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| Matt Jackson |
 Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:07 am |
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How can we live if we cannot even prove our own existance. Most of you must
have hope..hope for a greater purpose? I can't conceive a person motivated
to work hard at his job, enthusiastic to "make a difference" in the
"world", to even be motivated to do anything.. without some deep down
belief that there's something more to our being..
Our feelings will always betray us....always. I would give anything to rid
myself of these feelings. Then, and only then would I find some
consistency in my thoughts (or would I). But now, I can no longer trust
myself. These feelings are in control, not me. If me is even a issue
anymore. My feelings are a powerful and systematic entity with thousands
and thousands of years more experience than I. The best I can hope for is
to find a delusion which hides the fact my feelings are in control.
Yes, I still have hope. There is no logic in this desire. For, hope can't
have any true definition in this universe. I am not far from giving up
though for hope is just another feeling.
So I guess we should just BE, right?? Just enjoy the good feelings. Accept
who we are. NO. I cannot do that. I must search.. I must not give up.
There are answers out there.. That's truly all we have. ANSWERS. But are
these answers just another type of delusion? What is truth? This is my
dilemma. to be or not to be. to find a delusion or not to find a
delusion. Why should I? ..Because, there's nothing else to do, except to
die.
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| Frederick |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:35 am |
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Matt Jackson wrote:
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How can we live if we cannot even prove our own existance. Most of you must
have hope..hope for a greater purpose? I can't conceive a person motivated
to work hard at his job, enthusiastic to "make a difference" in the
"world", to even be motivated to do anything.. without some deep down
belief that there's something more to our being..
Our feelings will always betray us....always. I would give anything to rid
myself of these feelings. Then, and only then would I find some
consistency in my thoughts (or would I). But now, I can no longer trust
myself. These feelings are in control, not me. If me is even a issue
anymore. My feelings are a powerful and systematic entity with thousands
and thousands of years more experience than I. The best I can hope for is
to find a delusion which hides the fact my feelings are in control.
Yes, I still have hope. There is no logic in this desire. For, hope can't
have any true definition in this universe. I am not far from giving up
though for hope is just another feeling.
So I guess we should just BE, right?? Just enjoy the good feelings. Accept
who we are. NO. I cannot do that. I must search.. I must not give up.
There are answers out there.. That's truly all we have. ANSWERS. But are
these answers just another type of delusion? What is truth? This is my
dilemma. to be or not to be. to find a delusion or not to find a
delusion. Why should I? ..Because, there's nothing else to do, except to
die.
mj
Ma Nature builds us insane, so we will do her biddings, so
go forth as a good minion. Meaning and purpose are found in two ways :
1. Confabulating or acquiring meaning giving stories and practicing these
stories throughout your life.
2. Breeding.
Both these methods fit in with the built in insanities of the "normal"
person. Woe is he who is not properly insane.
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Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill/
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Phrase of the week :
"All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no
nearer to the answer to the question, What are light quanta?
Nowadays every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is
mistaken."-- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
 )))Snort!)
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| Dan Skunk |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:56 am |
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The fact that you can think is proof enough of your existence.
There is no greater purpose to us than ourselves. We are the source of all
meaning in our lives. As such, we find comfort and satisfaction when
pursuing this purpose.
Our feelings do not betray us. The tell us who we are. You must find
harmony with your feelings. Understand them. Your feelings and intellect
are one in the same. Seperating them leads only to confusion.
There is logic in everything, if one seeks it.
Delusion is and empty glass. Hiding from oneself will not help one find
happiness. That is achieve through finding oneself.
You have hope that you will find the answers you are looking for. That is a
good starting point. Continue that search for meaning and you will find
meaning in the search. :)
It's not that we should just be, it's that we just are. What is lacking is
an understanding of what that is--what we are.
The answers are both out there and within. You need to look at yourself to
understand who you are. You need to look out there to find your place in
the world. Put together, you find the answer you seek.
The answer is not a delusion. It is the truth. The truth is that which is
greater than ourselves. It is a power greater even than nature itself.
"Die"? No fun in that. |
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| Dan Skunk |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:58 am |
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Naw. Nature embues us with a purpose and the means to follow it.
Pursuing one's purpose is the most sane thing we can do. It is when we
follow a purpose that is not our own, that we become insane. |
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| Miller |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:40 am |
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"Matt Jackson" <mjacks6@cox.net> wrote in message
news:0ABCb.5637$F22.5011@lakeread02...
