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| AMac |
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:50 pm |
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We are setting up production to glue part of the loud speaker plastic
bracket to the speaker vibrating film together.
One part of plastic bracket is glue to nylon powder coated metal housing.
Another part of this plastic bracket is glue to vibrating polyester plastic
film.
Which adhesive supplier would you recommend?
Can you advise what is good adhesive for this application?
Thank you for your advises. |
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| Brian Whatcott |
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:11 pm |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:50:49 GMT, "AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com> wrote:
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We are setting up production to glue part of the loud speaker plastic
bracket to the speaker vibrating film together.
One part of plastic bracket is glue to nylon powder coated metal housing.
Another part of this plastic bracket is glue to vibrating polyester plastic
film.
Which adhesive supplier would you recommend?
Can you advise what is good adhesive for this application?
Thank you for your advises.
You want to glue a plastic bracket to a nylon powder coat and also
glue a plastic bracket to a polyester film.
There seems to be a little something missing from your description of
the glue surfaces.
Care to share it with us?
Brian W |
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| AMac |
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:48 pm |
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"Brian Whatcott" <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1f2qj3t9dsc01457c5np0e9kb5he64nntc@4ax.com...
Quote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:50:49 GMT, "AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com> wrote:
You want to glue a plastic bracket to a nylon powder coat and also
glue a plastic bracket to a polyester film.
There seems to be a little something missing from your description of
the glue surfaces.
Care to share it with us?
Brian W
Brian, actually, this is the same plastic bracket in between. One side of
bracket is glued to Nylon powder coated steel housing. The othe side of
bracket is glued to vibriating polyester film.
We are seeking the right kind adhesive for production to apply on both side
of this plastic bracket. |
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| Mark Thorson |
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:11 pm |
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AMac wrote:
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We are setting up production to glue part of the loud speaker plastic
bracket to the speaker vibrating film together.
One part of plastic bracket is glue to nylon powder coated metal housing.
Another part of this plastic bracket is glue to vibrating polyester plastic
film.
Which adhesive supplier would you recommend?
Any reason not to use ultrasonic welding? |
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| Brian Whatcott |
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:39 pm |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:48:53 GMT, "AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com> wrote:
Quote: "Brian Whatcott" <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1f2qj3t9dsc01457c5np0e9kb5he64nntc@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:50:49 GMT, "AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com> wrote:
You want to glue a plastic bracket to a nylon powder coat and also
glue a plastic bracket to a polyester film.
There seems to be a little something missing from your description of
the glue surfaces.
Care to share it with us?
Brian W
Brian, actually, this is the same plastic bracket in between. One side of
bracket is glued to Nylon powder coated steel housing. The othe side of
bracket is glued to vibriating polyester film.
We are seeking the right kind adhesive for production to apply on both side
of this plastic bracket.
Ah, I see I was too oblique: you mentioned the plastic polyester film,
and the plastic nylon powder coat, but not the plastic of which the
bracket is made. There are solvent glues, hot glues and reactive or
two part glues. You have doubtless already tested epoxy, hot glue,
instant glue, and foam polyurethane of the kinds you can buy in a
hardware store. Plastics are difficult - a mechanically abraded
surface can help the bond.
Brian W |
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| Mark Thorson |
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:58 am |
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Brian Whatcott wrote:
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Ah, I see I was too oblique: you mentioned the plastic polyester film,
and the plastic nylon powder coat, but not the plastic of which the
bracket is made. There are solvent glues, hot glues and reactive or
two part glues. You have doubtless already tested epoxy, hot glue,
instant glue, and foam polyurethane of the kinds you can buy in a
hardware store. Plastics are difficult - a mechanically abraded
surface can help the bond.
That's why I suggested ultrasonic welding.
One of its strength is bonding dissimilar
plastic. |
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| AMac |
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:56 am |
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"Brian Whatcott" <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Quote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:48:53 GMT, "AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com> wrote:
"Brian Whatcott" <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1f2qj3t9dsc01457c5np0e9kb5he64nntc@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:50:49 GMT, "AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com> wrote:
Ah, I see I was too oblique: you mentioned the plastic polyester film,
and the plastic nylon powder coat, but not the plastic of which the
bracket is made. There are solvent glues, hot glues and reactive or
two part glues. You have doubtless already tested epoxy, hot glue,
instant glue, and foam polyurethane of the kinds you can buy in a
hardware store. Plastics are difficult - a mechanically abraded
surface can help the bond.
Brian W
The steel housing has nylon powder coating.
The plastic bracket is ABS.
The vibrating film is PET polyester film.
These three material are sandwiched together.
The glue areas is much too large for welding. Also, do not allow for one to
one welding. |
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| Rolf Wissmann |
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:21 am |
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Depends on how much mechanical load is actually applied to these two
interfaces, but I doubt that you can achieve a decent adhesion with any
affordable glue, because PA-ABS and ABS-PET are too dissimilar plastic
combinations!
Is perhaps mechanical assembly a choise for you, like screws, rivets,
clamps, snap fittings etc...?
AMac wrote:
Quote: "Brian Whatcott" <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:mtjsj396727pbp40b5ihdjgdqajifte081@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:48:53 GMT, "AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com
wrote:
"Brian Whatcott" <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1f2qj3t9dsc01457c5np0e9kb5he64nntc@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:50:49 GMT, "AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com
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Ah, I see I was too oblique: you mentioned the plastic polyester
film, and the plastic nylon powder coat, but not the plastic of
which the bracket is made. There are solvent glues, hot glues and
reactive or two part glues. You have doubtless already tested
epoxy, hot glue, instant glue, and foam polyurethane of the kinds
you can buy in a hardware store. Plastics are difficult - a
mechanically abraded surface can help the bond.
