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C.W.
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:39 am
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New York Times
January 5, 2004

Mad Cow Forces Beef Industry to Change Course
By MICHAEL MOSS, RICHARD A. OPPEL JR. and SIMON ROMERO

Jeffrey Behling, a dairy farmer in Washington State, used to burn the
carcasses of his hobbled "downer" cattle until he found there was a
market for their meat. Even so, selling damaged cows for human
consumption never sat well with Mr. Behling, who in 2001 briefly had
in his feedlot the Holstein cow identified last month as the downer
with mad cow disease.

"It's an absurd practice," Mr. Behling, 44, said in an interview.
"Foolishness caused by maybe a certain amount of greed."

The financial motive that drove the industry to defend practices like
selling downers has been turned on its head by the discovery of mad
cow disease. Now, in an attempt to rescue the market for American
beef, the industry is being forced to accept regulation it has long
fought.

But some large American companies that process and sell beef had
already abandoned those more controversial practices, which had been a
rallying point for food safety advocates since mad cow disease
appeared overseas nearly two decades ago. While a schism developed in
the industry, the current crisis reveals how government regulators
sided with companies that adhered to those methods of operation.

When an animal rights group, Farm Sanctuary, and an individual,
Michael Baur, sued the government to force a ban on using downer
animals for food, government lawyers persuaded a federal judge to
dismiss the case on the ground that mad cow disease, or bovine
spongiform encephalopathy, had not appeared in the United States.

"The threat of B.S.E. from downed livestock is not `real and
immediate,' " the lawyers argued. "B.S.E. has never been found in the
country's livestock, and there is no reasoned basis to expect that it
ever will be considering the measures being taken against it." An
appeals court reinstated the case on Dec. 16, 2003 - one week before
the announcement that the disease had been discovered.

For years, the industry had a simple strategy: Fight proposals that
would crimp its ability to squeeze as much revenue as possible from
each cow. The finances were compelling.

At least 150,000 downer cattle - those who because of injury or
illness cannot walk - were sold annually for human consumption for as
much as a few hundred dollars apiece, extra money for cattlemen
struggling with low prices. Food safety advocates warned that these
cattle could carry disease, but the political power of the industry
was evident in 2002 when its lobbyists helped defeat legislation
banning the commercial slaughter of downer cattle even after it had
been approved by the House and the Senate.

In the 1990's, meatpackers bought machines that were able to strip a
few extra pounds off carcasses while saving millions in labor costs.
Critics tried to limit the use of the so-called advanced meat recovery
systems, citing studies showing that the extra meat was sometimes
laced with nerve tissues, where mad cow disease can incubate. But by
one consultant's account several years ago, getting rid of the
machines would mean a loss to the industry of more than $130 million a
year.

Now the money saved by fighting those changes is dwarfed by the
billions the industry stands to lose unless it can convince consumers,
especially overseas, that its beef is safe.

"They played a high-risk, high-stakes game, and they lost their bet,"
said Representative Gary L. Ackerman, a New York Democrat who pushed
for a ban on the commercial slaughter of downer cows. "Now the
perception among millions of people is that this product isn't safe,
and they can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again."

It Was the Best of Times

As part of the campaign to restore consumer confidence, Agriculture
Secretary Ann M. Veneman last week banned the use of downer cattle for
meat and imposed further regulation on advanced recovery systems.
Still, after the disease was detected last month, cattle prices
plunged about 20 percent, while the $3.6 billion export market for
beef, veal and variety meats largely evaporated, according to
Cattle-Fax, an industry research firm. This came after United States
beef prices had reached record highs, partly because of the
restriction of imports from Canada after the mad cow outbreak there
and the rising popularity of beef-friendly eating trends like the
Atkins diet.

"The last year had been heaven on earth for beef producers," said Don
Stull, a co-author of "Slaughterhouse Blues," a study of the meat
industry.

But even in the best of times, meatpacking remains a cutthroat
business. Steve Kay, the publisher of Cattle Buyers Weekly, estimates
that profit margins rarely climb above 2 percent as companies deal
with fluctuating cattle prices and relatively higher labor costs.

Those financial constraints, which led meatpackers to harvest every
last pound of meat, also caused consolidation in the industry.

Five meatpackers now slaughter more than 80 percent of the nation's
steers and heifers: Tyson, Excel, Swift, National Beef Packing and
Smithfield. Bigger slaughterhouses have cut processing costs by as
much as 40 percent, according to Agriculture Department data.
Wholesale beef prices have declined almost every year since the early
1980's.