Quote: How can we live if we cannot even prove our own existance. Most of you
must
have hope..hope for a greater purpose? I can't conceive a person
motivated
to work hard at his job, enthusiastic to "make a difference" in the
"world", to even be motivated to do anything.. without some deep down
belief that there's something more to our being..
Our feelings will always betray us....always. I would give anything to
rid
myself of these feelings. Then, and only then would I find some
consistency in my thoughts (or would I). But now, I can no longer trust
myself. These feelings are in control, not me. If me is even a issue
anymore. My feelings are a powerful and systematic entity with thousands
and thousands of years more experience than I. The best I can hope for is
to find a delusion which hides the fact my feelings are in control.
Yes, I still have hope. There is no logic in this desire. For, hope
can't
have any true definition in this universe. I am not far from giving up
though for hope is just another feeling.
So I guess we should just BE, right?? Just enjoy the good feelings.
Accept
who we are. NO. I cannot do that. I must search.. I must not give up.
There are answers out there.. That's truly all we have. ANSWERS. But are
these answers just another type of delusion? What is truth? This is my
dilemma. to be or not to be. to find a delusion or not to find a
delusion. Why should I? ..Because, there's nothing else to do, except to
die.
mj
Existential angst. Its very human, very common these days. The old belief
supports no longer apply or make sense. Religion, philosophies, no longer
have meaningful answers to the big question: Why?, and more specifically:
Why me?
The anngst comes from the supposition, the nagging sense, that there is no
answer. But to see this is to admit to ourselves that the questions have
been pointless all along.
Bummer, eh?
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| Frederick |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:52 am |
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Miller wrote:
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Existential angst. Its very human, very common these days. The old belief
supports no longer apply or make sense. Religion, philosophies, no longer
have meaningful answers to the big question: Why?, and more specifically:
Why me?
The anngst comes from the supposition, the nagging sense, that there is no
answer. But to see this is to admit to ourselves that the questions have
been pointless all along.
Bummer, eh?
Scott
Good response.
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Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill/
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Phrase of the week :
"All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no
nearer to the answer to the question, What are light quanta?
Nowadays every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is
mistaken."-- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
)))Snort!)
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| Dare |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:10 pm |
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"Matt Jackson" <mjacks6@cox.net> wrote in message news:0ABCb.5637$F22.5011@lakeread02...
Quote: How can we live if we cannot even prove our own existance. Most of you must
have hope..hope for a greater purpose? I can't conceive a person motivated
to work hard at his job, enthusiastic to "make a difference" in the
"world", to even be motivated to do anything.. without some deep down
belief that there's something more to our being..
Our feelings will always betray us....always. I would give anything to rid
myself of these feelings. Then, and only then would I find some
consistency in my thoughts (or would I). But now, I can no longer trust
myself. These feelings are in control, not me. If me is even a issue
anymore. My feelings are a powerful and systematic entity with thousands
and thousands of years more experience than I. The best I can hope for is
to find a delusion which hides the fact my feelings are in control.
Yes, I still have hope. There is no logic in this desire. For, hope can't
have any true definition in this universe. I am not far from giving up
though for hope is just another feeling.
So I guess we should just BE, right?? Just enjoy the good feelings. Accept
who we are. NO. I cannot do that. I must search.. I must not give up.
There are answers out there.. That's truly all we have. ANSWERS. But are
these answers just another type of delusion? What is truth? This is my
dilemma. to be or not to be. to find a delusion or not to find a
delusion. Why should I? ..Because, there's nothing else to do, except to
die.
mj
It seems to me that feelings can be a powerful force,
but if you are aware of them you can at least question
them....challenge them with thoughts....before acting.
The feelings may still be in control, but perhaps by
being aware and questioning them you may change
the dynamic between feeling-thought-action to some
extent. Maybe over time this will result in some degree
of control...or at least buy you some time to consider
possible ways of steering them in a different direction?
It seems the search itself changes you and the way
you think and feel...maybe even reality itself...
by your aware observing?
Thanks,
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| Dan Skunk |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:33 pm |
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There's an answer. Not necessarily the answer we want, but an answer
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| Dan Skunk |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:35 pm |
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The feelings are always in control. Idea is to learn how to work with them
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| Amanda |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:48 pm |
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Matt Jackson <mjacks6@cox.net> wrote in message news:<0ABCb.5637$F22.5011@lakeread02>...
