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Brian Thorn...
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:47 pm
 
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:50:47 -0500, rfdjr1 at (no spam) optonline.net wrote:

[quote]Can someone explain to me, regarding this supposed missle launch caught on
camera in the Pacific the other day, how the hell the U.S. Air Force could miss
a launch
[/quote]
Because it wasn't a launch. It was US Airways Flight 808, Honolulu to
Phoenix, a Boeing 757. Chalk this up to people looking at sunset an
hour earlier this week than last week, and seeing something unusual
(but far from rare) in the twilight.

Brian
 
The Might T.B....
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:36 am
 
Brian Thorn wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:50:47 -0500, rfdjr1 at (no spam) optonline.net wrote:

Can someone explain to me, regarding this supposed missle launch caught on
camera in the Pacific the other day, how the hell the U.S. Air Force could miss
a launch

Because it wasn't a launch. It was US Airways Flight 808, Honolulu to
Phoenix, a Boeing 757. Chalk this up to people looking at sunset an
hour earlier this week than last week, and seeing something unusual
(but far from rare) in the twilight.
[/quote]
There's no way it's a plane or commercial jet contrail. It's a solid
rocket or missile, probably launched either from a US military ship, sub
or offshore platform.

There's video out there that clearly shows a glow at the base of the
"object" which would be the rocket engine(s) producing that contrail and
that glow is obviously not a reflection off a metal surface like you'd
sometimes see on some jets flying with the sun low to the horizon. A
plane doesn't produce a glow or fire from the engines unless the engines
were exploding (maybe it was a Qantas Airbus M380). Also, a plane's
contrail usually shows separation on the leading end from the engines on
the right and left wings. The exhaust from this object is coming from a
single cluster of engines or one engine.

My guess is the Navy covertly launched this but screwed up getting
proper clearance beforehand for civilian air traffic which is otherwise
normal for these sort of launches especially off shore a major airport
like LAX or simply didn't because of the nature of the missile or
rocket. That's why everyone's from the FAA to various government
agencies playing dumb and we’re getting (and apparently buying)
blatantly idiotic excuses like it’s a plane’s contrail, not because the
rocket itself is classified or from a unfriendly country.

T.B.
 
Brian Thorn...
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:45 am
 
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:36:14 -0800, "The Might T.B."
<TMTB at (no spam) unknownaddress.com> wrote:

[quote]Brian Thorn wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:50:47 -0500, rfdjr1 at (no spam) optonline.net wrote:

Can someone explain to me, regarding this supposed missle launch caught on
camera in the Pacific the other day, how the hell the U.S. Air Force could miss
a launch

Because it wasn't a launch. It was US Airways Flight 808, Honolulu to
Phoenix, a Boeing 757. Chalk this up to people looking at sunset an
hour earlier this week than last week, and seeing something unusual
(but far from rare) in the twilight.

There's no way it's a plane or commercial jet contrail.
[/quote]
Then where is the commercial jet that was in the area at the time
(Flight 808) and why has no one on the plane reported seeing a huge
rocket launch that came dangerously close to them?

[quote]It's a solid
rocket or missile, probably launched either from a US military ship, sub
or offshore platform.
[/quote]
Name it.

[quote]There's video out there that clearly shows a glow at the base of the
"object" which would be the rocket engine(s) producing that contrail and
that glow is obviously not a reflection off a metal surface like you'd
sometimes see on some jets flying with the sun low to the horizon.
[/quote]
Yes it is, because if it were the flame from a rocket engine, the
light would be constant. Instead, this is sporadic, exactly what you'd
expect of an airliner reflecting sunlight at altitude.

[quote]A plane doesn't produce a glow or fire from the engines unless the engines
were exploding (maybe it was a Qantas Airbus M380).
[/quote]
A380, but this is not flame from an engine, it is sunshine glinting
off the airframe.

[quote]Also, a plane's
contrail usually shows separation on the leading end from the engines on
the right and left wings. The exhaust from this object is coming from a
single cluster of engines or one engine.
[/quote]
At this distance and with the camera as zoomed in as it is, we can't
make that assumption at all. We are looking at an aircraft still low
on the horizon and moving toward the observer (the zooming in makes it
look higher than it is) and thus the contrail is behind the aircraft,
where we can't see the initial separation because of the angle were
looking from and foreshortening effects.