"We have the cheapest food supply in the world in terms of what we
spend on food as part of our incomes," said Dean Cliver, a professor
of population health at the University of California at Davis.

Affordable beef has helped make for easy relations between the
industry and federal regulators. According to the Center for Science
in the Public Interest, a consumer group, a dozen top officials of the
Department of Agriculture have worked or lobbied for the industry or
for industry trade groups. They include Jim Moseley, the deputy
agriculture secretary, who was managing director of Infinity Pork LLC,
a hog farm; Dr. Chuck Lambert, the deputy under secretary for
marketing and regulatory programs, who was chief economist of the
National Cattlemen's Beef Association; and Mary Waters, the assistant
secretary for Congressional relations, who was senior director and
legislative counsel for ConAgra Foods. "It's not surprising the
industry has so much influence given the number of U.S.D.A. officials
who have been hired directly out of the meat industry," said Caroline
Smith DeWaal, the center's food safety director.

Alisa Harrison, the department's press secretary, said Secretary
Veneman set policy by consulting a wide range of advisers and interest
groups. "To make a sweeping charge that her decisions are influenced
just because she has people from industry on her staff is very
disingenuous," she said. She also noted that the department's top food
safety official, Dr. Elsa A. Murano, had been director of the Center
for Food Safety at Texas A&M University.

Ms. Harrison also said the department had been attentive to the
dangers of mad cow well before last month. "We were able to make the
quick announcement that we did last week because a lot of the
groundwork had been going on" since the discovery in May of a cow in
Canada with the disease, she said. "These are things we have been
looking at."

But the debate over the advanced recovery system shows how the
industry and regulators have resisted pressure from safety advocates
since the disease appeared in Britain in 1986 and then spread to 18
other European countries.

New Process, New Concerns

The technology, developed a decade ago, uses hydraulic pressure to
force extra pounds off cow carcasses, producing filler for processed
foods like hamburger, hot dogs and pizza toppings. Consumer groups
initially complained that bone was getting into the advanced meat
recovery product and argued that the product should not be labeled as
beef. Then, in 1997, federal agriculture officials announced that they
had found spinal cord tissue in some of the meat.

Concerned that the nerve tissue could increase the public's risk of
contracting mad cow disease, consumer groups asked the government to
ban the technology, said Linda Golodner, president of the National
Consumers League.

But both the industry and government regulators resisted, arguing that
the absence of the disease in the United States showed that there was
no problem. "For us, so far, it's a non-public-health issue because we
have no B.S.E.," Kaye Wachsmuth, who was then deputy administrator for
public health science at the Agriculture Department, said in 1998.

There were other arguments against the ban. The machinery replaced
workers who could suffer crippling injury from trimming the carcasses
by hand; one consultant study estimated that 394 workers would be
injured if slaughterhouses returned to hand-trimming.

Companies that sell the machines say such beef poses no threat. "The
accepted science essentially states that there is not any relationship
between B.S.E. and A.M.R.," said Harold T. Hodges, vice president of
government relations and product quality for the BFD Corporation, one
of the distributors of the machines. "We've never had an issue."

Proponents of the technology argued that proper enforcement of the
technology, rather than a ban, could prevent contamination.

"It's always been a legitimate enforcement compliance issue to ensure
that what you call beef is beef," said Robert Hibbert, a lawyer who
represented meat processors that used the technology. "There is no
justification for banning something on the basis that it has been
removed by a machine rather than by hand with a knife."

But some industry officials worried that not every processor used the
machinery properly. At an American Meat Institute conference in
Chicago in 1997, an executive of a major beef producer warned that
applying too much pressure would force bone material into the beefy
mush. In addition, the spinal cord has to be carefully removed before
the cow carcass is fed to the machine.

Second Thoughts

As federal officials continued to find traces of nervous-system tissue
in recovered beef, some companies determined that the potential cost
of these practices outweighed the gains.

With consumer groups pressing for a boycott of meat produced using
advanced recovery technology, a host of restaurants and producers
announced they were advanced meat recovery free, including General
Mills and McDonald's, which swore off downer-cow meat as well.

In a fact sheet, McDonald's says, "These policies meet or exceed all
government requirements, and have been reviewed by our international
scientific council on B.S.E., made up of renowned experts in this
field."

