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| George Buyanovsky |
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The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky |
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| Bruce Percy |
| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:43 pm |
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:03:27 -0800, George Buyanovsky wrote:
Quote: The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this
one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
1. "THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
2. Statement 1. is true
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| Mike |
| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:49 pm |
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how do you define absolute?
"George Buyanovsky" <buyanovsky@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Quote: The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this
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"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky |
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| Richard |
| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 6:43 pm |
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George Buyanovsky wrote:
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The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
No it isn't George.
Define "statement".
Define "absolutely"
Define "true".
Define your "premises".
Then take "your meds".
I know that you're supposed to be on meds, because according to you it
cannot be true that "George doesn't take meds".
:)
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| Bill Smith |
| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:40 am |
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"George Buyanovsky" <buyanovsky@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Quote: The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth"
You said it already. Why do you need to say anything more?
(How about this one?) ;o)
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"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
This statement is false if your first statement is true.
It seems you have been tortured by locking you up in a round room and
telling you that can only piss at a corner.
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| Tue Sorensen |
| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:11 pm |
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buyanovsky@attbi.com (George Buyanovsky) wrote in message news:<d7221cc2.0401021303.24543304@posting.google.com>...
Quote: The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
If there were no truth, neither would there be any lies. If reality
exists, then its existence is true, thus proving that truth exists. If
reality doesn't exist, how could we be deceived into experiencing it?
How can there be deception unless that deception masks a reality about
which we're being deceived? Either way, some kind of reality must
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| George Buyanovsky |
| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:10 pm |
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Bruce Percy <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.02.21.43.08.841352@nospam.com>...
Quote: On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:03:27 -0800, George Buyanovsky wrote:
The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this
one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
1. "THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
2. Statement 1. is true
:)
You are right; technically this joke does not work, however let us try
to modify your arrangement:
1. "THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE
STATEMENT."
2. Statement "THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE
STATEMENT" is true
3. Statement "Statement "THI …. " .. " is true
4….
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It seems that statements 2,3,4… are identical to statement 1.
Probably the key of uncertainty is "THIS STATEMENT"
Regards,
George |
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| George Buyanovsky |
| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:33 pm |
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"Bill Smith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<bt6nn1$m1g$1@usenet.otenet.gr>...
Quote: "George Buyanovsky" <buyanovsky@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:d7221cc2.0401021303.24543304@posting.google.com...
The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth"
You said it already. Why do you need to say anything more?
(How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
This statement is false if your first statement is true.
It seems you have been tortured by locking you up in a round room and
telling you that can only piss at a corner.
Clarification for You:
"There is no absolute truth"
How about "There is no absolute truth" ?
Is it absolute?
Regards,
George |
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| Nuvoadam |
| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:46 pm |
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twocrafts@hotmail.com (Tue Sorensen) wrote in message news:<c50450f6.0401031111.5747e05a@posting.google.com>...
Quote: buyanovsky@attbi.com (George Buyanovsky) wrote in message news:<d7221cc2.0401021303.24543304@posting.google.com>...
The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
If there were no truth, neither would there be any lies. If reality
exists, then its existence is true, thus proving that truth exists. If
reality doesn't exist, how could we be deceived into experiencing it?
How can there be deception unless that deception masks a reality about
which we're being deceived? Either way, some kind of reality must
exist, thus proving something true.
""One Day Tesshu, the famous swordsman and zen devotee, went
to Dokuon and told him triumphantly he believed all that exists
is empty, there is no you or me, and so on. The master, who had
listened in silence, suddenly snatched up his long tobacco pipe
and struck Tesshu's head. The infuriated swordsman would have
killed the master there and then, but Dokuon said calmly,
"Emptiness is quick to show its anger, isn't it?"
Forcing a smile, Tesshu left the room.""
(Soul Food -- Stories to Nourish the Spirit and the Heart
Ed. Jack Kornfield & Christina Feldman)
Accept the terrible truth that all is illusion. All being One,
wherever you go, there you are. But that doesn't have to ruin
things. The Gnosis of illusion and what to do about it leads
the seeker to Moksha-- experiential knowledge of the liberation
from dualistic bondage. The choice after Moksha is your own.
Return to source? To nothingness? Or choose the road for the
sake of the undiscovered country and the experience of experience
for the sake of itself.
Accept the terrible truth and return to yourself. Your path
after that crossroads is your own choice. =~)
"Students achieving oneness, will move ahead to twoness."
(Woody Allen)
"We shall not cease from exploration.
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
Knowing the place for the first time."
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| Richard |
| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:50 pm |
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George Buyanovsky wrote:
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"Bill Smith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<bt6nn1$m1g$1@usenet.otenet.gr>...
"George Buyanovsky" <buyanovsky@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:d7221cc2.0401021303.24543304@posting.google.com...
The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth"
You said it already. Why do you need to say anything more?
(How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
This statement is false if your first statement is true.
It seems you have been tortured by locking you up in a round room and
telling you that can only piss at a corner.
Clarification for You:
"There is no absolute truth"
How about "There is no absolute truth" ?
Is it absolute?
Regards,
George
That one is much more intriguing George:)
Richard |
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| George Buyanovsky |
| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:35 pm |
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twocrafts@hotmail.com (Tue Sorensen) wrote in message news:<c50450f6.0401031111.5747e05a@posting.google.com>...
Quote: If there were no truth, neither would there be any lies. If reality
exists, then its existence is true, thus proving that truth exists. If
reality doesn't exist, how could we be deceived into experiencing it?
How can there be deception unless that deception masks a reality about
which we're being deceived? Either way, some kind of reality must
exist, thus proving something true.
I did not deny truth, those joke shows that it is a
murky/subjective/relative subject. It is just properties of some model
(our mind as well). However it is a banal but significant percentage
of non-stupid people still consider reality as an absolute entity. It
is a cozy simplification, which has the same root as any religion
(sometimes they call it materialism). Certainly I am not free from the
same temptation but at least I see this.
Regards,
George |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:13 am |
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"Tue Sorensen" <twocrafts@hotmail.com> wrote in
Quote: buyanovsky@attbi.com (George Buyanovsky)
The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
If there were no truth, neither would there be any lies. If reality
exists, then its existence is true, thus proving that truth exists. If
reality doesn't exist, how could we be deceived into experiencing it?
How can there be deception unless that deception masks a reality about
which we're being deceived? Either way, some kind of reality must
exist, thus proving something true.
Tue true!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:13 am |
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"Tue Sorensen" <twocrafts@hotmail.com> wrote in
Quote: buyanovsky@attbi.com (George Buyanovsky)
The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
If there were no truth, neither would there be any lies. If reality
exists, then its existence is true, thus proving that truth exists. If
reality doesn't exist, how could we be deceived into experiencing it?
How can there be deception unless that deception masks a reality about
which we're being deceived? Either way, some kind of reality must
exist, thus proving something true.
Tue true!
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| Joseph Hertzlinger |
| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:15 am |
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On 2 Jan 2004 13:03:27 -0800, George Buyanovsky <buyanovsky@attbi.com> wrote:
Quote: The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
Is that a Henkin sentence?
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http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com |
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| Joseph Hertzlinger |
| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:15 am |
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On 2 Jan 2004 13:03:27 -0800, George Buyanovsky <buyanovsky@attbi.com> wrote:
Quote: The consistent way to say, "There is no absolute truth" (How about this one?) ;o)
"THIS STATEMENT IS THE ONLY AND ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY-TRUE STATEMENT."
George Buyanovsky
Is that a Henkin sentence?
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http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com |
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