[quote]My guess is the Navy covertly launched this but screwed up getting
proper clearance beforehand for civilian air traffic which is otherwise
normal for these sort of launches especially off shore a major airport
like LAX or simply didn't because of the nature of the missile or
rocket.
[/quote]
The only kind of "missile" it could be would be a big one like a
Trident SLBM or a space launch vehicle. Other missiles (SAMs) don't
burn for as long a duration as we see in this video. But SLBMs and
space launch vehicles stage after a couple of minutes, and we see no
indication of staging in this contrail.

[quote]That's why everyone's from the FAA to various government
agencies playing dumb and we’re getting (and apparently buying)
blatantly idiotic excuses like it’s a plane’s contrail, not because the
rocket itself is classified or from a unfriendly country.
[/quote]
The most damning evidence against this being a rocket or missile is
that the contrail remains a constant color and brightness throughout.
A missile climbing high into the sky and heading west (which all the
airliner explanation critics insist this is) at sunset would show a
pronounced brightening as the rocket ascends out of twilight into full
daylight. The top of the trail should be a brilliant white. We see
this in every other sunrise/sunset launch, such as the sunset launch
of STS-98:

http://www.nasaimages.org/luna/servlet/detail/nasaNAS~9~9~58630~162474:

We see nothing like that here, even though this "event" is almost
exactly at sunset (the event was reported to be at about 5pm, sunset
was at 4:55pm that day in L.A.). What we see is a constant, or nearly
constant color (orange) and brightness, exactly what you'd expect of
an airliner cruising at 37,000 feet heading east with the setting sun
casting its orange glow from behind it.

Brian
 
Pat Flannery...
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:39 pm
 
On 11/11/2010 8:45 AM, Brian Thorn wrote:

[quote]We see nothing like that here, even though this "event" is almost
exactly at sunset (the event was reported to be at about 5pm, sunset
was at 4:55pm that day in L.A.). What we see is a constant, or nearly
constant color (orange) and brightness, exactly what you'd expect of
an airliner cruising at 37,000 feet heading east with the setting sun
casting its orange glow from behind it.
[/quote]
The interesting part is that this contrail phenomena has occurred at
least twice in almost exactly the same location:
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/
Is there something odd about the climate off to the west of LA that
causes this to occur?
Then, from back in 1991, there were the repeated sonic booms heard over
southern California from something (that the US Geological Survey
estimated to be from a vehicle moving at Mach 5-6 from the time the
booms hit their seismic sensors)...which recently restarted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28aircraft%29#Sonic_booms
http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_11840107
It's easily possible for a military aircraft to go unintentionally
supersonic by hitting an area of different air temperature as it's
flying at near-sonic speeds; but at least in the first reports of the
odd contrail, the thing making it is turning to the north as the video
was taken, which not only was the way the 1991 sonic booms were tracked
as going, but doesn't make any sense for an airliner's course - as they
fly shortest distance point-to-point on a great circle route to conserve
time and fuel.
Something funny going on on one of those small islands off to the west
of LA? :-)

Pat
 
Pat Flannery...
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:48 pm
 
On 11/11/2010 5:39 PM, Pat Flannery wrote:

[quote]Something funny going on on one of those small islands off to the west
of LA? Smile
[/quote]
I've been looking at all of them in detail on Google Earth; does anyone
know if any of them is in their entirety, or has areas of it in
particular, that are off limits to civilians for some reason?
One has to admit, doing something secret on a little island has
advantages to doing it secretly over trying it on a mainland area - as
Captain Nemo could have told you when building the Nautilus out on Vulcania.

Pat
 
hallerb at (no spam) aol.com...
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:30 pm
 
On Nov 14, 4:51 pm, "Val Kraut" <marv... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
[quote]does anyone

know if any of them is in their entirety, or has areas of it in
particular, that are off limits to civilians for some reason?

It doesn't have to be Off Limits to Civilians" just off-limits to everyone
but a special group. I believe some of the small Hawaiin islands were Dole
Pinapple farms and off-limits to non-company employees. So it could be a
small private island, company owned or evem something like a wild life
santuary. Kind of like Crab Key in Dr. No.

                                        Val Kraut
[/quote]
or launched by a even more secure method, a US submarine
 
Val Kraut...
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:51 pm
 
does anyone
[quote]know if any of them is in their entirety, or has areas of it in
particular, that are off limits to civilians for some reason?
[/quote]
It doesn't have to be Off Limits to Civilians" just off-limits to everyone
but a special group. I believe some of the small Hawaiin islands were Dole
Pinapple farms and off-limits to non-company employees. So it could be a
small private island, company owned or evem something like a wild life
santuary. Kind of like Crab Key in Dr. No.


Val Kraut
 
 
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