Meanwhile, some slaughterhouses had other reasons to stop using the
machines. In late 2002, Shapiro Packing, a processor in Augusta, Ga.,
produced tainted beef using the machinery system. The contaminated
material was destroyed, but the company had to spend a lot of money to
shore up its operation, said Dane Bernard, vice president for food
safety at Keystone Foods, which manages Shapiro Packing.

Additional workers were placed on the line to ensure that the
carcasses were properly stripped of their spinal cords, and the
company's inspections became nearly continuous, Mr. Bernard said. The
new measures increased expenses while big beef buyers were boasting
that their food was not processed using advanced meat-recovery
systems. So last summer, Shapiro mothballed its machinery and returned
to manual trimming.

"I can't say we had a crystal ball," Mr. Bernard said. "Sometimes it's
better to be lucky than good."

The discovery of mad cow disease is likely to increase the debate over
the technology. Dr. Wachsmuth, the agriculture official who defended
the technology in 1998, said in an interview on Saturday that the
absence of the disease had been an important factor in that defense.
"The mere threat of it wasn't enough," said Dr. Wachsmuth, who is now
retired. "Now that we do have B.S.E., maybe it should be revisited."

Dan Murphy, a spokesman for the American Meat Institute, the
meatpackers' trade group, said the number of processors using the
technology had recently fallen to fewer than 30 from 35. He said that
the machines once produced several hundred million pounds of meat a
year, but that a survey in late 2002 found the number had dropped to
45 million.

Even so, he said, "We're confident that this is a safe, wholesome
product that doesn't trigger any concern or carry any danger in its
use." But he acknowledged that some members of the association were
less supportive: "There are companies that would just as soon we said
nothing."

In her announcement last week, Secretary Veneman imposed regulations
intended to further keep unwanted tissue from the food supply, but she
stopped short of a ban on the technology.

Mr. Murphy, the industry spokesman, acknowledged that a further review
of the technology was possible, especially if there is pressure from
overseas trading partners. "Nobody is going to give up $1.2 billion in
beef trade for a handful of A.M.R.," he said.

In Washington State, Mr. Behling, the onetime holder of the diseased
cow, said that in the days since the discovery of mad cow, the
industry has learned that lesson in global economics. Mr. Behling, who
has a few thousand cows in his operation, said that when the
occasional downer cow appeared, a slaughterer would drive out to his
farm with a hoist and give him $100 for the hobbled animal.

But in the wake of the mad cow crisis, he said, "My feeling is that
any money that dairy farmers might have made from downer cows, they
gave it all back this week."

========================================================
Bill
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:36 am
Guest
Is it still only one cow that has been found in the United States to have
the disease? I mean, the article (what of it I read, it was very boring)
made it sound as if the was some actual danger. Maybe thousands were found
to be infected and I didn't read about it yet?
Steve Wertz
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:47 am
Guest
Bice to see your MO hasn't changed.

This idiots sole purpose in life is to post articles he clips off the
internet. He always uses a different name, never has any thoughts of
his own to add, and crossposts to wildly off-topic groups.

The guy is nothing but troll.

-sw
Rubystars
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:34 am
Guest
"Bill" <willat0660@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HB7Kb.6860$Ui2.2136471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Quote:
Is it still only one cow that has been found in the United States to have
the disease? I mean, the article (what of it I read, it was very boring)
made it sound as if the was some actual danger. Maybe thousands were
found
to be infected and I didn't read about it yet?

There's been speculation that many of the people who were diagnosed with
Alzheimer's in the US may have actually had CJD. I thought I read something
about the brains of people who had died from Alzheimer's being studied and
the ones doing it finding out they had died of CJD, but I can't remember
where the article is now.

-Rubystars
Jeff
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:00 am
Guest
"Rubystars" <windstorm@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:Kr8Kb.809$W04.367362145@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
Quote:

"Bill" <willat0660@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HB7Kb.6860$Ui2.2136471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Is it still only one cow that has been found in the United States to
have
the disease? I mean, the article (what of it I read, it was very
boring)
made it sound as if the was some actual danger. Maybe thousands were
found
to be infected and I didn't read about it yet?

There's been speculation that many of the people who were diagnosed with
Alzheimer's in the US may have actually had CJD. I thought I read
something
about the brains of people who had died from Alzheimer's being studied and
the ones doing it finding out they had died of CJD, but I can't remember
where the article is now.

