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calderhome@yahoo.com
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:21 pm
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The biofuels fad is causing havoc and misery around the world. The
United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) states that
global food prices rose 40% in 2007 alone, in large part because of
biofuel production. Farming contributes more to global warming each
year than all forms of motorized transportation combined, because
nitrogen fertilizers react with the soil to produce nitrous oxide, a
greenhouse gas 296 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. Biofuel
crop farming and production is actually speeding global warming
instead of slowing it. Farmers are burning down rainforests all over
the world to produce more crops because Americans and Europeans give
them the economic incentive by pumping up grain prices due to biofuel
production. Biofuels cost more (fuel cost + food cost + water lost to
irrigation + environmental damage) and destroy the environment faster
than using oil.

Overview - "Biofuels are causing a world food crisis!" -
http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html

Biofuel news stories - http://home.att.net/~meditation/biofuel-news.html

Technical data - "Biofuels: an unfolding disaster" (pdf 514kb)
http://www.biofuelwatch.org.uk/docs/ECOS-6-5.pdf

See article about Honda's 08 hydrogen vehicle. Make hydrogen fuel
from nuclear energy and stop global warming.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-05-10-honda-fuel-cell_N.htm?csp=34#Close

The biofuel food price spiral has just begun, and this will turn into
a big political scandal like the Iraq War.

Christopher Calder
frank87
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:39 pm
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On 2008-02-03, calderhome@yahoo.com <calderhome@yahoo.com> expressed:
Quote:
The biofuels fad is causing havoc and misery around the world. The
United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) states that
global food prices rose 40% in 2007 alone, in large part because of
biofuel production.

This raise of food prices make agriculture profitable again. So food
production will grow in the end.

European farmers can't produce food for people, living on 1$ a day. They
can produce food for cars that pay 0.1$ a km. You can't blame them for
the strange fact that people in China do 10 times the work for the same
dollar (or euro).

Higher food prices are a good thing because the poor people produce a
lot of food (they can't buy it with that dollar a day).

Greetings,
Frank
Larry Caldwell
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:38 pm
Guest
In article <2a6391b8-99b8-44a1-870b-d1b9c395eff6
@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, calderhome@yahoo.com
(calderhome@yahoo.com) says...
Quote:
The biofuels fad is causing havoc and misery around the world. The
United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) states that
global food prices rose 40% in 2007 alone, in large part because of
biofuel production. Farming contributes more to global warming each
year than all forms of motorized transportation combined, because
nitrogen fertilizers react with the soil to produce nitrous oxide, a
greenhouse gas 296 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. Biofuel
crop farming and production is actually speeding global warming
instead of slowing it. Farmers are burning down rainforests all over
the world to produce more crops because Americans and Europeans give
them the economic incentive by pumping up grain prices due to biofuel
production. Biofuels cost more (fuel cost + food cost + water lost to
irrigation + environmental damage) and destroy the environment faster
than using oil.

The runup in food costs has been caused by 6.65 billion people who all
want to eat. The population keeps growing. We have no choice but to
clear all the forests and exterminate all the wildlife, if we want to
feed people. We are headed inexorably toward a world populated by
people, domestic animals and vermin.

Of course, someone could address the population problem, but that is
politically unpopular.

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Dean Hoffman
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:33 pm
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
Quote:
In article <2a6391b8-99b8-44a1-870b-d1b9c395eff6
@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, calderhome@yahoo.com
(calderhome@yahoo.com) says...
The biofuels fad is causing havoc and misery around the world. The
United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) states that
global food prices rose 40% in 2007 alone, in large part because of
biofuel production. Farming contributes more to global warming each
year than all forms of motorized transportation combined, because
nitrogen fertilizers react with the soil to produce nitrous oxide, a
greenhouse gas 296 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. Biofuel
crop farming and production is actually speeding global warming
instead of slowing it. Farmers are burning down rainforests all over
the world to produce more crops because Americans and Europeans give
them the economic incentive by pumping up grain prices due to biofuel
production. Biofuels cost more (fuel cost + food cost + water lost to
irrigation + environmental damage) and destroy the environment faster
than using oil.

The runup in food costs has been caused by 6.65 billion people who all
want to eat. The population keeps growing. We have no choice but to
clear all the forests and exterminate all the wildlife, if we want to
feed people. We are headed inexorably toward a world populated by
people, domestic animals and vermin.

Of course, someone could address the population problem, but that is
politically unpopular.


There seem to be a lot of people buying into the argument about
ethanol fuel use making people starve. One columnist claimed that food
prices doubled since crop prices doubled. There's what, maybe a dime's
worth of wheat in a loaf of bread now?

Dean
Larry Caldwell
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:34 am
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In article <1203895470_3023@isp.n>, Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine
$br#as&ka.com"> (Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">) says...

Quote:
There seem to be a lot of people buying into the argument about
ethanol fuel use making people starve. One columnist claimed that food
prices doubled since crop prices doubled. There's what, maybe a dime's
worth of wheat in a loaf of bread now?

There is no doubt that ethanol production is a market for corn, but the
remnant brewers grains can be used as cattle feed, and cows can utilize
other sources of carbohydrates. The primary cause for the rise in
commodity prices in the USA is the drop in the US dollar, which has
returned US commodities to the world markets. While the dollar price of
grain has risen rapidly, the dollar itself has lost 40% of its value.
That $10 a bushel wheat is actually only $6 a bushel, far below historic
high prices. The parity price (there's a term I bet you haven't heard
in a while) would be well over $20 a bushel. Parity price is the
average US commodity price between 1919 and 1926, adjusted for
inflation.

