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| hagen |
 Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:59 pm |
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If this geometrical structure, that I found, was a general siituation
in the literature, then the filologists would have dished up with a
variety of even more excellent examples than mine.
Such examples are of course conspicuous by their absence.
In this connection: Don't forget, that the degree of variation of the
"text structure" should be equally complex as the Phaistos disc's, and
this
simultaneously with its geometry.
I think it must be an establishment of a fact, that similar excellent
examples of "text contra hidden geometry" are demanded. Otherwise you
must suspect the critisism to be pure quarrelsome quack.
This is an indirct proof.
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/fig02.htm
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD0002393/kaede.gif
Best regard
Hagen |
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| grapheus |
| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:40 am |
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hagen wrote:
[quote:66c12ee3e5]If this geometrical structure, that I found, was a general siituation
in the literature, then the filologists would have dished up with a
variety of even more excellent examples than mine.
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Why should they ?.. The burden of proof is not on them : they have
produced a perfect translation of the text, which contradicts your
assertion that the Phaistos Disk is not a text. It's on you to
demonstrate that this translation is false, and that the evidence
supporting it has no value.
grapheus
[quote:66c12ee3e5]Such examples are of course conspicuous by their absence.
In this connection: Don't forget, that the degree of variation of the
"text structure" should be equally complex as the Phaistos disc's, and
this
simultaneously with its geometry.
I think it must be an establishment of a fact, that similar excellent
examples of "text contra hidden geometry" are demanded. Otherwise you
must suspect the critisism to be pure quarrelsome quack.
This is an indirct proof.
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/fig02.htm
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD0002393/kaede.gif
Best regard
Hagen[/quote:66c12ee3e5] |
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| hagen |
| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:44 am |
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grapheus skrev:
[quote:7f19aaada5]hagen wrote:
If this geometrical structure, that I found, was a general siituation
in the literature, then the filologists would have dished up with a
variety of even more excellent examples than mine.
Why should they ?.. The burden of proof is not on them : they have
produced a perfect translation of the text, which contradicts your
assertion that the Phaistos Disk is not a text. It's on you to
demonstrate that this translation is false, and that the evidence
supporting it has no value.
grapheus
[/quote:7f19aaada5]
Why should they not? - What a beatyful feather in the hat, if they
could-.
No, I am actually not persisting, that it is definitely not a text;
only that it is very unlikely indeed (and none of my consern), if it
should show to be a minutely calendar system and a text at the same
time
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/ph3.htm
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| grapheus |
| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:30 am |
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hagen wrote:
[quote:459316f95e]grapheus skrev:
hagen wrote:
If this geometrical structure, that I found, was a general siituation
in the literature, then the filologists would have dished up with a
variety of even more excellent examples than mine.
Why should they ?.. The burden of proof is not on them : they have
produced a perfect translation of the text, which contradicts your
assertion that the Phaistos Disk is not a text. It's on you to
demonstrate that this translation is false, and that the evidence
supporting it has no value.
grapheus
Why should they not? - What a beatyful feather in the hat, if they
could-.
No, I am actually not persisting, that it is definitely not a text;
only that it is very unlikely indeed (and none of my consern), if it
should show to be a minutely calendar system and a text at the same
time
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/ph3.htm
Hagen
[/quote:459316f95e]
OK, Ole. Would you mind applying your method to the following "coded
message" :
1-2-12 3-4 24-10-15 6-26-1-2-12 3-4 8-11-15 9-16-2-12 3-4
9-30-10 13-16-2-12 3-4 6-18-20-15 19-22-2-12 3-4 21-26-15
25-5-2-12 3-4 24-7-23-15 27-28-17 3-4 9-29
and tell us what it is, in your opinion ? (Be carefull, there is a trap
!)
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grapheus |
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| hagen |
| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:56 pm |
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[quote:452f41c01c]OK, Ole. Would you mind applying your method to the following "coded
message" :
1-2-12 3-4 24-10-15 6-26-1-2-12 3-4 8-11-15 9-16-2-12 3-4
9-30-10 13-16-2-12 3-4 6-18-20-15 19-22-2-12 3-4 21-26-15
25-5-2-12 3-4 24-7-23-15 27-28-17 3-4 9-29
and tell us what it is, in your opinion ? (Be carefull, there is a trap
!)
