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spiral_72
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:19 am
Guest
It's been quite a while since I've posted here. I wonder if I can get
some opinions on a shot I took last night.

I just gotta new Canon EOS and some other things for my reflector. I
run my first set of shots last night. This was a 30 second exposure at
ISO 200 through a 25mm eyepiece on a 8" scope.

http://www.geocities.com/spiral_72/astronomy3.html

Other than the obvious tracking problem, whadya' think?

What's with the star at the top of the field? I saw that all night.

Are the colors from the nebula, or do I have some sort of defraction
problem?

I spent a lot of time on the focus without too much luck. Is the
blurryness a focus problem, or are pixels saturating?

Something I thought of after I come in: The camera has a diopter
adjustment on the viewfinder. I may need to set it, as it may be
distorting my "perceived" focus.
Sam Wormley
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:32 am
Guest
spiral_72 wrote:
Quote:
It's been quite a while since I've posted here. I wonder if I can get
some opinions on a shot I took last night.

I just gotta new Canon EOS and some other things for my reflector. I
run my first set of shots last night. This was a 30 second exposure at
ISO 200 through a 25mm eyepiece on a 8" scope.

http://www.geocities.com/spiral_72/astronomy3.html

Other than the obvious tracking problem, whadya' think?

What's with the star at the top of the field? I saw that all night.

Are the colors from the nebula, or do I have some sort of defraction
problem?

I spent a lot of time on the focus without too much luck. Is the
blurryness a focus problem, or are pixels saturating?

Something I thought of after I come in: The camera has a diopter
adjustment on the viewfinder. I may need to set it, as it may be
distorting my "perceived" focus.


First thing that comes to mind is off axis coma
http://images.google.com/images?q=off%20axis%20coma
Rick Evans
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:44 am
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"spiral_72" <spiral_72@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
It's been quite a while since I've posted here. I wonder if I
can get
some opinions on a shot I took last night.

I just gotta new Canon EOS and some other things for my
reflector. I
run my first set of shots last night. This was a 30 second
exposure at
ISO 200 through a 25mm eyepiece on a 8" scope.

http://www.geocities.com/spiral_72/astronomy3.html

Other than the obvious tracking problem, whadya' think?

I suspect you might get more informative answers if you
gave more specific information.
1. What type of reflector? Newtonian?
2. What type/brand mount?
3. Did you carefully polar align the mount?
4. What nebula were you trying to shoot?
5. Why were you using an eyepiece? Nebulae can usually be
shot using prime focus projection. When they need to
be magnified as with planetary nebulae a barlow 2x or 3x
is usually enough.

Quote:

Are the colors from the nebula, or do I have some sort of
defraction
problem?
Then look like chromatic abberation combined with the

off axis coma suggested by Sam Wormley

--
Rick Evans
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Lat +42° 11' 06.7"
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Chris L Peterson
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:41 pm
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On 8 Feb 2007 07:19:16 -0800, "spiral_72" <spiral_72@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
It's been quite a while since I've posted here. I wonder if I can get
some opinions on a shot I took last night.

I just gotta new Canon EOS and some other things for my reflector. I
run my first set of shots last night. This was a 30 second exposure at
ISO 200 through a 25mm eyepiece on a 8" scope.

http://www.geocities.com/spiral_72/astronomy3.html

Other than the obvious tracking problem, whadya' think?

I think you have too much glass between the objective and the sensor.
Your camera is a DSLR, right? You should image at prime focus: no
eyepiece on the telescope, no lens on the camera.

Can you list your equipment- telescope, mount, camera, etc?

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
spiral_72
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:17 pm
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Sorry, I didn't know the equipment would matter that much.

Quote:
1. What type of reflector? Newtonian?
2. What type/brand mount?
It's the older Orion Sky View F4 with the stock EQ mount. I am running

a single axis clock drive.

Quote:
3. Did you carefully polar align the mount?
The polar alignment should have been pretty close, although it looks

like the drive speed needs adjusting. I am going to look into
replacing the original pot with a ten turn. It's very difficult to
adjust now.

Quote:
4. What nebula were you trying to shoot?
Wow. That bad huh? It was supposed to have been the Orion nebula.


Quote:
5. Why were you using an eyepiece? Nebulae can usually be
shot using prime focus projection. When they need to
be magnified as with planetary nebulae a barlow 2x or 3x
is usually enough.
It was prime focus projection with a 25mm Plossl. I did not use a

barlow this time, because it would magnify the tracking error.
Quote:



Are the colors from the nebula, or do I have some sort of
defraction
problem?

Then look like chromatic abberation combined with the
off axis coma suggested by Sam Wormley

--
Rick Evans
---------------------------------------------------------------
Lon -71° 04' 35.3"
Lat +42° 11' 06.7"
---------------------------------------------------------------
Webcam Astroimaginghttp://mysite.verizon.net/hiltonevans33050/astroimaging/astroimaging.htm
RMOLLISE
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:07 pm
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On Feb 8, 9:19 am, "spiral_72" <spiral...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
It's been quite a while since I've posted here. I wonder if I can get
some opinions on a shot I took last night.

I just gotta new Canon EOS and some other things for my reflector. I
run my first set of shots last night. This was a 30 second exposure at
ISO 200 through a 25mm eyepiece on a 8" scope.

http://www.geocities.com/spiral_72/astronomy3.html

Other than the obvious tracking problem, whadya' think?



