Weatherlawyer
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:00 pm
Guest
On Feb 23, 11:08 pm, Timberwoof
<timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
Quote:
In article
8e0084a3-0aed-4db2-b4c6-fce720ede...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,



Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 23, 9:19 pm, mirage <mjohnso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Feb 21, 6:22 pm, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com
inexplicably became a mirror site for theregister.com:

snips

And this has what, precisely, to do with earthquakes? Really, do you
believe that because you have the word 'lawyer' in your handle, that
you are responsible for echoing law-related stories here? Sure, it's
a screwy world, but this is the forum for _earthquakes_, e-a-r-t-h-q-u-
a-k-e-s. If we want a screwy world story, we can go to that other
site you post to.

Or maybe you just misremembered to crosspost here. Would that you
could misremember more. Please. Please.

Um.. no...
What was the question again?

It was right there at the start of Mirage's paragraph: "And this has
what, precisely, to do with earthquakes?"

What was?

It isn't my fault that the poster has no grasp of paragraph spacing
but it does seem to me an ethic Californians impose on the rest of the
world that if they don't like what someone says, they want to cl;ose
down everything to do with it and its neighbours.

Fortunately not all our controllers are emplaced by a chimpanzee.
However I do use Google and they are based in California. I dare say
you could try your hand at a court gagging order.

It seems to me that some posters on here, conscious of the
shortcomings of their own efforts to create anything useful about
earthquakes, endeavour to curtail any frank discussion for fear of
what might be uncovered.

Perhaps they are related to the multimillion dollar seismic industry
in some way and desire to protect it from offenders pointing out that
rather than issue good advice, most of their efforts past delivering
newsflashes, seems to be misguiding the rest of the world.

Perhaps their reliance of taxes and handouts motivates them or perhaps
they are just stuffed dolls with speaking apparatus that only have the
standard implants to say.

How about you?

Have you anything original inside you?

******
Somewhat of topic but why not:

"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me can't get fooled again!"
http://www.peacecandy.com/gwbush/dishonestdubya/
mirage
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:12 am
Guest
Man, oh, man. Turcaud and Weatherlawyer teaming together in the same
ring! I remind you both that you are known by the company you keep.

Of course, you will ignore this advice, but you should each really
think twice before defending your partner's ideas. But that's just my
opinion.

This is great!

--mirage

(Let the mutual homage begin!)
Weatherlawyer
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:27 am
Guest
On Feb 24, 8:12 pm, mirage <mjohnso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
Man, oh, man. Turcaud and Weatherlawyer teaming together in the same
ring! I remind you both that you are known by the company you keep.

Of course, you will ignore this advice, but you should each really
think twice before defending your partner's ideas. But that's just my
opinion.

This is great!

--mirage

(Let the mutual homage begin!)

And your excuse for posting is?
Skywise
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:26 pm
Guest
mirage <mjohnson37@earthlink.net> wrote in news:9f046901-1f60-42bf-93c1-
e3319e5768e9@j28g2000hsj.googlegroups.com:

Quote:
(Let the mutual homage begin!)

OHhhhhh...I could say something here....but I better not.

I might get labeled.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Timberwoof
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:11 pm
Guest
In article <13s3o8u8rs68132@corp.supernews.com>,
Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:

Quote:
mirage <mjohnson37@earthlink.net> wrote in news:9f046901-1f60-42bf-93c1-
e3319e5768e9@j28g2000hsj.googlegroups.com:

(Let the mutual homage begin!)

OHhhhhh...I could say something here....but I better not.

I might get labeled.

Labels are not evil; they're just misunderstood nouns and adjectives.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Skywise
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:06 pm
Guest
Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote in
news:timberwoof.spam-609F4F.17110224022008@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net:

Quote:
In article <13s3o8u8rs68132@corp.supernews.com>,
Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:

mirage <mjohnson37@earthlink.net> wrote in news:9f046901-1f60-42bf-93c1-
e3319e5768e9@j28g2000hsj.googlegroups.com:

(Let the mutual homage begin!)

OHhhhhh...I could say something here....but I better not.

I might get labeled.

Labels are not evil; they're just misunderstood nouns and adjectives.

Yes, but it would have been politically incorrect. I mean, I would
have only meant it as humor, but I would have gotten labelled just
the same.

But I have since come up with another one.....

JP and WL should get a room.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Guest
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:44 pm
In article <13s4c4rgl53k638@corp.supernews.com>,
Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:

Quote:
JP and WL should get a room.

You think they're trying to breed?
Skywise
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:19 am
Guest
ellis@no.spam () wrote in news:1203911049.221808@no.spam:

Quote:
In article <13s4c4rgl53k638@corp.supernews.com>,
Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:

JP and WL should get a room.

You think they're trying to breed?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I can only wonder what sort of lovechild that union would spawn.

Fortunately it can't happen...unless there's something about one
of these two we don't (want to) know.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
mirage
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:17 pm
Guest
On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
snip
And your excuse for posting is?

And thank you for asking. I posted it to show you that an interesting
subject can elicit responses from others. I thought it would be
helpful to do this since you have not heretofore seemed to comprehend
this fact. I suppose I hoped you could apply this newfound knowledge
to your inevitably off-topic meteorological messages. They may be
fascinating to those who are interested in such things, but such
meteorologically-oriented readers are not here. That is why you have
to respond to your own messages.

The longest sequence of Weatherlawyer responses to Weatherlawyer
original posts that I could find was a string of 17 messages that you
wrote to yourself without anyone else intruding in your communications
loop. Do you wonder why no one intrudes? It's because your subject
matter is uninteresting and irrelevant to the readers of this board.
Take it to the weather boards; there are likely readers there who
would find your theories and observations fascinating. But such
readers are not here.

Seriously, wouldn't you _like_ to post in a forum where you could have
an intelligent conversation with someone (who is not you) who is
interested in your topic? In not, can you explain your obsession with
posting to this specific group, which just runs you through their
killfile filters and treats you as a dope? What is your explanation,
since you're not posting on the meteo groups, for selecting
sci.geo.earthquakes for your off-topicness? Why not
alt.rec.literature? (Or are you here for the abuse? Even that would
be cool if you didn't get so upset when you received the treatment you
came for. Not that your upsetness bothers anyone here.)

--mirage
Guest
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:52 pm
In article <13s4l7ie3k2p08e@corp.supernews.com>,
Skywise <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:

Quote:
JP and WL should get a room.

You think they're trying to breed?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I can only wonder what sort of lovechild that union would spawn.

I could suggest a name...no, I'd better not ;)

Quote:
Fortunately it can't happen...unless there's something about one
of these two we don't (want to) know.

While true in the past I wouldn't count on it with today's
technology.
 
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