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Tim
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:18 pm
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is
life
a
good thing?



My bum is sore.


What have you been up to, then?



Brainiac won't let me (or anyone else) get off of the fence.
Jonathan Pryce
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:20 pm
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life
a
good thing?



My bum is sore.


What have you been up to, then?
Dare
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:38 pm
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Dare wrote:

This may be kind of off topic, but I was wondering...
Do we own our life?
Guess it sounds odd, but the question came up in
the context of suicide...
Do I have the right to take my life....kill it....
when I did not create it myself?

I drink two espressos a day, that keeps the gloom away,
that and a little help from my friends, and a curiosity
about the show called "everything".

As far as "owning" oneself. I doubt it, too objective.
Objectifying oneself does not work, could lead to suicide,
and that is an epitome of not working. The situation is too
entertaining to self depart IMO.
--

Yes, it is quite a show at times. Smile
And sometimes what happens next really is
a surprise...maybe even for the better!
Friends can make all the difference....
and coffee, glorious coffee...
Guess "good" depends on the chemicals in your body
at the time....or the feel-qualia produced by them...
Somewhere I read "chemistry is life, the rest is just details"
Maybe good is a (dependent) variable in the equation of life.

Thanks for your friendly(from my perspective) response..
I'll try to avoid decaffeinated gloom episodes. Smile
Dare
Dare
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:50 pm
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"Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote in message

This may be kind of off topic, but I was wondering...
Do we own our life?

Or is this body I am in just a clone that happened to emulate
a possible process, out of many possible processes, that is
identical to "I experience what it feels like?"

If this state of affairs called me body is just a clone that
discovered a possible network of processes identified
with me being, can the clone say it is his?


Seems not...
it's like he just inherited or assumed the role and
sort of "takes it from here"....like a new self stepping
in the me-being role at each new moment....
suddenly the image of "musical chairs" popped in mind..
the chair doesn't belong to the "me-clone" sitting in it
at the time...the music always starts again.
well, there are some serious flaws in that analogy...

Thanks,
the current Dare-clone
Miller
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:36 pm
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?


I say yes.

Scott
Sean
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 5:38 pm
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"Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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Dare wrote:

This may be kind of off topic, but I was wondering...
Do we own our life?
Guess it sounds odd, but the question came up in
the context of suicide...
Do I have the right to take my life....kill it....
when I did not create it myself?

I drink two espressos a day, that keeps the gloom away,
that and a little help from my friends, and a curiosity
about the show called "everything".

As far as "owning" oneself. I doubt it, too objective.
Objectifying oneself does not work, could lead to suicide,
and that is an epitome of not working. The situation is too
entertaining to self depart IMO.
--

Yes, it is quite a show at times. Smile
And sometimes what happens next really is
a surprise...maybe even for the better!
Friends can make all the difference....
and coffee, glorious coffee...
Guess "good" depends on the chemicals in your body
at the time....or the feel-qualia produced by them...
Somewhere I read "chemistry is life, the rest is just details"
Maybe good is a (dependent) variable in the equation of life.

Thanks for your friendly(from my perspective) response..
I'll try to avoid decaffeinated gloom episodes. Smile
Dare
-------------------------------

It's kind of interesting that current research into DNA and the mapping of
the human genome had lead to attempts to patent specific genes and DNA

combinations by large pharmacutical companies.

I read about a guy who received treatment at UCLA for a rare form of cancer
and during the course of his treatment it was discovered that something in
his spleen was causing the production of large amounts of white blood cells.
Samples were taken without his consent and the cause was isolated and then
patented by UCLA.

He took them to court on the grounds that he is the sole owner of his own
body but he lost the case. Now if any of his relatives develop the same
illness they have to pay UCLA to receive treatment based on a patented
'product' discovered in his own body.

Patenting, by the way, is meant to protect an individuals own 'inventions'.
ta
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 6:01 pm
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?

Life's been good to me so far.
Geoffrey
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:43 pm
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"brainiac" wrote
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?

Life is possibly good, but not necessarily.

It depends on both luck and effort.
Russ Rose
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:27 pm
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life
a
good thing?

Life's been good to me so far.



I go to parties, sometimes until four
It's hard to leave when you can't find the door.
Russ Rose
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:37 pm
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?



Life is based on genetic replication.

Genetic replication that trends against entropic forces leads to a more
ordered universe.

An ordered system has a higher value than a disordered system.

Good implies a higher value than not-so-good.

Therefore life is good.
ta
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:52 pm
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"Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life
a
good thing?


This may be kind of off topic, but I was wondering...
Do we own our life?

And even potentially more off topic, is ownership a useful or valid
pyschological concept at all? It certainly seems that possessions are an
integral part of modern culture, but to what end and at what cost?

Quote:
Guess it sounds odd, but the question came up in
the context of suicide...
Do I have the right to take my life....kill it....
when I did not create it myself?
Do I only have the right to "use it" ...
or have I 'paid' for my life by living it and
therefore own it...as well as the right to end it....

Guess my acquaintances are rather dark..
If life is not good...or neutral...
then what?
(that question has sort of a double or triple meaning)

Thanks,
Dare





Daniel T.
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:21 am
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?

Without life, the question cannot be asked. Without life, the question
cannot be answered...

This is much like asking if a war was just, only the victor gets to
decide. Is life good? Only the living get to choose... I choose yes.
Mark Earnest
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:31 am
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"brainiac" <bung@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was wondering if the objective thinkers here could answer this in a
totally 'emotionless' objective way [without bias whatsoever]. Is life a
good thing?

Life is the best thing there is, and quite hard to come by for some.
It's funny about life: the more of it you give away, the more of it you get.
And the more you try to hoard it, the less you have.
Unless of course that the way you hoard it is by spreading it around.
andy-k
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:51 am
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"Russ Rose" <russrose@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Life is based on genetic replication.

Genetic replication that trends against entropic forces leads to a
more ordered universe.

An ordered system has a higher value than a disordered system.

For whom?


Quote:
Good implies a higher value than not-so-good.

Therefore life is good.
Daniel T.
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 8:34 am
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"andy-k" <spam.free@last> wrote:

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"Russ Rose" <russrose@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Life is based on genetic replication.

Genetic replication that trends against entropic forces leads to a
more ordered universe.

An ordered system has a higher value than a disordered system.

For whom?

For the ordered system that is trying to determine value...
 
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