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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Markets/Stocks/Analysis/The_year_of_financial_apocalypse_may_be_5_years_away/articleshow/2155422.cms
The Economic Times Online
Printed from economictimes.indiatimes.com > Stocks> Analysis
The year of financial apocalypse may be 5 years away
PRAVIN PALANDE
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ THURSDAY, JUNE 28, 2007 03:56:04 AM]
MUMBAI: Economists, fund managers and technical analysts rarely agree
with each other. But if it is 2012, many of them seem to have a
consensus. For them, 2012 spells only one thing -- global meltdown in
financial markets.
The present boom in the financial markets may come to an abrupt end in
2012, feels a Harvard University Economist Jeffery Frankel. According to
him, the reason is very simple. He feels that markets move in from seven
years of lull and seven years of boom. But in between these two phases
the flow of money stops. 2012 is that year when there is a chance that
liquidity from global emerging markets will get drained out.
The last time this happened was in 1997 when the Asian market hit the
peak and there was a capital flight out of Asia. Before that in 1982,
Mexico faced problems after the oil price crisis that was experienced by
the country which affected the world. Due to fall in oil prices Mexico
suffered heavily due to loss in revenues.
This backdating of 15 years takes us to 1697, which marked the end of
the Mayan Kingdom. The Mayan King Pacal Voltan was known for his
prophecies and was known for his knowledge of numbers. Pacal Voltan
speaks about the end of the world on December 21, 2012, a year which
many believe is the year of the apocalypse.
Diego Arevalo is a fund manager who is presently in Guatemala and is
intrigued by Pacal Voltan and his prophecies. Apart from his day job of
fund management he takes a keen interest in the Mayan culture.
Mr Arevalo who spoke to ET on e-mail believes that there is something
out there which is not easy to understand. He has been talking to a lot
of Mayan experts and is of the opinion that the world may not actually
come to an end as depicted by the prophecies of Pacal Voltan. "The world
is going to go through some drastic change around that year. There will
be an impact on global financial markets. But doesn't it intrigue us
that so many theories are converging in one year and these theories are
coming in from different parts of the world."
To prove his point Mr Arevalo talks about the Elliott Waves. Technical
analysts use the Elliott Waves to understand the movement of the
markets. T_/*he Elliott model proposes that the market prices alternate
between five and three waves and in a way represents fractals.*/_ These
waves are based either on multi-decades to weekly patterns and are
called as major cycles or minor cycles. According to Mr Arevalo we are
touching the 'Wave V' in 2012.
Wave V, Fibonacci number is the last wave in an upward trend of a major
cycle. Since these waves are fractals, they appear at various point in
time. The macroview or supercycle has Wave V located in 2012. "I expect
a reversal at that exact point in the markets, possibly a great
correction in the form of a depression. The Mayan calendar expects
something more disruptive. I think an event derived from global warming
is something what they expect."
Maybe Mr Arevalo has a point. Indian technical analysts are of the
opinion that there is nothing wrong with the Indian markets for the next
two to three years. "In technical analysis we don't look beyond two to
three years. But I don't see anything going wrong for India in this
time. It is very difficult to point out what will happen in 2012," says
a senior technical analyst from Mumbai.
Financial markets are waiting for a volatility shock. Nobody knows in
what fashion or which part of the world this shock will come from. Till
then fund managers and economists have enough time to meet Mayan Shamans
or understand Elloit Waves.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:34 pm |
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On Jun 29, 3:04 pm, Roger Bagula <rlbag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Markets/Stocks/Analysis/The_year_...
The Economic Times Online
Printed from economictimes.indiatimes.com > Stocks> Analysis
The year of financial apocalypse may be 5 years away
PRAVIN PALANDE
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ THURSDAY, JUNE 28, 2007 03:56:04 AM]
MUMBAI: Economists, fund managers and technical analysts rarely agree
with each other. But if it is 2012, many of them seem to have a
consensus. For them, 2012 spells only one thing -- global meltdown in
financial markets.
The present boom in the financial markets may come to an abrupt end in
2012, feels a Harvard University Economist Jeffery Frankel. According to
him, the reason is very simple. He feels that markets move in from seven
years of lull and seven years of boom. But in between these two phases
the flow of money stops. 2012 is that year when there is a chance that
liquidity from global emerging markets will get drained out.
