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| Edmond Wollmann |
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"Christine" <a.huyg@planet.nl> wrote in message
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Quote: "Victoria" <raveness@aol.comnospam> schreef in bericht
news:20031120170907.28524.00000608@mb-m11.aol.com...
Just checked his chart
8-29-58
12:00 pm
Gary Indiana
Looks like ol Pluto is conjunct Saturn, upcoming Uranus oppose Sun
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I think I recall Neptune squaring ascendant. Ideas?
Victoria
from beautiful El Granada
Hi Victoria,
My data base gives a birth time of 06.54 CST.
Daylight time was in effect, is this then really 7:54 CDT?
Quote: Virgo Asc; Gemini MC. Mercury in 11th.
Tr. Uranus will oppose the Sun-Pluto in 12th (Placidus) which itself
opposes
the Pisces Moon. He literally lives as a Peter Pan in a fairy-tale
world,
which is his way of surviving life. He'll be as a lamb going to the
slaughter as every stone is turned to get a conviction. The 12th
house
secret enemies are probably not only those in power but also the
Sun-Pluto
people seeking a fat pay off for their silence.
Wouldn't it be wiser to delineate the chart psychologically first so
we know from whence his perspective comes? His Moon (ruling 11 of love
received) in Picses (natural 12th house ruler, compassion and
understanding) is in a full moon configuration with the Sun in the
12th (psychological limitation and self-undoing) from the 6th (a need
to be analytically correct with regard to "music" for one thing). So
to begin, we have a perspective illumination (6/12, and also in the
6/12 signs) that implies a very strong belief that he will be
misunderstood and feels he must resolve this conflict. Saturn is in 3
(conjunct 4-emotional security and psychological foundation)
indicating a tremendously "competitive" early environment, and demand
on communication focus (3rd). This full moon birth requires the
resolution of the self VS the "collective" perspective--a problematic
perspective that cannot resolve how the recognition he receives is not
"really" love but admiration and celebrity. This person cannot
reconcile his need for love and understanding with the plasticity of
his recognition for his flamboyance in performance (Uranus and Venus
in Leo). This is his achilles heel.
Michael is a very troubled person, who's childhood, although
materially sucessful, was painful emotionally and more concerned with
the "success" of his self-epression (Saturn rules 5) instead of it
being a reflection of himself. His intellect and ideas were not valued
(Sagittarius). The moon position then, reflects his overanalysis of
his needs for sensitive matters of the heart, and he overcompensates
by being the "gentle soul". The moon opposed Pluto indicates a
tremendous manipulating mother, and that his emotional needs were used
to create his performance, hence, he feels powerless in being able to
fulfill his reigning needs of compassion and understanding because
this was denied him as a child;
"Where the Moon is we need to absorb, create a coping mechanism and
nurture the archetype. Deprive means to "remove or withhold something
from the enjoyment or possession of". The condition of the moon in the
horoscope, reflects the belief structure of how we feel deprived, the
archetype which we believe our mother failed to nurture us with. This
corresponds in psychological practice to The response deprivation
theory of reinforcement proposed by William Timberlake and James
Allison (1974: Timberlake 1980), e. g., that behavior becomes
reinforcing when the organism is prevented from engaging in it." EHW,
The Moon and Deprivation
In his case, compassionate psychological understanding of the "real
Michael" is what he believes he was deprived of in his early
environment, hence, he NEEDS to try to provide this to children,
because we teach best what we are learning.
Quote: Tr. Neptune in 5th opposes Uranus in Leo 11th.
Neptune is modern ruler of Descendant of open enemies. His enemies
are out
to personally crucify him because they do not understand the nature
of his
whacky ways. Isn't VE-UR in the 11th indicative of purely platonic
relationships based upon friendship rather than intimacy?
No, it is indicative (the Venus/Uranus I mean) of a need to "wake up"
aspects of relationship, and how we present our identity and fulfill
it within relationship. It reflects a need to be accepted for one's
individuality, this (Leo) is disposed of by the Sun I mentioned above
in 12 and hence a part of his "relationship blindness" and was
ditrectly connected to his relationship with his parents and family
(Sun and Moon=the parents).
Neptune opposing it means that his illusions mentioned above (about
giving and receiving love) will be challenged and bring forth his
unconscious beliefs that they must be "sacrificed" in the "real"
world.
Quote: Tr. Pluto is conjunct Saturn in the 3rd.
Saturn tests our ability to consciously perceive, the effect of our
unconscious beliefs and fears, and what they bring forth in the
physical world. Pluto rules the 3rd, and so, his "ideals" about
communicating with others, are now being challenged by actual actions
he has taken.
Quote: Saturn is part of a grand trine with Venus in 11th (and at a pinch
Mercury)
and, just by coincidence, BML on 21* Aries in the 8th. I have found
that
BML in Aries in a male chart often indicates a deep inner feeling of
lack of
manhood. In Aries in the 8th house, it doesn't take much imagination
to see
where any problems regarding one's manhood may lie. BML trine Saturn
appears
to indicate living within one's conscience ( see Pat Alfano's thread
about
her hubby's SU-NE-ME conjunction. He also has BML trine Saturn.) as
things
'ought to be done'.
