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Rolloffle
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:57 am
Guest
OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
 
Brett Aubrey
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:57 am
Guest
"Rolloffle" <patrick.chalmers@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129395476.737281.307960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[quote:f1ddfefd0b]OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
[/quote:f1ddfefd0b]
This is a "joke", right?
 
Ernest Major
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:18 am
Guest
In message <1129395476.737281.307960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Rolloffle <patrick.chalmers@gmail.com> writes
[quote:ce504e2ece]OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!

[/quote:ce504e2ece]
Satire?
--
alias Ernest Major


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Ross Langerak
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:41 am
Guest
"Rolloffle" <patrick.chalmers@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129395476.737281.307960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[quote:a49c678941]OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?
[/quote:a49c678941]
Run the numbers:

In the 100 years since Einstein developed the special theory of relativity,
the plates have moved 5 meters. Geologically speaking, that's a very short
time to move a lot of mass.

In the 140 years since Darwin published "On the Origin of Species": 7 m.

In the 2000 years since the time of Christ: 100 m.

In the 10,000 years that humans have practiced agriculture: 500 m.

In the 100,000 years that humans have existed: 5 kilometers.

In the 10 million years that primates have evolved: 500 km.

In the 60 million years since the extinction of the dinosaurs: 3000 km.

In the 600 million years since the Cambrian explosion: 30,000 km.

In the 4 billion years that life has existed on the Earth: 200,000 km.

The Earth's diameter is 12,756 km. Since the Cambrian explosion, the
continents could have traveled 3/4 of the way around the Earth. In the time
that life has existed on the Earth, the continents could have traveled
around the Earth 5 times.

I don't see the problem.

[quote:a49c678941]The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
[/quote:a49c678941]
 
Soul food
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:45 am
Guest
Into alt.atheism shot "Rolloffle" <patrick.chalmers@gmail.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:

[quote:add92db80b]OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
[/quote:add92db80b]
:-)

------------------------------------------------
"If iron chariots make people immune to God (Judges 1:19), why do Christians drive cars?"

D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN

AA #2208
 
Zachriel
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:47 am
Guest
"Ross Langerak" <rlangerak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:tbb4f.15192$q1.12578@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
[quote:09030e31a5]
"Rolloffle" <patrick.chalmers@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129395476.737281.307960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

Run the numbers:

In the 100 years since Einstein developed the special theory of
relativity,
the plates have moved 5 meters. Geologically speaking, that's a very
short
time to move a lot of mass.

In the 140 years since Darwin published "On the Origin of Species": 7 m.

In the 2000 years since the time of Christ: 100 m.

In the 10,000 years that humans have practiced agriculture: 500 m.

In the 100,000 years that humans have existed: 5 kilometers.

In the 10 million years that primates have evolved: 500 km.

In the 60 million years since the extinction of the dinosaurs: 3000 km.

In the 600 million years since the Cambrian explosion: 30,000 km.

In the 4 billion years that life has existed on the Earth: 200,000 km.
[/quote:09030e31a5]

Well, there's your problem right there. Mount Ararat would be half-way to
the Moon by now.


Zachriel




[quote:09030e31a5]
The Earth's diameter is 12,756 km. Since the Cambrian explosion, the
continents could have traveled 3/4 of the way around the Earth. In the
time
that life has existed on the Earth, the continents could have traveled
around the Earth 5 times.

I don't see the problem.

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
[/quote:09030e31a5]
 
Soul food
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:49 am
Guest
Into alt.atheism shot "Ross Langerak" <rlangerak@earthlink.net> and
breathlessly exclaimed:

[quote:9a6b46fc2c]
"Rolloffle" <patrick.chalmers@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129395476.737281.307960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

Run the numbers:

In the 100 years since Einstein developed the special theory of relativity,
the plates have moved 5 meters. Geologically speaking, that's a very short
time to move a lot of mass.

In the 140 years since Darwin published "On the Origin of Species": 7 m.

In the 2000 years since the time of Christ: 100 m.

In the 10,000 years that humans have practiced agriculture: 500 m.

In the 100,000 years that humans have existed: 5 kilometers.

In the 10 million years that primates have evolved: 500 km.

In the 60 million years since the extinction of the dinosaurs: 3000 km.

In the 600 million years since the Cambrian explosion: 30,000 km.

In the 4 billion years that life has existed on the Earth: 200,000 km.