Regards
grapheus
[/quote:452f41c01c]
Thank you Grapheus for giving me the opprtunity.
By some psychological reason, which I cant read The very persons, who
ought to promote the acquaitance with my discovery of the dualistic
nature of this inscription, seem to encourage everyone, by their own
desperate attempt, to 'the cheap trick' of setting me under additional
tests. Wonder, what would inevitably be the end of the poor Marathon
man?
My attitude to those 'jokes' is consequently: No thank you, I've no
intention to enter the Niagara falls on a string, or what else would be
the next. My ordeal was my decipherment.
Ole Hagen |
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| hagen |
| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:31 pm |
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My experiences with dozens of other inscriptions are that the stems
you define are far less distinctive. It is a fact. The disc has only
very few choises for a different stem concept, and the stems are nearly
orderly arranged
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/hierarchi.htm
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Ole Hagen |
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| grapheus |
| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:37 pm |
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hagen wrote:
[quote:5f722df91c]OK, Ole. Would you mind applying your method to the following "coded
message" :
1-2-12 3-4 24-10-15 6-26-1-2-12 3-4 8-11-15 9-16-2-12 3-4
9-30-10 13-16-2-12 3-4 6-18-20-15 19-22-2-12 3-4 21-26-15
25-5-2-12 3-4 24-7-23-15 27-28-17 3-4 9-29
and tell us what it is, in your opinion ? (Be carefull, there is a trap
!)
Regards
grapheus
Thank you Grapheus for giving me the opprtunity.
By some psychological reason, which I cant read The very persons, who
ought to promote the acquaitance with my discovery of the dualistic
nature of this inscription, seem to encourage everyone, by their own
desperate attempt, to 'the cheap trick' of setting me under additional
tests.
[/quote:5f722df91c]
Well, it's you who asked for such a test !
Strange that now you seem to move back when a magnificent example is
offered to you. Think about this : two "true stems" (2-12) and (3-4),
the first one repeated 6 times (= 3x2), le second one 7 times -- the
two "stems" alternating in the "text" -- a total of 21 "groups" = 3x7
in the "text" -- groups of 4 signs existing 6 times (= 3x2) in the
text -- groups of 3 signs existing also 6 times (=3x2) in the text --
Etc.
With all this, are you not tempted to apply your method ?
grapheus
[quote:5f722df91c]Wonder, what would inevitably be the end of the poor Marathon
man?
My attitude to those 'jokes' is consequently: No thank you, I've no
intention to enter the Niagara falls on a string, or what else would be
the next. My ordeal was my decipherment.
Ole Hagen[/quote:5f722df91c] |
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| hagen |
| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:50 pm |
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[quote:beefa829e8]Well, it's you who asked for such a test !
Strange that now you seem to move back when a magnificent example is
offered to you. Think about this : two "true stems" (2-12) and (3-4),
the first one repeated 6 times (= 3x2), le second one 7 times -- the
two "stems" alternating in the "text" -- a total of 21 "groups" = 3x7
in the "text" -- groups of 4 signs existing 6 times (= 3x2) in the
text -- groups of 3 signs existing also 6 times (=3x2) in the text --
Etc.
With all this, are you not tempted to apply your method ?
grapheus
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Sorry I stand firm.
Are you aware of, that out of about 174 elements, you only find these
three examples of possible reversion: B12 XW - WX B04. B23 ZO - OZ
B27. B25 YO - OY B28.
This if different from all other texts of the same length, I know of.
Have a good week-end
Hagen
One can only imagine (except those very persons), what would inevitably
be the end of the poor Marathon
[quote:beefa829e8]man?
My attitude to those 'jokes' is consequently: No thank you, I've no
intention to enter the Niagara falls on a string, or what else would be
the next. My ordeal was my decipherment.[/quote:beefa829e8] |
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