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Guest
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:13 am
I've rally been asking the aluminum welding questions for my son.
He's the better welder in the family and I have him working on my
project. (See:http://unreasonablerocket.blogspot.com/)


Tonight my son spent some time with a local gentelman (Bob) that does
aluminum welding. And he/we learned some things:

1)He was having no luck whatsoever welding aluminum here using our
Thermal Arc
http://www.thermadyne.com/evolution/brandProductSpecific.asp?mernbr=1&div=tai&catnbr=99&pdtnbr=567

2)He was quite successful welding things using Bobs miller welder.


The difference between samples on the same peice of aluminum from
heree to there was stunning, one was really really bad the other
looked like a good weld.

Its real clear that our aluminum welding problem is some very
fundamental bad setup with the equipment.

So is there anyone on the group that uses this welder that can give me
the step by step exact settings they are using for aluminum?

When doing TIG on aluminum how do you start?
Lift, scratch, HF other????

I always thought that lift start was best, bbut tonight was told
different. How do you start the arc with aluminum?


Paul
Grant Erwin
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:22 am
Guest
Paul@Rasdoc.com wrote:

Quote:
I've rally been asking the aluminum welding questions for my son.
He's the better welder in the family and I have him working on my
project. (See:http://unreasonablerocket.blogspot.com/)


Tonight my son spent some time with a local gentelman (Bob) that does
aluminum welding. And he/we learned some things:

1)He was having no luck whatsoever welding aluminum here using our
Thermal Arc
http://www.thermadyne.com/evolution/brandProductSpecific.asp?mernbr=1&div=tai&catnbr=99&pdtnbr=567

2)He was quite successful welding things using Bobs miller welder.


The difference between samples on the same peice of aluminum from
heree to there was stunning, one was really really bad the other
looked like a good weld.

Its real clear that our aluminum welding problem is some very
fundamental bad setup with the equipment.

Check the polarity? If that's wrong, big yuk.

GWE
Ernie Leimkuhler
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:47 am
Guest
In article <qr80s2h4a1r8cpjt5l88al7bt9jsa2e313@4ax.com>,
Paul@Rasdoc.com wrote:

Quote:
I've rally been asking the aluminum welding questions for my son.
He's the better welder in the family and I have him working on my
project. (See:http://unreasonablerocket.blogspot.com/)


Tonight my son spent some time with a local gentelman (Bob) that does
aluminum welding. And he/we learned some things:

1)He was having no luck whatsoever welding aluminum here using our
Thermal Arc
http://www.thermadyne.com/evolution/brandProductSpecific.asp?mernbr=1&div=tai&
catnbr=99&pdtnbr=567

2)He was quite successful welding things using Bobs miller welder.


The difference between samples on the same peice of aluminum from
heree to there was stunning, one was really really bad the other
looked like a good weld.

Its real clear that our aluminum welding problem is some very
fundamental bad setup with the equipment.

So is there anyone on the group that uses this welder that can give me
the step by step exact settings they are using for aluminum?

When doing TIG on aluminum how do you start?
Lift, scratch, HF other????

I always thought that lift start was best, bbut tonight was told
different. How do you start the arc with aluminum?


Paul

Aluminum should be run with AC, and continuous High frequency.

On that machine you can vary your wave frequency.
The higher the AC wave frequency the tighter the arc will get in AC,
until it acts like a DC arc.
This works very well for fillet welds, since it keeps the arc from
dancing back and forth between the plates.

You can use DC EP, but it will hammer your tungsten.
Bart D. Hull
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:05 pm
Guest
HF is easiest to start and doesn't contaminate the weld.

What Tungsten are you using? (Size, type)
Did you clean the aluminum to be welded with SS brush?
Did you use A/C setting on the TIG box?
What gas are you using? (Make SURE it's Argon.)
What rod are you using. (Don't use steel rod to weld aluminum, don't ask
how I know. (SMILE!!)
Welding outside or inside. (Wind or drafts blow shielding gas away.)

If your welding ok with one machine but not another. Jot down the list
above and note any other settings that are working well on the machine
that welds OK.

Your going to find something simple that isn't quite right.

Bart


Bart D. Hull
bdhull-nospam@inficad.com
Tempe, Arizona

Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/engine.html
for my Subaru Engine Conversion
Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/fuselage.html
for Tango II I'm building.