-Rubystars

There is no proof what so ever that those inflicted with Alzheimer's had in

fact CJD. There was one cow found to be diseased. They said millions would
die in England when they had their scare and they had thousands of diseased
cattle. They had a couple of deaths there. More liberal media hocus pocus.
We had one cow in Canada and not one illness. These fuck wads in the media
don't care how they sell papers or get ratings.

Jeff
Oz
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:10 am
Guest
Jeff <augier@mts.ca> writes

Quote:
There is no proof what so ever that those inflicted with Alzheimer's had in
fact CJD.

It's not unknown, apparently, for people who have died of alzheimers to
also be showing some CJD-like pathology. They probably have heart
disease too ....

Quote:
There was one cow found to be diseased. They said millions would
die in England when they had their scare

Some people said 10's of millions (a vegetarian professor of
microbiology for example).

Quote:
and they had thousands of diseased
cattle.

Actually about 170,000 clinical cases of BSE,
probably about a million counting sub-clinical cases.

Quote:
They had a couple of deaths there.

Under 150 over 10 years, about 20/year in a population of 60M.

Quote:
More liberal media hocus pocus.
We had one cow in Canada and not one illness. These fuck wads in the media
don't care how they sell papers or get ratings.

This is normal. It so easy to sell copy by producing scare stories
written by ignorant journalists for an ignorant and fearful population
that they seem to find it irresistible.

I do hope someone sues a few newspapers,
there would be a cheer from across the water.

--
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.
DEMON address no longer in use.
Torsten Brinch
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:08 am
Guest
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 03:00:20 -0600, "Jeff" <augier@mts.ca> wrote:

Quote:

"Rubystars" <windstorm@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:Kr8Kb.809$W04.367362145@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...

There's been speculation that many of the people who were diagnosed with
Alzheimer's in the US may have actually had CJD. I thought I read
something
about the brains of people who had died from Alzheimer's being studied and
the ones doing it finding out they had died of CJD, but I can't remember
where the article is now.

There is no proof what so ever that those inflicted with Alzheimer's had in
fact CJD.

We must be careful not to mix up things. There is a disease we can call
CJD (classical CJD), and another distinct from it, called vCJD (variant
CJD). Undoubtedly there have been people diagnosed with Alzheimer's
who really died from CJD, but not likely any from vCJD. vCJD affects
relatively young people.

Quote:
There was one cow found to be diseased. They said millions would
die in England when they had their scare and they had thousands of diseased
cattle. <snip

Pointedly one could say some said there was only a relatively few BSE
clinical cases at one stage during the UK epizootic , with the case
number appearing to be leveling out at a low prevalence. Downplaying
it, so maybe it was no big deal, one could wait and see. However, they
were sitting on a huge number of subclinical cases, the proverbial
hidden part of the ice-berg they just could not see yet, and we are to
be happy that some were sufficiently foresighted to act accordingly.

It is difficult to come to terms with a disease with long incubation,
and more so, when the disease is new. When vCJD first emerged it was
known that people in England had eaten 100s of thousands of subclinical
BSE affected cattle. Necessarily any reasonably estimated ranges for
the possible scope of the newly discovered disease would have to be
wide. In either case complacency, leaning to the low end would have to
be out of the question.
JimLane
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:16 am
Guest
Steve Wertz wrote:
Quote:
Bice to see your MO hasn't changed.

This idiots sole purpose in life is to post articles he clips off the
internet. He always uses a different name, never has any thoughts of
his own to add, and crossposts to wildly off-topic groups.

The guy is nothing but troll.

-sw

Yeah, he's a vegetarian with an inferiority complex. Feels he has to
masturbate at the keyboards for entertainment. BTW, he's a plagerist
also. Betting he does not have the sources permission to cut and paste
this.


jim
Guest
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:20 am
http://www.prwatch.org/books/madcow.html

This guy had mad cow disease pegged in 1997. Download the entire book
for free. It is in pdf format.


On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:39:41 GMT, cw@nerr.com (C.W.) wrote:

Quote:
New York Times
January 5, 2004

Mad Cow Forces Beef Industry to Change Course
By MICHAEL MOSS, RICHARD A. OPPEL JR. and SIMON ROMERO

Jeffrey Behling, a dairy farmer in Washington State, used to burn the
carcasses of his hobbled "downer" cattle until he found there was a
market for their meat. Even so, selling damaged cows for human
consumption never sat well with Mr. Behling, who in 2001 briefly had
in his feedlot the Holstein cow identified last month as the downer
with mad cow disease.

