Dick Morris
Yes, I know, the market is the ultimate answer for every problem.

Unfortunately not every problem. Take spam, for instance. Is there any
market solution that could work?

How about we try the old "fight fire with fire" approach: spam them

Farming is such a small part of the economy that we should just do away
with it and turn the land over to more economically productive uses.

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. Economics re change
is always a margin issue. If today the marginal value of land is higher for
housing that DOES NOT mean that tomorrow it won't be the other way around.

I don't claim to be an economist, though I have taken college level

Extraordinary markets require extraordinary launch vehicles. You're
putting the cart before the horse.

No, the original was exactly correct. Even for a lone inventor toiling to
make the extraordinary launch vehicle----though he/she FAILS---was still "a
market" for the vehicle and willing to pay the price.

Personally, I wouldn't consider a developer, whether a lone individual

--

James E. White
Inventor, Marketer, and Author of "Will It Sell?
How to Determine If Your Invention Is Profitably Marketable
(Before Wasting Money on a Patent)" www.willitsell.com
Also: www.booksforinventors.com and www.idearights.com
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:00:18 GMT, in a place far, far away, Dick
Morris <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:



Rand Simberg wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:54 GMT, in a place far, far away, Dick
Morris <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

That is your opinion, but obviously the market disagreed, since the
property is worth much more now.

Yes, I know, the market is the ultimate answer for every problem.

Not every problem, but certainly this one.

THIS one? Farming is a "problem"?

Feeding people is a problem. Judging by bulging waistlines, we seem
to do it pretty well.

As the supply of land shrinks, the price of housing and other urban uses
goes up right along with the price of food. Where in recorded history
have cities or suburbs ever gone back to agriculture? (Some have gone
back to jungle or desert, however.)

Never, because it's never been necessary, which is my point.

The archaeological record is full of examples of civilizations which

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"Extraordinary launch vehicles require extraordinary markets..."
Swap the first . and @ and throw out the ".trash" to email me.
Here's my email address for autospammers: postmaster@fbi.gov

The exploration of space has been ceded to a new generation of miniature
intelligent robot machines. The Moon has been mooted as a "way station" for
space exploration but the recent downward revision of the amount of
available water has pretty well put paid to that idea.
Mars seems the great prize toward which the scientific explorers are
attracted. I recently read a newsgroup which is dedicated to ideas for
systems which might "terraform" it's arid deserts and make the planet
inhabitable.
One is forced to ask why such methods are not being mooted for the far more
mundane yet much more important task of making the Earth's deserts and
desertified areas (many of which until recently supported agriculture) once
more fertile and productive? Are the Namib or the Taclamacan deserts for
some reason less glamorous than the arid icy wastes of Mars?

James White wrote:

Dick Morris
Yes, I know, the market is the ultimate answer for every problem.

Unfortunately not every problem. Take spam, for instance. Is there any
market solution that could work?

How about we try the old "fight fire with fire" approach: spam them
back. The standard recomendation has been to never reply to spam, but I
think that approach has long outlived it's usefullness. Spam recipients
should by all means reply to spam - early and often.

The archaeological record is full of examples of civilizations which
grew and flourished for a time, then collapsed. The most plausible
reason, absent an obvious natural disaster, is that their populations
exceeded their ability to grow food, either from a shortage of arable
land, or degradation of their land through salinization or declining
fertility.

Which is, as it happens, completely untrue. It is very nearly
equally easy to get into a lunar polar orbit.

Henry Spencer <henry@spsystems.net> wrote:
Which is, as it happens, completely untrue. It is very nearly
equally easy to get into a lunar polar orbit.

Right. The reason such an orbit wasn't used during Apollo was because
the moon's rotation would have taken the lander out from under the
plane of the orbit. The LEM crew would have had to wait two weeks
before they could launch and rejoin the CSM.