Hi:

I assume this is a DSLR? If so, do not image afocally. Get rid of the
eyepiece and image at prime focus. What was your exposure? You need to
shorten it to the point where you can get decent star images and stack
multiples of whatever exposure time that is.

Unk Rod
Rick Evans
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:48 pm
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"spiral_72" <spiral_72@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, I didn't know the equipment would matter that much.

Quote:
It's the older Orion Sky View F4 with the stock EQ mount. I am
running
a single axis clock drive.

You might want to add a second axis drive so that
you can adjust for declination errors.

Quote:
3. Did you carefully polar align the mount?
The polar alignment should have been pretty close,
To get a really good alignment you need to adjust

align your mount with drift correction.

Quote:
It was prime focus projection with a 25mm Plossl. I did not use
a
barlow this time, because it would magnify the tracking error.

If your were using an eyepiece then you were doing eyepiece
projection. Prime focus imaging using the main mirror only.



--

Rick Evans
---------------------------------------------------------------
Lon -71° 04' 35.3"
Lat +42° 11' 06.7"
---------------------------------------------------------------
Webcam Astroimaging
http://mysite.verizon.net/hiltonevans33050/astroimaging/astroimaging.htm
---------------------------------------------------------------
ChemPen Chemical Structure Software
http://www.chempensoftware.com
spiral_72
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:09 pm
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Quote:
If your were using an eyepiece then you were doing eyepiece
projection. Prime focus imaging using the main mirror only.

No kidding? As much reading as I have done on the subject, I somehow
missed that.

I assume this is a DSLR?

It is a DSLR.

What was your exposure? You need to shorten it to the point where you
can get decent star images and stack multiples of whatever exposure
time that is.

30 seconds. I wondered about that. I took some 15 second exposures and
they seemed to come out better than 30 second, although dimmer
obviously. This first set of exposures were taken at 8 bits per color.
I was reading, and supposedly this camera can be set up for 12 bits
per color, therefore the pixels won't saturate as quickly.... allows a
longer exposure....fewer images to stack.

Very cool stuff. Thanks all, for the help. I've got a little more
research to do looks like....... and maybe spend a little more money.
I got RegiStax and AstroStack on the net. I haven't used them yet, but
It'll give me something else to do.
dogman
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:38 pm
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On Feb 8, 10:19 am, "spiral_72" <spiral...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
It's been quite a while since I've posted here. I wonder if I can get
some opinions on a shot I took last night.

I just gotta new Canon EOS and some other things for my reflector. I
run my first set of shots last night. This was a 30 second exposure at
ISO 200 through a 25mm eyepiece on a 8" scope.

http://www.geocities.com/spiral_72/astronomy3.html

Other than the obvious tracking problem, whadya' think?

What's with the star at the top of the field? I saw that all night.

Are the colors from the nebula, or do I have some sort of defraction
problem?

I spent a lot of time on the focus without too much luck. Is the
blurryness a focus problem, or are pixels saturating?

Something I thought of after I come in: The camera has a diopter
adjustment on the viewfinder. I may need to set it, as it may be
distorting my "perceived" focus.

You can make a focus plate, punch out 3 or 4 holes in a paint can lid
I use a 10 inch scope and a plastic 5 gallon lid. Point at a star and
if your scopes out of focus you will see as many stars as holes in
your plate, foucus till you have one image and your focus will be good
to go. PS I think Orion makes a plate if you want prefab.
spiral_72
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:15 am
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On Feb 8, 8:38 pm, "dogman" <joe.ea...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 8, 10:19 am, "spiral_72" <spiral...@yahoo.com> wrote:





It's been quite a while since I've posted here. I wonder if I can get
some opinions on a shot I took last night.

I just gotta new Canon EOS and some other things for my reflector. I
run my first set of shots last night. This was a 30 second exposure at
ISO 200 through a 25mm eyepiece on a 8" scope.

http://www.geocities.com/spiral_72/astronomy3.html

Other than the obvious tracking problem, whadya' think?

What's with the star at the top of the field? I saw that all night.

Are the colors from the nebula, or do I have some sort of defraction
problem?

I spent a lot of time on the focus without too much luck. Is the
blurryness a focus problem, or are pixels saturating?

Something I thought of after I come in: The camera has a diopter
adjustment on the viewfinder. I may need to set it, as it may be
distorting my "perceived" focus.

You can make a focus plate, punch out 3 or 4 holes in a paint can lid
I use a 10 inch scope and a plastic 5 gallon lid. Point at a star and
if your scopes out of focus you will see as many stars as holes in
your plate, foucus till you have one image and your focus will be good
to go. PS I think Orion makes a plate if you want prefab.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A focus plate. Might it be called something else? A google search
turned up pretty much nothing. I did a web and an image search.

So I just punch 3 or 4 holes anywhere on the plate? evenly spaced,
near the edge, near the center???
Chris L Peterson
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:28 am
Guest
On 9 Feb 2007 06:15:28 -0800, "spiral_72" <spiral_72@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
A focus plate. Might it be called something else? A google search
turned up pretty much nothing. I did a web and an image search.

They are actually called Hartmann masks.

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
David G. Nagel
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:14 pm
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
Quote:
On 9 Feb 2007 06:15:28 -0800, "spiral_72" <spiral_72@yahoo.com> wrote:

A focus plate. Might it be called something else? A google search
turned up pretty much nothing. I did a web and an image search.

They are actually called Hartmann masks.

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


One such source can be found at:> http://cometman.com/Mask.html

Dave N
 
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