"It's an absurd practice," Mr. Behling, 44, said in an interview.
"Foolishness caused by maybe a certain amount of greed."

The financial motive that drove the industry to defend practices like
selling downers has been turned on its head by the discovery of mad
cow disease. Now, in an attempt to rescue the market for American
beef, the industry is being forced to accept regulation it has long
fought.

But some large American companies that process and sell beef had
already abandoned those more controversial practices, which had been a
rallying point for food safety advocates since mad cow disease
appeared overseas nearly two decades ago. While a schism developed in
the industry, the current crisis reveals how government regulators
sided with companies that adhered to those methods of operation.

When an animal rights group, Farm Sanctuary, and an individual,
Michael Baur, sued the government to force a ban on using downer
animals for food, government lawyers persuaded a federal judge to
dismiss the case on the ground that mad cow disease, or bovine
spongiform encephalopathy, had not appeared in the United States.

"The threat of B.S.E. from downed livestock is not `real and
immediate,' " the lawyers argued. "B.S.E. has never been found in the
country's livestock, and there is no reasoned basis to expect that it
ever will be considering the measures being taken against it." An
appeals court reinstated the case on Dec. 16, 2003 - one week before
the announcement that the disease had been discovered.

For years, the industry had a simple strategy: Fight proposals that
would crimp its ability to squeeze as much revenue as possible from
each cow. The finances were compelling.

At least 150,000 downer cattle - those who because of injury or
illness cannot walk - were sold annually for human consumption for as
much as a few hundred dollars apiece, extra money for cattlemen
struggling with low prices. Food safety advocates warned that these
cattle could carry disease, but the political power of the industry
was evident in 2002 when its lobbyists helped defeat legislation
banning the commercial slaughter of downer cattle even after it had
been approved by the House and the Senate.

In the 1990's, meatpackers bought machines that were able to strip a
few extra pounds off carcasses while saving millions in labor costs.
Critics tried to limit the use of the so-called advanced meat recovery
systems, citing studies showing that the extra meat was sometimes
laced with nerve tissues, where mad cow disease can incubate. But by
one consultant's account several years ago, getting rid of the
machines would mean a loss to the industry of more than $130 million a
year.

Now the money saved by fighting those changes is dwarfed by the
billions the industry stands to lose unless it can convince consumers,
especially overseas, that its beef is safe.

"They played a high-risk, high-stakes game, and they lost their bet,"
said Representative Gary L. Ackerman, a New York Democrat who pushed
for a ban on the commercial slaughter of downer cows. "Now the
perception among millions of people is that this product isn't safe,
and they can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again."

It Was the Best of Times

As part of the campaign to restore consumer confidence, Agriculture
Secretary Ann M. Veneman last week banned the use of downer cattle for
meat and imposed further regulation on advanced recovery systems.
Still, after the disease was detected last month, cattle prices
plunged about 20 percent, while the $3.6 billion export market for
beef, veal and variety meats largely evaporated, according to
Cattle-Fax, an industry research firm. This came after United States
beef prices had reached record highs, partly because of the
restriction of imports from Canada after the mad cow outbreak there
and the rising popularity of beef-friendly eating trends like the
Atkins diet.

"The last year had been heaven on earth for beef producers," said Don
Stull, a co-author of "Slaughterhouse Blues," a study of the meat
industry.

But even in the best of times, meatpacking remains a cutthroat
business. Steve Kay, the publisher of Cattle Buyers Weekly, estimates
that profit margins rarely climb above 2 percent as companies deal
with fluctuating cattle prices and relatively higher labor costs.

Those financial constraints, which led meatpackers to harvest every
last pound of meat, also caused consolidation in the industry.

Five meatpackers now slaughter more than 80 percent of the nation's
steers and heifers: Tyson, Excel, Swift, National Beef Packing and
Smithfield. Bigger slaughterhouses have cut processing costs by as
much as 40 percent, according to Agriculture Department data.
Wholesale beef prices have declined almost every year since the early
1980's.

"We have the cheapest food supply in the world in terms of what we
spend on food as part of our incomes," said Dean Cliver, a professor
of population health at the University of California at Davis.