Quote: How can we live if we cannot even prove our own existance.
Well you are living, aren't you?
Quote: Most of you must
have hope..hope for a greater purpose?
I have beem lowing that belief, a greater purpose.
Quote: I can't conceive a person motivated
to work hard at his job, enthusiastic to "make a difference" in the
"world", to even be motivated to do anything.. without some deep down
belief that there's something more to our being..
Some people just like to keep themselve busy so that they won't have
o think about these things, you know?
Quote: Our feelings will always betray us....always. I would give anything to rid
myself of these feelings. Then, and only then would I find some
consistency in my thoughts (or would I). But now, I can no longer trust
myself. These feelings are in control, not me. If me is even a issue
anymore.
My feelings are a powerful and systematic entity with thousands
and thousands of years more experience than I.
Are you saying that you belive in incarnation?
Quote: The best I can hope for is
to find a delusion which hides the fact my feelings are in control.
Yes, I still have hope.
There is no logic in this desire.
No, there isn't.
Quote: For, hope can't
have any true definition in this universe. I am not far from giving up
though for hope is just another feeling.
So I guess we should just BE, right?? Just enjoy the good feelings. Accept
who we are. NO. I cannot do that. I must search.. I must not give up.
There are answers out there..
Let me know when you find that answer.
Quote: That's truly all we have. ANSWERS. But are
these answers just another type of delusion? What is truth? This is my
dilemma. to be or not to be. to find a delusion or not to find a
delusion. Why should I? ..Because, there's nothing else to do, except to
die.
mj
I stopped searching .. about the meaning of life, the purpose of life,
life after death, etc.
I just let it be cus I decided that it is better to just try to be the
best human that one can possibly be in this life instead of wondering
about the unknown: next life, and the meaning of this life in
spiritual sense, etc. |
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| Miller |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:43 pm |
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"Dan Skunk" <_@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Quote: There's an answer. Not necessarily the answer we want, but an answer
nonetheless.
It's impossible to get an answer you do not want.
Scott |
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| Bill Snyder |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:50 pm |
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"Matt Jackson" <mjacks6@cox.net> wrote in message
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Quote: How can we live if we cannot even prove our own existance. Most of you
must
have hope..hope for a greater purpose? I can't conceive a person
motivated
to work hard at his job, enthusiastic to "make a difference" in the
"world", to even be motivated to do anything.. without some deep down
belief that there's something more to our being..
Our feelings will always betray us....always. I would give anything to
rid
myself of these feelings. Then, and only then would I find some
consistency in my thoughts (or would I). But now, I can no longer trust
myself. These feelings are in control, not me. If me is even a issue
anymore. My feelings are a powerful and systematic entity with thousands
and thousands of years more experience than I. The best I can hope for is
to find a delusion which hides the fact my feelings are in control.
Yes, I still have hope. There is no logic in this desire. For, hope
can't
have any true definition in this universe. I am not far from giving up
though for hope is just another feeling.
So I guess we should just BE, right?? Just enjoy the good feelings.
Accept
who we are. NO. I cannot do that. I must search.. I must not give up.
There are answers out there.. That's truly all we have. ANSWERS. But are
these answers just another type of delusion? What is truth? This is my
dilemma. to be or not to be. to find a delusion or not to find a
delusion. Why should I? ..Because, there's nothing else to do, except to
die.
I think you have it backwards: there are NO answers, only questions, at
least in the arena of your rant. And the questions are primarily a matter
of "feelings" (as you apparently see), not of reasoned questing for insight.
There are lots of responses to these feeling generated questions; but none
of the responses are anything more than a way of scratching an itch; they
are NOT answers. So if you persist in abandoning your life to the feeling
generated questions, look for a response which eases the itching. Or
alternatively, get over the disease of spirit which generates the questions.
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| Dan Skunk |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:13 pm |
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I want the lottery numbers to match my ticket.
I don't get the answer I want. |
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| Dan Skunk |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:16 pm |
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Being a good human _is_ the meaning of life.
You already found the answer. You just don't know it yet. |
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| Bologna |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:44 pm |
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Quote: Nature embues us with a purpose and the means to follow it.
Pursuing one's purpose is the most sane thing we can do. It is when we
follow a purpose that is not our own, that we become insane.
By your premises, I can reason that gay people are insane? Am I right about
this?
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