His "feminine" attitude is the result of the seeking to fulfill the
moon's needs. I am not familiar with what ever you are calling the
BML? What are you referring to? Pluto disposes of his Neptune, which
brings in the mother's manipulation again.
Quote: I also think that the strong Virgo emphasis is indicative of his
obsession
towards hygiene and cleanliness. Would such a person have pedofile
tendancies?
The hygiene thing is his Moon in 6 (the natural house of Virgo), but
the full moon is working overtime to resolve his perspective crisis,
hence, the "apparent" obssession.
Quote: I find it coincidental that, as Lilith has moved into Gemini, the
dirty
minds are at work. In the 9th house of legal suits and soon to square
the
Sun-Pluto in 12th, he is not going to be spared. Those minds will
crawl
under any rock to find anything that vaguely resembles a hidden room.
I
believe it will be found, yet again, that things are not what they
appear to
be on the surface. Jackson is a very complex individual but it
doesn't make
him a pervert. I think his Jupiter lawyer will clear his name when
BML
crosses the MC and trines Jupiter, and tr.Jupiter trines the 9th
house Mars,
ruler of the 8th house, before it crosses the Asc. When Jupiter
cojoins
itself in the 2nd house, that is when it'll probably cost him an arm
and a
leg in legal fees  . The stigma of the black reputation in the
world won't
be so easy to wash off.
I feel sorry for him.
Thank you for your post and view.
However, he has to be connected to the reality he experiences in some
way, this is a given, and all events can be a learning and growing
experience, it all depends on how one appraoches them, and with what
energy.
Negative beliefs do not have any more power than positive. Ridicule is
negative and tells us of the perpetrator, not the ridiculed. These
ideas are choices, so they are not necessarily "unfortunate", for
every being creates their reality utterly as the product of what they
believe or have been taught to believe is true. The truth is composed
of all truths within any given system of reference containing its own
reinforcing logic.
Individuals can choose act in positive ways or in negative ways.
A) Positive is simply integrative, unifying, expansive,
inclusive-INTEGRAL.
B) Negative is separative, segregative, limited, conflicted functions
in PARTS.
But the positive individual, by the light by which they shine, will
simply show the negative individual(s) that they are;
A) Untouchable and unthwarted by anything that is not of a similar
vibration. And that;
B) They offer back to the negative individual(s) an offering of a
choice, a choice to also be positive. If the other(s) do not choose to
be positive then they can simply go their own way, for that which is
negative cannot exist within the blinding light of that which is
positive, it is simple mechanics-PHYSICS. Even if they are sitting
next to you. That is all. Even if the negativity is intentional, the
positive person will still extract a positive effect and RESOLVE
developmental tension to harness positive benefit.
Action is the manifested evidence of conviction and belief, because
life happens through you not to you.
Quote: Also note that prog. Moon is into Scorpio in his 2nd house. What more
proof
is necessary that it's about money again.
In this day and age, not much is not about money, including the whole
"poor VS rich" terrorism theme.
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the
silence of our friends."
- Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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| Cujo |
| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:53 pm |
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Azimech2@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in
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Quote: "Christine" <a.huyg@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:<bpjmos$g17$1@reader10.wxs.nl>...
"Victoria" <raveness@aol.comnospam> schreef in bericht
news:20031120170907.28524.00000608@mb-m11.aol.com...
Just checked his chart
8-29-58
12:00 pm
Gary Indiana
Looks like ol Pluto is conjunct Saturn, upcoming Uranus oppose Sun
and
I think I recall Neptune squaring ascendant. Ideas?
Victoria
from beautiful El Granada
Hi Victoria,
My data base gives a birth time of 06.54 CST.
Daylight time was in effect, is this then really 7:54 CDT?
If you weren't sure then why all the screed?
Fucking idiot.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"It is truly KOOKY to be so obsessed with someone's success and your
inability to defeat them, that you parade around as them." Edmo,
explaining his use of all his sockpuppets. |
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| Dan Baldwin |
| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:59 pm |
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Edmond Wollmann wrote:
Quote:
Wouldn't it be wiser to
just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing fuckhole he
really is?
<shakes his magic 8-Ball>
"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
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Dan Baldwin
unethical *by design*
Hail the un-alive |
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| Dean Humphries |
| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:17 pm |
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Edmond Wollmann wrote:
Quote: "Christine" <a.huyg@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:<bpjmos$g17$1@reader10.wxs.nl>...
"Victoria" <raveness@aol.comnospam> schreef in bericht
news:20031120170907.28524.00000608@mb-m11.aol.com...
Just checked his chart
8-29-58
12:00 pm
Gary Indiana
Looks like ol Pluto is conjunct Saturn, upcoming Uranus oppose Sun
and
I think I recall Neptune squaring ascendant. Ideas?