The last time this happened was in 1997 when the Asian market hit the
peak and there was a capital flight out of Asia. Before that in 1982,
Mexico faced problems after the oil price crisis that was experienced by
the country which affected the world. Due to fall in oil prices Mexico
suffered heavily due to loss in revenues.
This backdating of 15 years takes us to 1697, which marked the end of
the Mayan Kingdom. The Mayan King Pacal Voltan was known for his
prophecies and was known for his knowledge of numbers. Pacal Voltan
speaks about the end of the world on December 21, 2012, a year which
many believe is the year of the apocalypse.
Diego Arevalo is a fund manager who is presently in Guatemala and is
intrigued by Pacal Voltan and his prophecies. Apart from his day job of
fund management he takes a keen interest in the Mayan culture.
Mr Arevalo who spoke to ET on e-mail believes that there is something
out there which is not easy to understand. He has been talking to a lot
of Mayan experts and is of the opinion that the world may not actually
come to an end as depicted by the prophecies of Pacal Voltan. "The world
is going to go through some drastic change around that year. There will
be an impact on global financial markets. But doesn't it intrigue us
that so many theories are converging in one year and these theories are
coming in from different parts of the world."
To prove his point Mr Arevalo talks about the Elliott Waves. Technical
analysts use the Elliott Waves to understand the movement of the
markets. T_/*he Elliott model proposes that the market prices alternate
between five and three waves and in a way represents fractals.*/_ These
waves are based either on multi-decades to weekly patterns and are
called as major cycles or minor cycles. According to Mr Arevalo we are
touching the 'Wave V' in 2012.
Wave V, Fibonacci number is the last wave in an upward trend of a major
cycle. Since these waves are fractals, they appear at various point in
time. The macroview or supercycle has Wave V located in 2012. "I expect
a reversal at that exact point in the markets, possibly a great
correction in the form of a depression. The Mayan calendar expects
something more disruptive. I think an event derived from global warming
is something what they expect."
Maybe Mr Arevalo has a point. Indian technical analysts are of the
opinion that there is nothing wrong with the Indian markets for the next
two to three years. "In technical analysis we don't look beyond two to
three years. But I don't see anything going wrong for India in this
time. It is very difficult to point out what will happen in 2012," says
a senior technical analyst from Mumbai.
Financial markets are waiting for a volatility shock. Nobody knows in
what fashion or which part of the world this shock will come from. Till
then fund managers and economists have enough time to meet Mayan Shamans
or understand Elloit Waves.
©Bennett, Coleman and Co., Ltd. All rights reserved.
2012... heh.
Well, we'll see... |
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| Roger Bagula |
| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:33 pm |
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mike3 wrote:
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2012... heh.
Well, we'll see...
Yes, it appears we will probably almost all live to see 2012.
This "number" has been around a long time.
Doom and Gloom predictions aren't new and this one dates back to the
Ancient Mayan astronomers
or so I've heard.
It is like those old the planets will Aline stuff.
The limits to growth put the number at 2020 or there abouts when
there wouldn't be enough oil.
Look up " Hubbert's pimple"...
New global warming predictions are 2050 and the like for the crunch
there.
