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The psychological roots of calamitology
Most scientific workers are non-unionized. The American Geophysical Union is
a powerful scientific workers union that strongly supports the self
interests of its union members. They are extremely good at grantology. Year
after year, the AGU (and the WMO), reiterates a strong statement of concern
about global warming. It's a simple matter of self interest. The American
Consumers Union (or Russia) does not support global warming, it is not in
their interest. Calamitology is that sub-branch of climatology that concerns
itself with global warming and other exciting matters. Calamitology has
psychological roots. As a behavioral disorder, calamitology is reinforced by
positive grantological feedback. As a cognitive disorder calamitology has
roots in the imagery of certain influential sub-cultural literary works,
e.g. Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (1950).
From:
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/JNHDA/wic.htm
Selections from Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (1950)
' The astronomers and the geologists whose concern is all this .. should
judge of the causes
which could effect the derangement of the day and could cover the earth with
tenebrosity,'
wrote a clergyman who spent many years in Mexico and in the libraries of the
Old World which
store ancient manuscripts of the Mayas and works of early Indian and Spanish
authors about them.
[Immanuel Velikovsky, Worlds in Collision, 1950].
1.The aborigines of British North Borneo, even today, declare that the sky
was originally low, and that six suns perished, and at present the world is
illuminated by the seventh sun. [ Worlds in Collision, p.52 ]
2. And he said in the sight of Israel. Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon;
and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the
moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. So
the sun stood still in the midst of the heaven, and hasted not to go down
about a whole day (Joshua 10: 12-13). [ Worlds in Collision, p.55 ]
3. The quotation in the Bible from the Book of Jasher is laconic and may
give the impression that the phenomenon of the motionless sun and moon was
local, seen only in Palestine between the valleys of Ajalon and Gibeon. But
the cosmic character of the prodigy is pictured in a thanksgiving prayer
ascribed to Joshua: 'Sun and moon stood still in heaven.' [ Worlds in
Collision, p.59 ]
4. In the Mexican annals it is stated that the world was deprived of light
and the sun did not reappear for a fourfold night. [ Worlds in Collision,
1950:62 ]
5. Sahagun, the Spanish savant who came to America a generation after
Columbus and gathered the traditions of the aborigines, wrote that at the
time of one cosmic catastrophe the sun rose only a little way over the
horizon and remained there without moving; the moon also stood still. [
Worlds in Collision, p.62 ]
6. In the manuscripts of Avila and Molina, who collected the traditions of
the Indians of the New World, it is related that the sun did not appear for
five days, a cosmic collision of stars preceded the cataclysm; people and
animals tried to escape to mountain caves. 'Scarcely had they reached there,
when the sea, breaking out of bounds following a terrifying shock, began the
rise of the pacific coast. But as the sea rose, filling the valleys and the
plains around, the mountain of Ancasmarca rose too, like a ship on the
waves. During the five days that this cataclysm lasted, the sun did not show
its face and the earth remained in darkness.' [ Worlds in Collision, p.76 ]
7. According to the Lapland cosmogonic story ...the angry God spoke, 'I
shall reverse the world, I shall bid the rivers flow upward; I shall cause
the sea to gather itself up into a towering wall which I shall hurl upon
your wicked earth-children, and thus destroy them and all life. ...(Jubmel)
with one strong upheaval, made the earth-lands all turn over.' [ Worlds in
Collision, p.88 ]
8. The Finns tell in their Kalevala that the support of the sky gave way and
a spark of fire kindled a new sun and a new moon. [ Worlds in Collision,
p.103 ]
9. The tradition of the Cashina, the aborigines of western Brazil, is
narrated as follows; 'the lightnings flashed and the thunders roared
terribly and all were afraid. Then the heaven burst and the fragments fell
down and killed everything and everybody. Heaven and earth changed places.
