My question, is it possible/feasible to capture electrons and entrain them
into a circuit via the above means?
Thank you for your patience and consideration,

On Nov 25, 12:46 am, "Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au
wrote:

My question, is it possible/feasible to capture electrons and entrain
them
into a circuit via the above means?
Thank you for your patience and consideration,

You seem to misunderstand what is going on. In answer to your
question, if you ask is it possible to build a plasma probe to measure
a discharge, the answer is obviously, yes you can. If you are asking
can a "free energy" machine be built using the negative resistance of
a plasma discharge characteristic, the answer is no it can't.
Remember that say the cathode supplies just one electron to start the
avalance, but also must supply all the REST of the electrons that form
the heavy current as the avalanche is underway. Basically the system
is a switch. So can a switch supply current to a circuit? Yes it can.
But does a switch supply energy like a battery? No it doesn't.



With all due respect Benj, the initial avalanche is formed within the gas

On Nov 25, 12:46 am, "Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au
wrote:

My question, is it possible/feasible to capture electrons and entrain
them
into a circuit via the above means?
Thank you for your patience and consideration,

You seem to misunderstand what is going on. In answer to your
question, if you ask is it possible to build a plasma probe to measure
a discharge, the answer is obviously, yes you can. If you are asking
can a "free energy" machine be built using the negative resistance of
a plasma discharge characteristic, the answer is no it can't.
Remember that say the cathode supplies just one electron to start the
avalance, but also must supply all the REST of the electrons that form
the heavy current as the avalanche is underway. Basically the system
is a switch. So can a switch supply current to a circuit? Yes it can.
But does a switch supply energy like a battery? No it doesn't.



I should have mentioned that the plasma arc is to be extinguished either

"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 25, 12:46 am, "Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au
wrote:

My question, is it possible/feasible to capture electrons and entrain
them
into a circuit via the above means?
Thank you for your patience and consideration,

You seem to misunderstand what is going on. In answer to your
question, if you ask is it possible to build a plasma probe to measure
a discharge, the answer is obviously, yes you can. If you are asking
can a "free energy" machine be built using the negative resistance of
a plasma discharge characteristic, the answer is no it can't.
Remember that say the cathode supplies just one electron to start the
avalance, but also must supply all the REST of the electrons that form
the heavy current as the avalanche is underway. Basically the system
is a switch. So can a switch supply current to a circuit? Yes it can.
But does a switch supply energy like a battery? No it doesn't.



With all due respect Benj, the initial avalanche is formed within the gas
via collision and uv photoelectric effects, with only the initial electron
being supplied via the cathode, and sometimes that via photoelectric
effect
also. If the gap is quenched [before] the flow begins, or very very soon
thereafter, what then?
Are you familiar with the work of Loeb and Meek?
Leonard B Loeb, Professor of Physics ,University of California at
Berkeley;
and John M Meek, Research Engineer; Publisher: Stanford University,
Calif.,
Stanford University Press, 1941.
Regards,
Vince Morgan


Ooops, sorry. Forgot the name of the document.

Are you familiar with the work of Loeb and Meek?
Leonard B Loeb, Professor of Physics ,University of California at
Berkeley;
and John M Meek, Research Engineer; Publisher: Stanford University,
Calif.,
Stanford University Press, 1941.

Regards,
Vince Morgan

Hi,
First I should mention that my knowlege of electomagnetics is
somewhat limited. In fact I think it could all be written onto the back of
a postage stamp with a lipstick. A hobbyist at best.
A few weeks ago I read some interesting stuff regarding recent experiments
with pulsed multiple [up to 3] series spark gaps(I conside the number
irrelevent). The working voltage was around 400v. The experiments were
not carried out stringently but carefully enough to offer [some] confidence
in the results. The experimenter concluded that an apparent current gain
via the spark gap was evidence of negative resistance.
Personaly I was not realy surprised to read that there was an apparent
current gain, and I would like to explaine why.
By spark gap, I mean two electrodes sepperated by air.
If a potential is applied to both electrodes an E field forms in this gap.
There is at first streamer formation from the anode, followed shortly
thereafter by avalanche. From what I've read the avalanche may be initiated
by only 1 electron supplied via the cathode or via photoelectric effects
within the air itself. In a few nonoseconds there are millions of free
electrons involved.
My thoughts regarding current gain have been along these lines. If the
potential is applied, and in about 50 nanos, or less after spark formation
the gap is quenched very rapidly then it may be possible to capture these
free electrons, entraining them into the circuit.
I know that many/most of the electrons produced via uv and collisions in
this avalanche will be recaptured via electro negative gas molecules, but
some will certainly make it to the anode.
The way I am seeing it, maintaining a potential requires very little/no
work. If the cathode only looses one electron then it is the anode's
potential, or part thereof, that needs to be re-established. If that is
true then one would expect a current gain via a pulsed spark gap of
extremely short spark duration, without regard for other losses.
There are other areas in spark gaps that interest me also, such as the
radiation released on recombination at the anode etc, not xrays. But that
is another topic I think.
My question, is it possible/feasible to capture electrons and entrain them
into a circuit via the above means?
Thank you for your patience and consideration,
Vince Morgan

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"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 25, 12:46 am, "Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au
wrote:

My question, is it possible/feasible to capture electrons and entrain
them
into a circuit via the above means?
Thank you for your patience and consideration,

You seem to misunderstand what is going on. In answer to your
question, if you ask is it possible to build a plasma probe to measure
a discharge, the answer is obviously, yes you can. If you are asking
can a "free energy" machine be built using the negative resistance of
a plasma discharge characteristic, the answer is no it can't.
Remember that say the cathode supplies just one electron to start the
avalance, but also must supply all the REST of the electrons that form
the heavy current as the avalanche is underway. Basically the system
is a switch. So can a switch supply current to a circuit? Yes it can.
But does a switch supply energy like a battery? No it doesn't.



With all due respect Benj, the initial avalanche is formed within the gas
via collision and uv photoelectric effects, with only the initial
electron
being supplied via the cathode, and sometimes that via photoelectric
effect
also. If the gap is quenched [before] the flow begins, or very very soon
thereafter, what then?
Are you familiar with the work of Loeb and Meek?
Leonard B Loeb, Professor of Physics ,University of California at
Berkeley;
and John M Meek, Research Engineer; Publisher: Stanford University,
Calif.,
Stanford University Press, 1941.
Regards,
Vince Morgan


Ooops, sorry. Forgot the name of the document.

The mechanism of the electric spark
by: Leonard B Loeb, Professor of Physics ,University of California at
Berkeley; and John M Meek, Research Engineer; Publisher: Stanford
University, Calif., Stanford University Press, 1941.

I should have mentioned that the plasma arc is to be extinguished either
immediately after it's formation, or better still, just prior to it's
its

establishment.