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Paul@Rasdoc.com wrote:
Quote:
I've rally been asking the aluminum welding questions for my son.
He's the better welder in the family and I have him working on my
project. (See:http://unreasonablerocket.blogspot.com/)


Tonight my son spent some time with a local gentelman (Bob) that does
aluminum welding. And he/we learned some things:

1)He was having no luck whatsoever welding aluminum here using our
Thermal Arc
http://www.thermadyne.com/evolution/brandProductSpecific.asp?mernbr=1&div=tai&catnbr=99&pdtnbr=567

2)He was quite successful welding things using Bobs miller welder.


The difference between samples on the same peice of aluminum from
heree to there was stunning, one was really really bad the other
looked like a good weld.

Its real clear that our aluminum welding problem is some very
fundamental bad setup with the equipment.

So is there anyone on the group that uses this welder that can give me
the step by step exact settings they are using for aluminum?

When doing TIG on aluminum how do you start?
Lift, scratch, HF other????

I always thought that lift start was best, bbut tonight was told
different. How do you start the arc with aluminum?


Paul


Guest
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:18 pm
Quote:
HF is easiest to start and doesn't contaminate the weld.
Was using Lift start now using HF.


Quote:
What Tungsten are you using? (Size, type)
1/16 Pure tungston.


Quote:
Did you clean the aluminum to be welded with SS brush?
Yes


Quote:
Did you use A/C setting on the TIG box?
Yes


Quote:
What gas are you using? (Make SURE it's Argon.)
Argon


Quote:
What rod are you using. (Don't use steel rod to weld aluminum, don't ask
Aluminum 1/8" Rod from the welding store where the compatibility charts lists it as reccomended for 6061.

(I'm not at home so I cant look at the package)

Quote:
Welding outside or inside. (Wind or drafts blow shielding gas away.)
Inside.


Quote:
If your welding ok with one machine but not another. Jot down the list
above and note any other settings that are working well on the machine
that welds OK.

The welding is going much better, but the start up still seems to make a big black blob
more often than not, the other machine did not.

Paul
Bart D. Hull
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:54 pm
Guest
Big black blob = contamination.

Either your gas is dirty or you don't have enough to properly shield the
weld.

You may also be touching the tungsten to the work. Are you using HF or
lift TIG?

1/16 is a pretty small electrode for aluminum. I use 3/32 for just about
everything aluminum sheet and 1/8th for anything even remotely thicker.

Just some suggestions.

Bart D. Hull
bdhull-nospam@inficad.com
Tempe, Arizona

Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/engine.html
for my Subaru Engine Conversion
Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/fuselage.html
for Tango II I'm building.

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pbreed@netburner.com wrote:
Quote:
HF is easiest to start and doesn't contaminate the weld.
Was using Lift start now using HF.

What Tungsten are you using? (Size, type)
1/16 Pure tungston.

Did you clean the aluminum to be welded with SS brush?
Yes

Did you use A/C setting on the TIG box?
Yes

What gas are you using? (Make SURE it's Argon.)
Argon

What rod are you using. (Don't use steel rod to weld aluminum, don't ask
Aluminum 1/8" Rod from the welding store where the compatibility charts lists it as reccomended for 6061.
(I'm not at home so I cant look at the package)

Welding outside or inside. (Wind or drafts blow shielding gas away.)
Inside.

If your welding ok with one machine but not another. Jot down the list
above and note any other settings that are working well on the machine
that welds OK.

The welding is going much better, but the start up still seems to make a big black blob
more often than not, the other machine did not.

Paul
Ernie Leimkuhler
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:49 am
Guest
In article <ovd7s2hr2if9ahk0qme496s2s9nfs2npjd@4ax.com>,
pbreed@netburner.com wrote:

Quote:
HF is easiest to start and doesn't contaminate the weld.
Was using Lift start now using HF.

What Tungsten are you using? (Size, type)
1/16 Pure tungston.


Bad choice.
You will want a 3/32" Lanthanted tungsten.

Do NOT use pure tungstens, they are useless.
Lanthanated will work for AC and DC.

Quote:
Did you clean the aluminum to be welded with SS brush?
Yes

Did you use A/C setting on the TIG box?
Yes

What gas are you using? (Make SURE it's Argon.)
Argon

What rod are you using. (Don't use steel rod to weld aluminum, don't ask
Aluminum 1/8" Rod from the welding store where the compatibility charts lists
it as reccomended for 6061.
(I'm not at home so I cant look at the package)

Again, bad choice.
The size is all wrong.
What you want are 1/16" filler rods.
5356 and 4043 will both work fine.

Quote:

Welding outside or inside. (Wind or drafts blow shielding gas away.)
Inside.

If your welding ok with one machine but not another. Jot down the list
above and note any other settings that are working well on the machine
that welds OK.

The welding is going much better, but the start up still seems to make a big
black blob
more often than not, the other machine did not.

Paul
 
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