Brian W
The steel housing has nylon powder coating.
The plastic bracket is ABS.
The vibrating film is PET polyester film.
These three material are sandwiched together.
The glue areas is much too large for welding. Also, do not allow for
one to one welding. |
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| Charly Coughran |
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:38 am |
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"AMac" <no.spame@no.spam.com> wrote in
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Quote: "Rolf Wissmann" <RolfWissmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
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Depends on how much mechanical load is actually applied to these
two interfaces, but I doubt that you can achieve a decent adhesion
with any affordable glue, because PA-ABS and ABS-PET are too
dissimilar plastic combinations!
Is perhaps mechanical assembly a choise for you, like screws,
rivets, clamps, snap fittings etc...?
No, I am told we must use glue.
Any mechanical assembly will distort the reproduction of sound.
Where can I find out more about glue os ABS-PET and ABS to Nylon?
What is PA, Nylon powder?
At this point, I would go to an adhesives supplier or manufacturer. For
example go to the 3M site, go to contact 3M, and ask if they supply
anything that will do the job. Also ask if there is an adhesive that
will bond your primary substrates to a third substrate. You could then
use an intermediate ring to form the bond.
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| AMac |
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:11 pm |
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"Rolf Wissmann" <RolfWissmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
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Quote: Depends on how much mechanical load is actually applied to these two
interfaces, but I doubt that you can achieve a decent adhesion with any
affordable glue, because PA-ABS and ABS-PET are too dissimilar plastic
combinations!
Is perhaps mechanical assembly a choise for you, like screws, rivets,
clamps, snap fittings etc...?
No, I am told we must use glue.
Any mechanical assembly will distort the reproduction of sound.
Where can I find out more about glue os ABS-PET and ABS to Nylon?
What is PA, Nylon powder? |
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| Brian Whatcott |
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:21 pm |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:38:29 +0000 (UTC), Charly Coughran
<ccoughran@REMOVE-TO-DELETE-UCSD.EDU> wrote:
Quote: Is perhaps mechanical assembly a choise for you, like screws,
rivets, clamps, snap fittings etc...?
No, I am told we must use glue.
Any mechanical assembly will distort the reproduction of sound.
Where can I find out more about glue os ABS-PET and ABS to Nylon?
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Quote: At this point, I would go to an adhesives supplier or manufacturer. For
example go to the 3M site, go to contact 3M, and ask if they supply
anything that will do the job. Also ask if there is an adhesive that
will bond your primary substrates to a third substrate. You could then
use an intermediate ring to form the bond.
Two sensible suggestions right there! But gluing something to a
speaker cone will distort the sound as well.....
Brian W |
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| Rolf Wissmann |
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:00 am |
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PA stands for polyamide, so does Nylon. The type of polyamide used for
powder coating is mostly polyamide 11, sometimes it is polyamide 6-12. Find
more on powder coating here ->
http://www.specialchem4coatings.com/tc/powder-coatings/index.aspx?id=
On adhesives, for example, see:
http://www.dymax.com/products/index.php
http://www.dymax.com/products/plastic/plastic_substrate_selector.php
http://www.specialchem4adhesives.com/index.aspx
http://www.omnexus4adhesives.com/index.aspx
AMac wrote:
Quote: "Rolf Wissmann" <RolfWissmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:fhrrmr$qql$02$1@news.t-online.com...
Depends on how much mechanical load is actually applied to these two
interfaces, but I doubt that you can achieve a decent adhesion with
any affordable glue, because PA-ABS and ABS-PET are too dissimilar
plastic combinations!
Is perhaps mechanical assembly a choise for you, like screws, rivets,
clamps, snap fittings etc...?
No, I am told we must use glue.
Any mechanical assembly will distort the reproduction of sound.
Where can I find out more about glue os ABS-PET and ABS to Nylon?
What is PA, Nylon powder? |
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| P.C. |
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:10 pm |
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On Nov 16, 2:50 am, "AMac" <no.sp...@no.spam.com> wrote:
Quote: We are setting up production to glue part of the loud speaker plastic
bracket to the speaker vibrating film together.
One part of plastic bracket is glue to nylon powder coated metal housing.
Another part of this plastic bracket is glue to vibrating polyester plastic
film.
Which adhesive supplier would you recommend?
Can you advise what is good adhesive for this application?
Thank you for your advises.
Case there was a hole right thru , would there be room for a cast
rivit ? |
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| Guest |
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:45 pm |
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We sell hot melt coating machine.
Our website:http://hzcoating.en.alibaba.com/
On 11月21日, 上午6时10分, "P.C." <per.cor...@privat.dk> wrote:
Quote: On Nov 16, 2:50 am, "AMac" <no.sp...@no.spam.com> wrote:
We are setting up production to glue part of the loud speaker plastic
bracket to the speaker vibrating film together.
One part of plastic bracket is glue to nylon powder coated metal housing..
Another part of this plastic bracket is glue to vibrating polyester plastic
film.
Whichadhesivesupplier would you recommend?
Can you advise what is goodadhesivefor this application?
Thank you for your advises.
Case there was a hole right thru , would there be room for a cast
rivit ? |
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