"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
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Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to
do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa
is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet
which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing the
orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In the
same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is the
vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions for
conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on the
orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a microscopic
pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Ring

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars

this impact is going to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to
do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa
is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet
which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing the
orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In the
same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is the
vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions for
conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on the
orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a microscopic
pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Widdershins wrote:
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going
to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that
nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the
planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity
of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most
likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by
impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the
line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

The Inquisition probably.

Remember.
The Sun goes round the Earth ROTFLMAO
the mass is reduced ???????
Are you sure that the poster isn't attempting to get their Iq into the
low single figures ??

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:51:41 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:


"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

[..].

problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact
or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line
as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.

Evasion noted.

Snip bullshit.

Widdershins

"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."


-- Gene Spafford, 1992

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In article <x8Qae.16194$r53.5629@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:



"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going
to
do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that
nasa
is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet
which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of
the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact
or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line
as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing
the
orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In
the
same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is
the
vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions
for
conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on the
orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a microscopic
pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Ring

RM: I saw this post on Alt.Astrology and found it interesting, even
though I only understand about 10% of what you said.
Surely there would be other "mechanics" around who are doing similar
testng.

Ray
--
ALT.ASTROLOGY.MODERATED
http://readystump.algebra.com/~aam/
The best place on the net to discuss
astrology in the English language.

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:bm9o61lh2i31ftm6ulnbhtod2u9pbeqboa@4ax.com...
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:51:41 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:


"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

[..].

problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact
or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line
as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.

Evasion noted.

Snip bullshit.


is this all you got??

It's all you deserve.

On 24 Apr 2005 13:35:21 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:


Widdershins wrote:
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going
to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that
nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the
planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity
of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most
likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by
impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the
line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

The Inquisition probably.

I wasn't expecting the Inquisition

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will raise the
orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said object
farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.

This guy is a idiot and K'filed for good cause.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114357525.556015.159020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

ring_theory wrote:
I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

HAAAAAH, HAH, HAH, HAH, HAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH...!!! Tell me, What is the
reason that we explore in the first place? It's because we know little
or nothing. Wisdom comes with experience. You would have us wallow
indefinitely in enforced naivete'. How naive of you.

No. There is a less destructive approach to discovery. It's called lets
go
visit it. aka send a probe to land on it and ride piggyback collecting
data.

Write your congressman and demand more money be put towards such
endeavors.

There is a vast difference between blowing chunks out of a naturally
occuring anomolie and observing it emperically by collecting data over a
period of time.

Is it wrong for a geologist to use a hammer to break open a rock and
take a look inside?

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going
to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that
nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the
planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity
of
the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most
likely right
into earths path.

MOST likely? HAAAAAH, HAH, HAH, HAH, HAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH...!!!
Well,
you show me the orbital calculations you've performed to justify this
assertion, then we'll talk.

google it yourself orbital calculator

A few questions:

What is the comet going to "reach escape velocity" from?

What is the comet "slingshotting" around?

Expressed as a %, how much of the comet's mass and velocity will change as
a
result of the impact?

if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the
line
as
soon as the fall of 2010.

Shame on you nasa!

Shame on YOU, for wallowing in your own naivete'. Shame all over
you. Here's a towel.

-Mark Martin


There is no shame to my game and It's not "naivete'". you better come up
with something different your arguement is mearly tripe.

The Earth is 8,000 miles across--what are the odds that the comet
would hit the Earth rather than anywhere within a few million miles of the
Earth?

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net

"ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.


we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing
about.

How ironic that you should say that before spewing the following
hilariously stupid horseshit!

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is
going to do 2 things decrease it's mass and increase it's
velocity. I suspect that nasa is trying to get the comet to
impact with mars adding water to the planet which would be
good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of
the comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot
it'll reach escape velocity to soon and be hurtled in an
unexpected direction most likely right into earths path. if by
chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or the
unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the
line as soon as the fall of 2010.

Shame on you nasa!

ROTMFFLMMFAO

knowing mans luck our gravity will pull it in. The whole point is
that
the possibilities are near infinite.

"Ray Murphy" <raymur@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
news:426c3019_1@news.chariot.net.au...

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In article <x8Qae.16194$r53.5629@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:



"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going
to
do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that
nasa
is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet
which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of
the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact
or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line
as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing
the
orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In
the
same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is
the
vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions
for
conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on the
orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a microscopic
pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Ring

RM: I saw this post on Alt.Astrology and found it interesting, even
though I only understand about 10% of what you said.
Surely there would be other "mechanics" around who are doing similar
testng.



No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.
everyone else seems to think it's a hoax. really all it takes is a little
commonsense to figure it out.

ring

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:09:53 -0700, Bob Officer
bobofficers@invalid.net> wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to
do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that
nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet
which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of
the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact
or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line
as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will raise
the
orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said
object
farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.