Affordable beef has helped make for easy relations between the
industry and federal regulators. According to the Center for Science
in the Public Interest, a consumer group, a dozen top officials of the
Department of Agriculture have worked or lobbied for the industry or
for industry trade groups. They include Jim Moseley, the deputy
agriculture secretary, who was managing director of Infinity Pork LLC,
a hog farm; Dr. Chuck Lambert, the deputy under secretary for
marketing and regulatory programs, who was chief economist of the
National Cattlemen's Beef Association; and Mary Waters, the assistant
secretary for Congressional relations, who was senior director and
legislative counsel for ConAgra Foods. "It's not surprising the
industry has so much influence given the number of U.S.D.A. officials
who have been hired directly out of the meat industry," said Caroline
Smith DeWaal, the center's food safety director.

Alisa Harrison, the department's press secretary, said Secretary
Veneman set policy by consulting a wide range of advisers and interest
groups. "To make a sweeping charge that her decisions are influenced
just because she has people from industry on her staff is very
disingenuous," she said. She also noted that the department's top food
safety official, Dr. Elsa A. Murano, had been director of the Center
for Food Safety at Texas A&M University.

Ms. Harrison also said the department had been attentive to the
dangers of mad cow well before last month. "We were able to make the
quick announcement that we did last week because a lot of the
groundwork had been going on" since the discovery in May of a cow in
Canada with the disease, she said. "These are things we have been
looking at."

But the debate over the advanced recovery system shows how the
industry and regulators have resisted pressure from safety advocates
since the disease appeared in Britain in 1986 and then spread to 18
other European countries.

New Process, New Concerns

The technology, developed a decade ago, uses hydraulic pressure to
force extra pounds off cow carcasses, producing filler for processed
foods like hamburger, hot dogs and pizza toppings. Consumer groups
initially complained that bone was getting into the advanced meat
recovery product and argued that the product should not be labeled as
beef. Then, in 1997, federal agriculture officials announced that they
had found spinal cord tissue in some of the meat.

Concerned that the nerve tissue could increase the public's risk of
contracting mad cow disease, consumer groups asked the government to
ban the technology, said Linda Golodner, president of the National
Consumers League.

But both the industry and government regulators resisted, arguing that
the absence of the disease in the United States showed that there was
no problem. "For us, so far, it's a non-public-health issue because we
have no B.S.E.," Kaye Wachsmuth, who was then deputy administrator for
public health science at the Agriculture Department, said in 1998.

There were other arguments against the ban. The machinery replaced
workers who could suffer crippling injury from trimming the carcasses
by hand; one consultant study estimated that 394 workers would be
injured if slaughterhouses returned to hand-trimming.

Companies that sell the machines say such beef poses no threat. "The
accepted science essentially states that there is not any relationship
between B.S.E. and A.M.R.," said Harold T. Hodges, vice president of
government relations and product quality for the BFD Corporation, one
of the distributors of the machines. "We've never had an issue."

Proponents of the technology argued that proper enforcement of the
technology, rather than a ban, could prevent contamination.

"It's always been a legitimate enforcement compliance issue to ensure
that what you call beef is beef," said Robert Hibbert, a lawyer who
represented meat processors that used the technology. "There is no
justification for banning something on the basis that it has been
removed by a machine rather than by hand with a knife."

But some industry officials worried that not every processor used the
machinery properly. At an American Meat Institute conference in
Chicago in 1997, an executive of a major beef producer warned that
applying too much pressure would force bone material into the beefy
mush. In addition, the spinal cord has to be carefully removed before
the cow carcass is fed to the machine.

Second Thoughts

As federal officials continued to find traces of nervous-system tissue
in recovered beef, some companies determined that the potential cost
of these practices outweighed the gains.

With consumer groups pressing for a boycott of meat produced using
advanced recovery technology, a host of restaurants and producers
announced they were advanced meat recovery free, including General
Mills and McDonald's, which swore off downer-cow meat as well.

In a fact sheet, McDonald's says, "These policies meet or exceed all
government requirements, and have been reviewed by our international
scientific council on B.S.E., made up of renowned experts in this
field."

Meanwhile, some slaughterhouses had other reasons to stop using the
machines. In late 2002, Shapiro Packing, a processor in Augusta, Ga.,
produced tainted beef using the machinery system. The contaminated
material was destroyed, but the company had to spend a lot of money to
shore up its operation, said Dane Bernard, vice president for food
safety at Keystone Foods, which manages Shapiro Packing.

Additional workers were placed on the line to ensure that the
carcasses were properly stripped of their spinal cords, and the
company's inspections became nearly continuous, Mr. Bernard said. The
new measures increased expenses while big beef buyers were boasting
that their food was not processed using advanced meat-recovery
systems. So last summer, Shapiro mothballed its machinery and returned
to manual trimming.