Excellent speech. Until a couple of months ago, Rep. Rohrabacher was my
representative. I don't know whether to be happy or sad that I've moved
-- I suppose I should be happy, since obviously he's got the right idea
already and there was little I could tell him as a constituent that he
didn't already know. Now, I'll have to learn who my new
congresscritters are and see whether they have as much of a clue as
Rohrabacher does.

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Dick Morris
How about we try the old "fight fire with fire" approach: spam them
back. The standard recomendation has been to never reply to spam, but I

don't recall seeing are any significant historical examples of urban
areas that have reverted to agriculture - absent a total economic
collapse.

or a Multinational Conglomerate, to be a market. My point was that we
have to have a marketable vehicle before we can develop the markets - an
extraordinary vehicle if we want to develop extraordinary markets. I

Dick Morris
How about we try the old "fight fire with fire" approach: spam them
back. The standard recomendation has been to never reply to spam, but I

I don't believe you understand much of anything. Even my autoresponders
get
spam and send automatic replies resulting in undeliverable bounces. You
can't spam the spammers back because they HATE SPAM and prevent its
reception on their end by not providing any contact info without a PAID
ORDER. If you'd like to try your method just send me your e-mail address
and
I'll forward you the 300+ spams a day I get.
Yes.

don't recall seeing are any significant historical examples of urban
areas that have reverted to agriculture - absent a total economic
collapse.

Duh, follow the marginal costs. Retake your college course with an eye to
understanding it this time.

or a Multinational Conglomerate, to be a market. My point was that we
have to have a marketable vehicle before we can develop the markets - an
extraordinary vehicle if we want to develop extraordinary markets. I

And my point remains exactly the opposite---and the economic studies have
proved my point time and time again. "Build it, they will come" makes a
nice
sappy movie but IT IS NOT reality.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:07:03 GMT, in a place far, far away, Dick Morris
richard.a.morris@boeing.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

The archaeological record is full of examples of civilizations which
grew and flourished for a time, then collapsed. The most plausible
reason, absent an obvious natural disaster, is that their populations
exceeded their ability to grow food, either from a shortage of arable
land, or degradation of their land through salinization or declining
fertility.

And what does that have to do with replacing orange groves with
houses?

You're previous message implied that no one had ever run short of

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simberg.interglobal.org * 310 372-7963 (CA) 307 739-1296 (Jackson Hole)
interglobal space lines * 307 733-1715 (Fax) http://www.interglobal.org

"Extraordinary launch vehicles require extraordinary markets..."
Swap the first . and @ and throw out the ".trash" to email me.
Here's my email address for autospammers: postmaster@fbi.gov

"Dick Morris" <richard.a.morris@boeing.com> wrote in message
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James White wrote:

Dick Morris
Yes, I know, the market is the ultimate answer for every problem.

Unfortunately not every problem. Take spam, for instance. Is there any
market solution that could work?

How about we try the old "fight fire with fire" approach: spam them
back. The standard recomendation has been to never reply to spam, but I
think that approach has long outlived it's usefullness. Spam recipients
should by all means reply to spam - early and often.

No, they should not, since almost all spam has faked headers. So you'll be
hurting everyone else in the chain EXCEPT the spammers.


How exactly do the spammers expect to make money if there is no way to

"James White" <useSig4email@willitsell.com> wrote in message
news:ua2zb.198787$Dw6.743792@attbi_s02...
Dick Morris
How about we try the old "fight fire with fire" approach: spam them
back. The standard recomendation has been to never reply to spam, but I

I don't believe you understand much of anything. Even my autoresponders
get
spam and send automatic replies resulting in undeliverable bounces. You
can't spam the spammers back because they HATE SPAM and prevent its
reception on their end by not providing any contact info without a PAID
ORDER. If you'd like to try your method just send me your e-mail address
and
I'll forward you the 300+ spams a day I get.
Yes.
In fact he may allready be effectively spamming other people himself by
bouncing like this!. One of the 'tricks' used by spammers, is to attach a
forged return address. Sometimes these addresses are legitimate, and people
bouncing the spam. end up sending this mail on to other legitimate users.
Also the nature of the 'bounce', can be used by some sites to determine that
the address is actually legitimate, and they increase the attempts to send
the junk. :-(

I send them a dozen bogus replies and they're going to consider me a

don't recall seeing are any significant historical examples of urban
areas that have reverted to agriculture - absent a total economic
collapse.