There does seem to be one thing they agree on : that like the Greeks,
Romans, Babylonians, Persians,
Chinese, and Egyptians our civilization has a due date and a past due date. |
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| Roger Bagula |
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I ran accross this in an egroup :
Posted by: "Raven" NWRaven@gmail.com mm121elaine
Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:24 pm (PST)
http://2012eschaton.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=55
2012 : 2012, Doomsday & The Omega Point
Posted by Jonathan_McGregor_Bethel on 2007/5/19 10:28:10 (2278 reads)
2012
This is an article I wrote for JJ Haper's new book, "Science of Soul"
by Jonathan McGregor Bethel
It must be stated at the outset of this article that the expectation in
2012 of any singular event could very well lead to complete
disappointment. None of us know for certain what will happen in the
years to come, especially the specific date of 12-21-2012, as the future
is yet to occur. I try to approach this great mystery of 2012 with an
open yet discriminating mind, open to possible scenarios yet
discriminating and requiring evidence. That being said, it is obvious
that right now is a time of radical transformation, and society is
subconsciously gearing up for a "Shift of the Ages," a moment when the
Zeitgeist, the spirit of our time, shifts to a higher pattern. Many are
coming forward to proclaim "The End of the World," and they point to the
Maya themselves as stating the end is coming. But the fact remains that
the Maya encoded the ending of one 13baktun calendar cycle and a new
beginning, what they called "Creation Day." This is not the "End of the
World" being solicited in the main stream media, a guarantee that doom,
tumultuous changes, and a turmoil ridden future lies ahead; they are
using the tried and true application of fear to make money, and it is
very reasonable that this fear is in place, for events could be very
dire, yet we have to approach this moment in history with the poise and
watchfulness of the spiritual warrior.
Although mankind has traversed the evolutionary gap between the savage
rain forest and the modern civilized city, it now sits in a very
alarming situation; it now faces a bifurcation point in the evolutionary
path it has trod thus far. This unavoidable fork in the road will lead
us either down the path of destruction and decimation, or we will be
impelled down the evolutionary channels toward enlightenment and
liberation, freeing ourselves from the entropic grip of materiality and
the thralldom of our everyday world. This is a very novel predicament
for humanity, one it has never seen before, a moment a planet brings
forth only once in its' lifetime. This razor's edge that we are
teetering on is fast becoming a slippery slope, and the global
operational systems are careening out of control. On the one hand, we
have reached a monumental moment in which all indicators point to the
fact that we are approaching a quantum leap in our evolutionary trek, a
rapturous instant in which our species' evolution shifts to a higher,
unimaginable level of functionality; however, on the other hand, the
global situation looks very grim, and certain actualities could create a
situation where our existential being is subjected to harsh realities,
realities that are the consequence of what we started long ago in
history. This situation is building up more and more pressure and is
working its' way toward a breaking point. Because of humanity's selfish
and disharmonious behavior, we have created a situation that looks
fairly dire and dreadful for our species, yet the contradictory is also
true; never before has the human race been so perfectly poised so as to
initiate a whole series of evolutionary steps that could precede a
Utopian civilization.
Mankind has never found himself at a crossroads of such magnitude, a
bifurcation point that will change the course of history. Nevertheless,
that is no excuse for a botched job in the grave matter at hand; it is
crucial to our survival that we get it right! That sounds like a
paramount amount of pressure and will require an impeccable discipline;
indeed, this is intense pressure, and this rite of passage requires
utilizing a higher more disciplined order for quelling the more
primitive behaviors that will only guarantee our demise. An immense
amount of cooperation and compassion is required to get us passed the
inhospitable situation before us. It is vital that we quickly get a clue
and start doing what we know we need to do, yesterday and not tomorrow,
before our tenuous grip on reality quickly slips away, and we tumble
erroneously down the path of failed attempts. No, this will not do! If
we really want to make it through this perilous passageway in the
hallway of history, then we need to quickly wake up, come to our senses,
and merge our scientific world view and knowhow with a true ecumenical
spiritual paradigm founded upon ethics, thereby placing well meaning
attention and focus on the problems at hand. A merging of these two
worlds could help create the impetus for us to form a true global
community where the "Good of the All" is sought out for the "Good of the
All" by all our individual talents.
Modern man throughout the twentieth century was coming to terms with his
theological and scientific paradigms, and in the last decade of that
century s/he saw an intensification of the integration of these two
worlds; the true philosopher's stone, the stone of the wise, was
condensing from the merging of these two paradigmatic systems. This new
paradigm of thought was synthesized in a dialectical process where the
thesis and antithesis were merged, the worlds of theology and science,
and it is now informing the morphogenetic fields that rule social
behavior all over our planet. These fields order our behavior through
the process of morphic resonance, whereby our thoughts and emotions are
in sync with the planetary mind, and our mind then follows suit. These
global morphogenetic fields of humanity have been called many names: the
collective unconscious, the genetic archives, the akashic records, and
the phylogenetic unconscious. At any rate, this morphogenetic field that
humanity resonates with is a sphere of thought surrounding the planet,
and the synergistic tendencies of the information couplings within those
fields are gearing up for and catalyzing a transformational shift to a
whole new order of being. In the notions of the French priest and
paleontologist, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, the biosphere, nature, will
give rise to and exude the noosphere, a global layer of thought, the
informational synergy of which will actualize the Omega Point into
being. This will usher in a new paradigm, a transcendence for all of
humanity. It is interesting to note that Teilhard came to his
realizations long before the global network of the Internet; therefore,
many philosophers consider the internet to be the hardwiring of the
noosphere.