Victoria
from beautiful El Granada
Hi Victoria,
My data base gives a birth time of 06.54 CST.
Daylight time was in effect, is this then really 7:54 CDT?
DOES IT REALLY FUCKING MATTER, NITWIT? ALL YOU'RE DOING IS POST-DICTING
ANYWAY! |
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| Cujo |
| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:54 am |
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Azimech2@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in
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AUK added.
Quote: Dan Baldwin <Dan_Baldwin@ALTOPIA.NET the spamming abusive ISP> wrote
in message news:<3FBE9016.D5A08E71@invalid.com>...
[leaving the poor people in alt.psychology alone]
Why are they poor people and any group you don't prefer, gets spammed
by you for 7 years?
Reinserted to demonstrate the psychological dysfunction of spinicism.
Is this another of your theories like "Orion is a star" or that
"dinosaurs evolved from birds", Eddieeeeee?
Quote: EHWollmann wrote:
From: Dan Baldwin Dan_Baldwin@invalid.com
Organization: Posted via Supernews,
Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5.6399B252@invalid.com
X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com
just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing
fuckhole he really is?
shakes his magic 8-Ball
"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to
do. Do you always act this hypocritical?
I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
I said this:
"Of course not, I don't read spinics harassing posts, I have a lot to
do--why would I look at anything you refer to?
I only read one of your posts about every year."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2318357324d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF
-8&selm=736bf6f8.0311211351.27a779dd%40posting.google.com
Yeah, but you've replied to his posts more often than once a year, liar.
Quote: Of course, you just admitted to being a spinic and that Wally is one
too, so nothing you say can be considered without psychological
dysfunctions of ridicule and defensiveness, and hence, not credible.
Weak argument, Edmo. Spinic isn't a word except in your kooky reality. I
supposed you missed the quotes in the word "spinic". Most people with a
little sense of the context would interpret that as you're having your
chanin yanked, dumbfuck. You're so desperate to make any point at all
that it appears to have escaped your lone neuron.
[screedfest snipped]
Wollmann's law invoked, you lose again.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"You will lose your ass when I sue you fraud. I have never plagiarized
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| Edmond Wollmann |
| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:41 am |
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Dan Baldwin <Dan_Baldwin@ALTOPIA.NET the spamming abusive ISP> wrote in message news:<3FBE9016.D5A08E71@invalid.com>...
Quote: [leaving the poor people in alt.psychology alone]
Why are they poor people and any group you don't prefer, gets spammed
by you for 7 years?
Reinserted to demonstrate the psychological dysfunction of spinicism.
Quote: EHWollmann wrote:
From: Dan Baldwin Dan_Baldwin@invalid.com
Organization: Posted via Supernews,
Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5.6399B252@invalid.com
X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com
just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing fuckhole he
really is?
shakes his magic 8-Ball
"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to do.
Do you always act this hypocritical?
I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
I said this:
"Of course not, I don't read spinics harassing posts, I have a lot to
do--why would I look at anything you refer to?
I only read one of your posts about every year."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2318357324d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=736bf6f8.0311211351.27a779dd%40posting.google.com
Of course, you just admitted to being a spinic and that Wally is one
too, so nothing you say can be considered without psychological
dysfunctions of ridicule and defensiveness, and hence, not credible.
Skeptic=One who doubts the truth of any principle or system of
principles or doctrines. Questioning in the search for truth.
Cynic=a sneering faultfinder; one who disbelieves in the goodness of
human motives, and who is given to displaying his disbelief by sneers
and sarcasm.
Spinic=A disingenuous fault-finding and spin-doctoring bigot, who does
not investigate anything realistically before attempting to denigrate
it. A person who has 0 insight into their own beliefs, psychology and
defective logical thinking processes that EVOKES, and is responsible
for, 99% of their predjudice and obsession with that which they fear a
possibility.
"Knowledge is proud that he has learned so much;
Wisdom is humble that he knows no more"
William Cowper "The Task bk vi", "The Winter Walk at Noon"
Woodenheaded thinking="assessing a situation in terms of preconceived
fixed notions while ignoring or rejecting any contrary signs"
(Tuchman, 1984, p. 7).
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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| Wally Anglesea™ |
| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:05 pm |
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| House Widdershins |
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X-No-Archive: Yes.
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:05:50 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
<wanglese@spamersbigpondarevermin.net.au> wrote:
The use of the plural "thoughts" is misleading.
Widdershins
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| Wally Anglesea™ |
| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:39 pm |
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On 23 Nov 2003 23:35:27 GMT, House Widdershins
<sinistre@concentric.net> wrote:
Yeah, but the poast was deliberately left empty )
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:38 pm |
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In article <pvg2sv8ptqctb5an0584kmf1vnaq415ijb@4ax.com>,
House Widdershins <sinistre@concentric.net> wrote:
Quote: The use of the plural "thoughts" is misleading.
And the singular wouldn't also be misleading? |
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