"I can't say we had a crystal ball," Mr. Bernard said. "Sometimes it's
better to be lucky than good."

The discovery of mad cow disease is likely to increase the debate over
the technology. Dr. Wachsmuth, the agriculture official who defended
the technology in 1998, said in an interview on Saturday that the
absence of the disease had been an important factor in that defense.
"The mere threat of it wasn't enough," said Dr. Wachsmuth, who is now
retired. "Now that we do have B.S.E., maybe it should be revisited."

Dan Murphy, a spokesman for the American Meat Institute, the
meatpackers' trade group, said the number of processors using the
technology had recently fallen to fewer than 30 from 35. He said that
the machines once produced several hundred million pounds of meat a
year, but that a survey in late 2002 found the number had dropped to
45 million.

Even so, he said, "We're confident that this is a safe, wholesome
product that doesn't trigger any concern or carry any danger in its
use." But he acknowledged that some members of the association were
less supportive: "There are companies that would just as soon we said
nothing."

In her announcement last week, Secretary Veneman imposed regulations
intended to further keep unwanted tissue from the food supply, but she
stopped short of a ban on the technology.

Mr. Murphy, the industry spokesman, acknowledged that a further review
of the technology was possible, especially if there is pressure from
overseas trading partners. "Nobody is going to give up $1.2 billion in
beef trade for a handful of A.M.R.," he said.

In Washington State, Mr. Behling, the onetime holder of the diseased
cow, said that in the days since the discovery of mad cow, the
industry has learned that lesson in global economics. Mr. Behling, who
has a few thousand cows in his operation, said that when the
occasional downer cow appeared, a slaughterer would drive out to his
farm with a hoist and give him $100 for the hobbled animal.

But in the wake of the mad cow crisis, he said, "My feeling is that
any money that dairy farmers might have made from downer cows, they
gave it all back this week."

========================================================
OrionCA
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:21 am
Guest
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:39:41 GMT, cw@nerr.com (C.W.) wrote:

Quote:
New York Times
January 5, 2004

<snip>

The # of cases of human illness linked to BSE-infected meat is exactly
-0-, even in the UK where the largest number of "Mad Cows" were found.
There's about 10 cases of neurological disorders that they SUGGEST
could be linked to BSE but there's no evidence that these people ever
consumed the "tainted" brain tissue so it's all speculation.

Meanwhile there are thousands of cases of people getting sick each
year - and even dying - from consuming spoilt or tainted beef. People
are in more danger of being injured by an angry housewife dropping a
frozen rump roast on their heads from a 4th story apartment window
than being injured by meat from a so-called "Mad Cow".
--
From the official Howard Dean website forum,
A typical Dean supporter comments on the
capture of the mass murderer Saddam Hussein:

Carrie B: "I can't believe this. I'm crying here. I
feel that we now don't have a chance in this election."
OrionCA
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:28 am
Guest
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:36:23 GMT, "Bill" <willat0660@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Is it still only one cow that has been found in the United States to have
the disease? I mean, the article (what of it I read, it was very boring)
made it sound as if the was some actual danger. Maybe thousands were found
to be infected and I didn't read about it yet?

There are 3 herds (so far) that may have consumed feed with cattle
meat in it before the 1997 ban took effect. The "Mad Cow" came from
one of those herds. They're pretty sure the cow came from Canada
which had the same problem switching over to pure-vegetable based feed
after the UK "Mad Cow" scare. There's been no evidence that any other
cattle from these herds is infected but the USDA is still testing
them. All three herds have been quarantined and are scheduled to be
destroyed when the investigation is complete.

The bad news is that meat from these herds has been found in
supermarkets across the Western United States. The good news is
there's no proof that "Mad Cow" disease can be caught by humans.
Nevertheless the authorities are being hyper-cautious about and
recalling all the potentially tainted meat they can find.
--
From the official Howard Dean website forum,
A typical Dean supporter comments on the
capture of the mass murderer Saddam Hussein:

Carrie B: "I can't believe this. I'm crying here. I
feel that we now don't have a chance in this election."
Oz
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:50 am
Guest
OrionCA <orionca@earthlink.net> writes

Quote:
The # of cases of human illness linked to BSE-infected meat is exactly
-0-, even in the UK where the largest number of "Mad Cows" were found.

Thats simply untrue. They are linked, not absolutely proven but more
than good enough evidence to base a strategy on.