The unrelenting questions of what will happen consistently assail the
mind. Will we make it through the turmoil to see ourselves basking in
the sunlight of enlightenment? Or will we destroy ourselves in some
apparent need for defense or through retaliation? Will the Biosphere
continue supporting our species when it is being decimated daily? Will
we experience some major geological changes as a consequence of our
relationship with the sun? Will our technology birth the next level of
our evolution? Will the Gaian Mind, which appears to be the source of
crop circles, bring us a further revelation of our place in the cosmos?
Can a multitude of these events occur? This intense inquisitiveness will
not be abated within me, and sadly, I'm afraid that the answers that
have presented themselves are both appealing and disturbing, creating
further vexing enigmas. So, what we are facing is manifold and
many-sided; one singular event does not take the whole happening into
consideration. Does this time of devastation and/or enlightenment have
anything to do with 2012 as many have foretold?
What we are facing is both good and bad, in my opinion; one model of our
future does not contain the entirety of that happenstance. It is
multifaceted and diverse, but our mammalian brain seeks to create black
and white scenarios out of the mysteries before us, seeking to simplify
the unknown and fearful into nice little models of what we are moving
into. But there is no way that what we are facing could be all black or
all white; it is indeed both. The concrescence of novelty, the eschaton,
will be an infinitely novel situation and contain both the good and the
bad! As the universe becomes more complex and ramified, as more novelty
accrues, then we can expect the intensity of those novel forms and
events to increase; the novelty of both the black and the white will
intensify in its' influence upon our lives. Therefore, it is
understandable that the most horrid will occur alongside of the most
divine in our shared, global future.
So, what kind of things could we be facing in 2012 or beyond? What are
the tenable possibilities on our global horizon? Let's first look at the
negative occurrences facing our global civilization, and then we will
discuss the positive effects which also appear to be breaking through
into our society. These doom ridden scenarios are things that, if they
were to occur, would affect our global future and life as we know it in
a radical way. These possibilities are things we definitely need to be
considering as we move ahead.
Humanity is in a very precarious situation; never before have so many
mounting crisis points been converging together. I'm no doomsayer, but
if you remove yourself from the group mind with its aversion to the
facts at hand, and you take a good look at what is about to transpire,
then you can't help but be white-knuckled and fearful of the future. But
this fear is not at all what we need, if reality is truly affected by
our minds as scientific studies are beginning to bear out. The following
situations "Could" transpire in the years to decades ahead; they are not
necessarily slated to occur in 2012!
The increased complexity and convoluted nature of our global
civilization has made the threat of a pandemic a much more conceivable
situation. A virus could be transferred to many areas of the world
through our transportation grid in a very short period of time, and an
all out pandemic could be actualized in a matter of weeks. When asked
about a near future, foreseeable pandemic, doctors say it's a matter of
"when" not "if" one breaks out. In the last 30 years we saw the
introduction of many new biological threats: AIDS, SARS, West Nile, and
now the Avian Flu, and these are threats that we must take seriously.
When will this speculative disaster occur? It is uncertain, but
scientists are very concerned about the possibility of a major
unstoppable pandemic in the near future.
A pandemic is just one possibility on the shelf of global, future
threats. In addition, we have the Geo-Political environment, a motley
crew of a makeup with each component striving for dominance on the world
stage. It is one thing to agree to disagree with the other parties in
the global arena; however, we now have radical terrorists, self
proclaimed servants of God, who believe it is their God given duty to
kill all those that will not convert to their way of thinking. It is
hard to deal with these people in a rational manner, as their behavior
elicits the very primitive instinct of seeking their utter destruction.