Prices still haven't risen far enough to keep farms from disappearing.
Urban sprawl has slowed, but in the USA alone has taken 300 million
acres of fertile land out of production since WWII. 30 million of those
acres disappeared beneath asphalt and concrete, destroying its
ecological potential forever. A few voices mentioned that, with
expanding population, we were going to need those 300 million acres to
feed people, but they were ignored. Even now, many states still allow
unrestricted urban sprawl.

Even with profitable prices, farms are disappearing because two
generations of farmers have been forced off the farm by underpriced
commodities. If you want to be a farmer, buy shares in corporate farms.
They own most of the remaining land.


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frank87
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:25 pm
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On 2008-02-25, Larry Caldwell <firstnamelastinitial@peaksky.com> expressed:
Quote:
In article <1203895470_3023@isp.n>, Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine
$br#as&ka.com"> (Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">) says...

There seem to be a lot of people buying into the argument about
ethanol fuel use making people starve. One columnist claimed that food
prices doubled since crop prices doubled. There's what, maybe a dime's
worth of wheat in a loaf of bread now?

There is no doubt that ethanol production is a market for corn, but the
remnant brewers grains can be used as cattle feed, and cows can utilize
other sources of carbohydrates. The primary cause for the rise in
commodity prices in the USA is the drop in the US dollar, which has

No, it isn't. The rise is real in expensive euro's. The primary cause is
the growing wealt of India and China, cuasing more demand.

I the past, they weren't able to buy american (or european) food. Now
they can.

Greetings,
Frank
Dean Hoffman
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:11 pm
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
Quote:
In article <1203895470_3023@isp.n>, Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine
$br#as&ka.com"> (Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">) says...

There seem to be a lot of people buying into the argument about
ethanol fuel use making people starve. One columnist claimed that food
prices doubled since crop prices doubled. There's what, maybe a dime's
worth of wheat in a loaf of bread now?

There is no doubt that ethanol production is a market for corn, but the
remnant brewers grains can be used as cattle feed, and cows can utilize
other sources of carbohydrates. The primary cause for the rise in
commodity prices in the USA is the drop in the US dollar, which has
returned US commodities to the world markets. While the dollar price of
grain has risen rapidly, the dollar itself has lost 40% of its value.
That $10 a bushel wheat is actually only $6 a bushel, far below historic
high prices. The parity price (there's a term I bet you haven't heard
in a while) would be well over $20 a bushel. Parity price is the
average US commodity price between 1919 and 1926, adjusted for
inflation.

Prices still haven't risen far enough to keep farms from disappearing.
Urban sprawl has slowed, but in the USA alone has taken 300 million
acres of fertile land out of production since WWII. 30 million of those
acres disappeared beneath asphalt and concrete, destroying its
ecological potential forever. A few voices mentioned that, with
expanding population, we were going to need those 300 million acres to
feed people, but they were ignored. Even now, many states still allow
unrestricted urban sprawl.

Even with profitable prices, farms are disappearing because two
generations of farmers have been forced off the farm by underpriced
commodities. If you want to be a farmer, buy shares in corporate farms.
They own most of the remaining land.


The last I heard about parity was probably back in the 1970s. It

might've been back when the American Ag Movement was going. Remember
the tractorcade to Washington, DC?
I think farms would be disappearing regardless of the crop prices.
Farmers are getting so much more efficient with bigger equipment and
less tillage to raise a crop. Farm numbers have been decreasing
steadily since about 1910 if I remember correctly.
Irrigation was a roadblock to bigger farms in my area for awhile.
One man
could check only about so many wells with furrow irrigation. Center
pivots eased the manpower problem. Now a farmer can irrigate from the
comfort of his Lazy Boy if he wants.


Dean
Larry Caldwell
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:48 am
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In article <slrnfsbhq3.r7v.frank87@frank.lan>, frank87@xs4all.nl
(frank87) says...

Quote:
No, it isn't. The rise is real in expensive euro's. The primary cause is
the growing wealt of India and China, cuasing more demand.

I the past, they weren't able to buy american (or european) food. Now
they can.

China and India have certainly joined the world community. Thanks to
Norman Borlaug, China actually became a net food exporter in the 1980s.
However, population growth quickly outstripped the green revolution.
China has had a bad weather year. It's not clear yet how that will
affect food production, but there will be some loss. They are already
buying heavily in the USA, and can afford it.

The runup in wheat prices has been caused by drought in Australia that
has cut Australian production by 75%. Argentina has instituted export
restrictions to assure that they have enough wheat for domestic
production. That has put a lot of pressure on US supplies, which don't
look all that expensive with the drop in the dollar. My family just
sold wheat in Portland at almost $13 a bushel. That sounds like a lot,
but we were selling wheat for $6 a bushel in the late 1970s, when the
dollar was worth 3x what it is worth now.

Farmers in the midwest can double crop winter wheat and soybeans. With
wheat and soybean prices looking pretty good, some of them are taking
acreage out of corn. That pushes up corn futures. Essentially, end
users are having to bid for acreage on the futures market. Prices will
certainly come back down, as rains return to drought areas, and other
countries bring acreage online. Brazil is plowing under rain forest at
a great rate, and may harvest a record crop of soybeans, which means
prices will drop and farmers will move back into corn. Two years from
now, the USA may be sitting on a mountain of corn, and processing as
much as possible into ethanol.

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