Quote:
There's about 10 cases

Under 150 cases

Quote:
of neurological disorders that they SUGGEST
could be linked to BSE but there's no evidence that these people ever
consumed the "tainted" brain tissue so it's all speculation.

No, their prion was quite a good match for BSE, and the case curve shape
is what you would expect if BSE was the cause.

Quote:
Meanwhile there are thousands of cases of people getting sick each
year - and even dying - from consuming spoilt or tainted beef. People
are in more danger of being injured by an angry housewife dropping a
frozen rump roast on their heads from a 4th story apartment window
than being injured by meat from a so-called "Mad Cow".

That's true, but remember the UK *DID* institute controls to reduce
human exposure very considerably. So please try to keep rational.

--
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.
DEMON address no longer in use.
Jim Webster
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:01 am
Guest
"Torsten Brinch" <iaotb@inet.uni2.dk> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 03:00:20 -0600, "Jeff" <augier@mts.ca> wrote:


"Rubystars" <windstorm@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:Kr8Kb.809$W04.367362145@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...

There's been speculation that many of the people who were diagnosed
with
Alzheimer's in the US may have actually had CJD. I thought I read
something
about the brains of people who had died from Alzheimer's being studied
and
the ones doing it finding out they had died of CJD, but I can't
remember
where the article is now.

There is no proof what so ever that those inflicted with Alzheimer's had
in
fact CJD.

We must be careful not to mix up things. There is a disease we can call
CJD (classical CJD), and another distinct from it, called vCJD (variant
CJD). Undoubtedly there have been people diagnosed with Alzheimer's
who really died from CJD, but not likely any from vCJD. vCJD affects
relatively young people.

There was one cow found to be diseased. They said millions would
die in England when they had their scare and they had thousands of
diseased
cattle. <snip

Pointedly one could say some said there was only a relatively few BSE
clinical cases at one stage during the UK epizootic , with the case
number appearing to be leveling out at a low prevalence. Downplaying
it, so maybe it was no big deal, one could wait and see. However, they
were sitting on a huge number of subclinical cases, the proverbial
hidden part of the ice-berg they just could not see yet, and we are to
be happy that some were sufficiently foresighted to act accordingly.

note that when people have their tonsils out, these are now, in many parts
of the UK if not all of it, tested for nvCJD.. The idea being that these
tissues are among the first parts to become infective and therefore will be
a useful marker as to the number of cases. So far none have come up infected

Jim Webster
Paul M. Cook©®
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:27 am
Guest
"JimLane" <ensenadajim@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1073297772.934006@news-1.nethere.net...
Quote:
Steve Wertz wrote:
Bice to see your MO hasn't changed.

This idiots sole purpose in life is to post articles he clips off the
internet. He always uses a different name, never has any thoughts of
his own to add, and crossposts to wildly off-topic groups.

The guy is nothing but troll.

-sw

Yeah, he's a vegetarian with an inferiority complex. Feels he has to
masturbate at the keyboards for entertainment. BTW, he's a plagerist
also. Betting he does not have the sources permission to cut and paste
this.


Just so you know he doesn't have to. Copyright laws permit "fair use" for
educational purposes. Disseminating publications like that one fall under
that category.

Paul
Paul M. Cook©®
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:29 am
Guest
"OrionCA" <orionca@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:bmeivvgegrarqm49udr83m10rsv532nu50@4ax.com...
Quote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:36:23 GMT, "Bill" <willat0660@hotmail.com
wrote:

Is it still only one cow that has been found in the United States to have
the disease? I mean, the article (what of it I read, it was very boring)
made it sound as if the was some actual danger. Maybe thousands were
found
to be infected and I didn't read about it yet?

There are 3 herds (so far) that may have consumed feed with cattle
meat in it before the 1997 ban took effect. The "Mad Cow" came from
one of those herds. They're pretty sure the cow came from Canada
which had the same problem switching over to pure-vegetable based feed
after the UK "Mad Cow" scare. There's been no evidence that any other
cattle from these herds is infected but the USDA is still testing
them. All three herds have been quarantined and are scheduled to be
destroyed when the investigation is complete.

The bad news is that meat from these herds has been found in
supermarkets across the Western United States. The good news is
there's no proof that "Mad Cow" disease can be caught by humans.
Nevertheless the authorities are being hyper-cautious about and
recalling all the potentially tainted meat they can find.

Tell that to the 150 or so people who died from it in England in the 80s.
It most definitely does infect humans.

Paul
 
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