The Earth's diameter is 12,756 km. Since the Cambrian explosion, the
continents could have traveled 3/4 of the way around the Earth. In the time
that life has existed on the Earth, the continents could have traveled
around the Earth 5 times.

I don't see the problem.
[/quote:9a6b46fc2c]
That's 2...

------------------------------------------------
"If iron chariots make people immune to God (Judges 1:19), why do Christians drive cars?"

D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN

AA #2208
 
James
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:51 am
Guest
Rolloffle wrote:
[quote:587c85e012]OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
[/quote:587c85e012]
Man, that was hilarious. Thanks for starting my day off on the right
foot.

--
James B
aa #944

"A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence."
-David Hume
 
Guest
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:00 pm
When plate tectonics was taught in my high school (1970's) it was
taught very badly. No explanation of what plates were involved in
subduction zones or much of anything else.

A bit of arithmetic showed that the entire planets surface should have
been turned over several times so how did fossils of dinosaurs survive
?

There are a number of excellent books on the subject so try getting
hold of one and have a good read.

If you do not cut your fingernails, and protect them from accidental
damage and wear they can grow to some extraordinary lengths.
 
Brett Aubrey
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:00 pm
Guest
"Rolloffle" <patrick.chalmers@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129408963.736035.130230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
[quote:7b290d2c6f]No, I do not originate from Sweden's foreskin.
[/quote:7b290d2c6f]
Is that bigotry? With this being your only response thus far, maybe you
weren't joking after all (sigh!) I trust you can now understand how it's
possible that lateral movement of plates of some 50 kms per plate per
million years could translate into verticals of colliding plates to the
current maximum of ~8.8 kilometers over millions or tens of millions of
years(?) Or do you need further clarification?
 
Rev Dr' Lenny Flank
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:39 pm
Guest
Rolloffle wrote:
[quote:dbe2fc413a]OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
[/quote:dbe2fc413a]

Nice, but you need MORE CAPS and lots of EXCLAMATION POINTS !!!!!!!!

;>




================================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"


Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation email list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation/
 
Blue Hornet
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:42 pm
Guest
Rolloffle wrote:
[quote:635f5b9dba]OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
[/quote:635f5b9dba]

What next? "Intelligent Geology"?
 
Blue Hornet
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:45 pm
Guest
Blue Hornet wrote:
[quote:301447c98b]Rolloffle wrote:
OK, I'm not one of those Young Earth Creationists. You can't take the
Bible literally. But equally, how is it possible to believe in all of
plate tectonics? It claims to explain phenomena like how mountains
appear and the like, but it can't! The theory is inconsistent!

Supposedly, most continental plates move at approximately 5 centimetres
per year. Yes, that's *per year*! About the same rate at which
fingernails grow. Now let me ask you this...even if you never cut your
fingernails again, would they end up growing to the size of a mountain?
Of course not! How can plate tectonics claim to explain the formation
of mountains and valleys and volcanoes?

The advocates of macrotectonics say that this absolutely *minuscule*
movement of 5cm every year could create Mount Everest, a natural
creation *nine kilometres high* and weighing 160 trillion kilograms!
How is this even possible?

I like to think of myself as a Christian Scientist. I believe in God
and Science as long as the two both make sense. And I believe in
microtectonics; it's not possible to deny the fossil evidence. Besides,
it makes sense. The fact that individual plates can move very slowly is
consistent with their massive weight. But claiming that it's capable of
creating mountain ranges (MACROTECTONICS) is just propaganda from
secular humanists.

Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!


What next? "Intelligent Geology"?
[/quote:301447c98b]
Oh, and I forgot to ask ... what is the controversy? And what makes
you think, after what you wrote, that Mount Everest is "a natural
creation"?

I like to think of you as an idiot.
 
Guest
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:47 pm
For a lively discussion see:-

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/browse_frm/thread/6dec4007884a88a5/9a1dd2178da0ea3a?lnk=st&q=magnetic+reversal&rnum=2&hl=en#9a1dd2178da0ea3a

The clinching evidence is magnetic reversals and the fact that magnetic
material on the sea floor gives a complete picture of Plate Tectonics.
 
Kleuskes & Moos
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:19 pm
Guest
Rolloffle schreef:

<snip>

[quote:9a16393c69]Why do geologists keep pushing this macrotectonics crap in our schools?!
[/quote:9a16393c69]
Somehow I can't escape the gut-feeling you are related to Jormungand
and Fenrir. No are not, by any chance, from Norway?
 
 
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