In addition, we now have the proliferation of nuclear weapons, and they
are now in the hands of some very fanatical and tyrannical leaders. It
is easy to foresee and imagine that if the terrorists ignited a nuclear
bomb in one of our cities due to their ideological insanity, then the
civilized world could very easily retaliate, thereby sparking a nuclear
tit-for-tat of all the countries involved. This is a very real
possibility and something that MUST be avoided at all costs. Does that
mean we should not retaliate if we were ever to be attacked with a
nuclear bomb? Well, I am a warrior, and anyone trying to kill me, my
family, my friends, or any of the citizens of my country should be very
aware that there are many of us who will stand up and seek to destroy
them utterly. But that being said, we need to be exceedingly careful not
to spark a nuclear catastrophe, if that were to ever happen. Therefore,
our retaliatory nature could pose a big problem as we move ahead, as we
now live in a world where radical mentalities and terrorism exist.
Our global society is also facing major economic collapse as we move
forward into subsequent periods of time. Our economic markets are so
reliant on what occurs globally now, and the countries of the world have
created such a deficit that some financial specialists say what we are
facing is insurmountable; we are operating on borrowed time, and a huge
spiral into economic collapse looks like an extremely conceivable scenario.
If those realistic threats weren't bad enough, the biosphere is being
destroyed in so many aspects that it is barely possible to imagine.
Researchers believe that the biosphere may become completely
uninhabitable in just a couple centuries. The facts of man's destruction
of the habitat that brought him forth are truly appalling and ghastly.
We are decimating the rain forest by miles daily, the main source of the
oxygen we breathe. Climate is changing as both the jet stream in the
atmosphere and the gulf stream in the Atlantic are shifting. Our oceans
are dying from pollution and over fishing, and many species are being
wiped into extinction. Is this insanity? What are we doing to ourselves?
The planet was never intended to support life for 6.5 billion people,
and that population is only increasing daily. The facts of the matter
make one wince when looking at all the details, creating a nauseating
feeling in the pit of the stomach. The melting of the ice caps is
occurring from a multitude of sources that are causing Global Warming.
It is not just our fuel use causing global warming; it also has to do
with natural cycles that revolve around the earth-sun connection. The
melted ice will cause the sea levels to rise, obliterating the coastline
and inundating us with water. This biosphere issue is definitely not
something that will cause a global catastrophe in 2012, but it is an
indication of where we find ourselves and the nature of our shared
predicament. The operative word is "Shared," and we need to realize that
all of us on the planet are in this boat together, and it has now begun
to traverse the rapids and dangerous currents ahead.
Additionally, we have the sun-earth connection to be concerned about.
The Sun's Coronal magnetic flux has increased 100% in the last century.
Global Warming is partly caused by man and is also caused by the earth's
relationship with the sun, and scientists say the sun has steadily
become more active in the past several hundred years. It must be
understood that when a Solar Flare or Coronal Mass Ejection occurs a
wave of energy moves out in all directions, and when it impinges with a
planet's magnetic field, the field contorts in reaction. This contortion
shifts the Jet Stream creating climate change, and it also puts stress
on the system of plate tectonics, causing an increased number of
earthquakes and volcanoes. The last sunspot cycle ended with the two
largest flares on record and the next major cycle is scheduled for 2012.
Now that we have discussed some of the sobering bad news about our
future, and because I like to be the optimist even in the most drastic
and horrid of situations, I think it is essential to relay the whole
picture. Yes, things look very dire, but they also look most promising.
Strides in science, medicine, government and technology are making major
advances in ridding our species of the undesired effects of bad health,
famine, poverty, or lack of any name. So, like I said, what we are
moving into is both wonderful and horrid. It is a double-edged sword!