Duh, follow the marginal costs. Retake your college course with an eye to
understanding it this time.

or a Multinational Conglomerate, to be a market. My point was that we
have to have a marketable vehicle before we can develop the markets - an
extraordinary vehicle if we want to develop extraordinary markets. I

And my point remains exactly the opposite---and the economic studies have
proved my point time and time again. "Build it, they will come" makes a
nice
sappy movie but IT IS NOT reality.

Best Wishes

Dick Morris
How about we try the old "fight fire with fire" approach: spam them
back. The standard recomendation has been to never reply to spam, but I

I don't believe you understand much of anything. Even my autoresponders get
spam and send automatic replies resulting in undeliverable bounces. You
can't spam the spammers back because they HATE SPAM and prevent its
reception on their end by not providing any contact info without a PAID
ORDER. If you'd like to try your method just send me your e-mail address and
I'll forward you the 300+ spams a day I get.

So you provide them with fake information on your fake order, genius.

don't recall seeing are any significant historical examples of urban
areas that have reverted to agriculture - absent a total economic
collapse.

Duh, follow the marginal costs. Retake your college course with an eye to
understanding it this time.

Ad hominem attacks appear to be your substitute for logic.

or a Multinational Conglomerate, to be a market. My point was that we
have to have a marketable vehicle before we can develop the markets - an
extraordinary vehicle if we want to develop extraordinary markets. I

And my point remains exactly the opposite---and the economic studies have
proved my point time and time again. "Build it, they will come" makes a nice
sappy movie but IT IS NOT reality.

Your definition of a "market" was interesting for someone who claims to

--

James E. White
Inventor, Marketer, and Author of "Will It Sell?
How to Determine If Your Invention Is Profitably Marketable
(Before Wasting Money on a Patent)" www.willitsell.com
Also: www.booksforinventors.com and www.idearights.com
[Follow sig link for email addr.Replies go to spam bit-bucket]

Roger Hamlett wrote:

"James White" <useSig4email@willitsell.com> wrote in message
news:ua2zb.198787$Dw6.743792@attbi_s02...
Dick Morris
How about we try the old "fight fire with fire" approach: spam them
back. The standard recomendation has been to never reply to spam,
but I

I don't believe you understand much of anything. Even my
autoresponders
get
spam and send automatic replies resulting in undeliverable bounces.
You
can't spam the spammers back because they HATE SPAM and prevent its
reception on their end by not providing any contact info without a
PAID
ORDER. If you'd like to try your method just send me your e-mail
address
and
I'll forward you the 300+ spams a day I get.
Yes.
In fact he may allready be effectively spamming other people himself by
bouncing like this!. One of the 'tricks' used by spammers, is to attach
a
forged return address. Sometimes these addresses are legitimate, and
people
bouncing the spam. end up sending this mail on to other legitimate
users.
Also the nature of the 'bounce', can be used by some sites to determine
that
the address is actually legitimate, and they increase the attempts to
send
the junk. :-(

I send them a dozen bogus replies and they're going to consider me a
useful target? Right. I get maybe one or two spams a day, so my
approach seems to work better than Mr. White's.
Basically, spammers want to know if anybody is there. It costs them

don't recall seeing are any significant historical examples of urban
areas that have reverted to agriculture - absent a total economic
collapse.

Duh, follow the marginal costs. Retake your college course with an eye
to
understanding it this time.

or a Multinational Conglomerate, to be a market. My point was that
we
have to have a marketable vehicle before we can develop the
markets - an
extraordinary vehicle if we want to develop extraordinary markets.
I

And my point remains exactly the opposite---and the economic studies
have
proved my point time and time again. "Build it, they will come" makes
a
nice
sappy movie but IT IS NOT reality.