Science is making great progress, and a G.U.T., A Grand Unified Theory
or a T.O.E., a Theory Of Everything, is within the grasp of humanity,
giving us a true understanding of Space-Time and harnessing that
understanding for benevolent and beneficial technologies, which we will
use to find solutions to our present predicaments. A quantum leap in our
evolution is apparently directly in front of us, if you consider the
exponential explosion of technology. A technological singularity is
going to occur; it cannot be avoided. Only one of the previously
mentioned catastrophes could remove us from the course with the
Technological Singularity. This Singularity will bring us technologies
that will give us immense longevity and possible immortality! That was a
fairly welcome surprise as we entered a new millennium, discovering we
were facing this event. The exponential explosion of technology will
remove many of the problems we have dealt with for thousands of years.
For instance, nanotechnology will be used to control cholesterol and
plaque within our arteries, thereby alleviating one of the major causes
of death. The A.I. mind will know all our problems, and it will use
intelligence a million times greater than man to find solutions and
implement them in the moment.
Researchers are learning how much our mind is inextricably linked to the
physical reality surrounding us, and with the advent of nanotechnology
we will be able to create materially whatever we are visualizing
mentally. Our science and spirituality are also no longer exclusive to
each other, and the age old conflicts between the facts of science and
our theological perspectives are dissolving and fading away. Our
scientific investigations are showing us that the quantum vacuum, the
zero-point-field, contains the informational blueprint for the way our
reality forms itself. It is the reservoir for every occurrence that has
ever happened in previous universes, universes that are iterations of
the one multiverse; The zero-point-field is a non-local vacuum
containing zero matter or energy but immense information that our
universe uses as a guide to shape itself. This zero-point-field can be
considered the mind of God, and now even most atheistic scientists
realize that there is a higher dimensional information template from
which our universe is formed. Also, our world's religions are beginning
to loosen the constricting belt of literalism, and they are seeing the
truths of both science and other faiths; a convergence between
disparities is taking place, and integration is occurring on many levels.
So, we live in a time full of radical changes of both a qualitatively
good and bad nature. The ancient seers knew that this exact period in
time represented a period of catastrophic changes preceding a golden
age. Most cultural traditions have some intimation of the times we are
living in, whether it is Hindu, Hopi, Mayan, or many, many others, and
they are all in basic agreement that a great purging, a cataclysmic time
of change, will precede a golden age of enlightenment. The Mayans
encoded 12-21-2012 into their calendrical system, and they pointed to
that day for some reason. Hundreds of years later in the 1970s a hippie
botanist, Terence McKenna, had a vision under the influence of Shamanic
Power Plants, and he saw how to distill a timewave from the Ken Wa
sequence of the I-Ching. This Timewave mapped the ingression of novelty
into the universe, an organizing principle of ever increasing complexity
upon which all of our reality is ordered. At any rate, he saw on the
timewave that this nature of novelty hits a moment of infinite novelty,
what is called the concrescence of novelty, at the same exact time that
the Mayan Calendar cycle ends, December 21, 2012!
So, this date has given itself over to the minds of a culture of people
over a thousand years ago and then to a hippie botanist in the 1970s, a
very strange synchronicity indeed! _/*Then along comes Ervin Laszlo in
2006 stipulating that Chaos and Complexity Theory has shown how a huge
bifurcation point in humanity's evolutionary trek occurs in late
2012.*/_ At the fork in the road, we either go the route of self
destruction or the high road of enlightenment and liberation. Noting
that Terence derived his timewave from the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching,
and also noting the congruency of those 64 Hexagrams with the 64 codons
of DNA, the 64 bit structure of computer code, and the central 64
squares of a Tzolkin grid of the Mayan Calendar, then it can be surmised
that a universal organizing principle is being perceived.
_/*No one knows what will happen on December 21, 2012. Will it be
Doomsday or the Omega Point, or both, or neither?*/_ One thing is for
certain; now is a time of radical change, and both problems and
innovations are creating a novel situation for a planet of 6.5 billion
people. The biosphere is more decimated than it ever has been. The Sun
more is active than in recent time and may cause some major geological
changes. Our Technology has moved deep into exponential growth and is
about to birth a singularity. Whatever happens, I am sure it will be a
ride we will never forget!
Jonathan McGregor Bethel
www.JonathanBethel.com
Jonathan.McGregor.Bethel@gmail.com
Omega Point Institute
www.OmegaPoint.org
www.SacredWisdom.net
www.2012Eschaton.com
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