Nothing that had life was left upon the earth.' [ Worlds in Collision,
p.104 ]
10. According to the legends of the New World, the profile of the land
changed in a catastrophe, new valleys were formed, mountain ridges were torn
apart, new gulfs were cut out, ancient heights were overturned and new ones
sprang up. The few survivors of the ruined world were enveloped in darkness,
'the sun in some way did not exist.' [ Worlds in Collision, p.106 ]
11. CHINA: At the time of the miracle is said to have happened that the sun
during a span of ten days did not set, the forests were ignited, and a
multitude of abominable vermin was brought forth.'In the lifetime of Yao
[Yahou] the sun did not set for full ten days and the entire land was
flooded.' [ Worlds in Collision, p.114 ]
12. Thereupon Yaou [Yahou] commanded Hi and Ho, in reverent accordance with
the wide heavens, to calculate and delineate the movements and the
appearances of the sun, the moon, the stars, and the zodiacal spaces; and to
deliver respectfully the seasons to the people. [ Worlds in Collision,
p.116 ]
13. Herodotus: 'No reversal of sunrise and sunset takes place in a Sothis
period.' [ Worlds in Collision, p.118 ]
14. Pomponius Mela, a Latin author of the first century. wrote: 'The
Egyptians pride themselves on being the most ancient people in the world. In
their authentic annals...one may read that since they have been in
existence, the course of the stars has changed direction four times, and the
sun has set twice in the part of the sky where it rises today.' [ Worlds in
Collision, p.119 ]
15. The Magical Papyrus Harris speaks of a cosmic upheaval of fire and water
when 'the south becomes north, and the earth turns over.' [ Worlds in
Collision, p.120 ]
16. In the Papyrus Ipuwer it is similarly stated that 'the land turns round
[over] as does a potter's wheel,' and 'Earth turns upside down.' [ Worlds in
Collision, p.121 ]
17. In the Ermitage Papyrus [Leningrad, 1116b recto] also, reference is made
to a catastrophe that turned the 'land upside down; happens that which never
(yet) had happened.' It is assumed at that time- in the second
millenium-people were not aware of the daily rotation of the earth, and
believed that the firmament with its luminaries turned around earth;
therefore the expression, 'the earth turned over,' does not refer to the
daily rotation of the globe. Nor do these descriptions in the papyri of
Leiden and Leningrad leave room for figurative explanation of the sentence,
especially if we consider the text of the Papyrus Harris-the turning over of
earth is accompanied by the interchange of the south and north poles. [
Worlds in Collision, p.121 ]
18. Harakhte is the Egyptian name for the western sun. As there is but one
sun in the sky, it is supposed that Harakhte means the sun at its setting.
But why should the sun at its setting be regarded as a deity different from
the morning sun? The identity of the rising and the setting sun is seen by
everyone. The inscriptions do not leave any room for misunderstanding:
'Harakhte, he riseth in the west.' " [ Worlds in Collision, p.121 ]
19. The texts found in the pyramids say that the luminary 'ceased to live in
the occident, and shines, a new one, in the orient.' After the reversal of
direction, whenever it may have occurred, the words 'west' and 'east' were
no longer synonyms, and it is necessary to clarify references by adding:
'the west which is at the sun-setting.' It was not mere tautology, as the
translator of this text thought.[ Worlds in Collision, p.120 ]
20. In the tomb of Senmut, the architect of Queen Hatshepsut, a panel on the
ceiling shows the celestial sphere with 'a reversed orientation' or the
southern sky. The end of the Middle Kingdom antedated the time of Queen
Hatshepsut by several centuries. The astronomical ceiling presenting a
reversed orientation must have been a venerated chart, made obsolete a
number of centuries earlier. 'A characteristic feature of the Senmut ceiling
is the astronomically objectionable orientation of the souther panel,' The
center of this panel is occupied by the Orion-Sirius group, in which Orion
appears west of Sirius instead of east. 'The orientating of the souther
panel is such that a person in the tomb looking at it has to lift his head
and face north, not south.' 'With the reversed orientation of the south
panel, Orion, the most conspicuous constellation of the southern sky,
appeared to be moving eastward, i.e., in the wrong direction.' [ Worlds in
Collision, p.120 ]
21. The real meaning of 'the irrational orientation of the southern panel'
and the 'reversed position of Orion' appears to be this: the southern panel
shows the sky of Egypt as it was before the celestial sphere interchanged
north and south, east and west. The northern panel shows the sky of Egypt as
it was on some night of the year in the time of Senmut.[ Worlds in
Collision, p.120 ]
22. Plato wrote in his dialogue, The Statesman (Politicus): 'I mean the
change in the rising and the setting of the sun and the other heavenly
bodies, how in those times they used to set in the quarter where they now
rise, and they used to rise where they now set..'[ Worlds in Collision,
p.122 ]
23. According to a short fragment of a historical drama by Sophocles
(Atreus), the sun rises in the east only since its course was reversed.
'Zeus ... changed the course of the sun, causing it to rise in the east and
not in the west.'"[ Worlds in Collision, p.122 ]
24. Seneca knew more than his older contemporary Strabo. In his drama
Thyestes, he gave a powerful description of what happened when the sun
turned backward in the morning sky, which reveals much profound knowledge of
natural phenomena. When the sun reversed its course and blotted out the day
in mid-Olympus (noon), and the sinking sun beheld Aurora, the people,
smitten with fear, asked: 'Have we of all mankind been deemed deserving that
heaven, its poles uptorn, should overwhelm us" In our time has the last day
come?' [ Worlds in Collision, p.123 ]
25. Caius Julius Solinus, a Latin author of the third century of the present
era, wrote of the people living on the southern borders of Egypt: 'The
inhabitants of this country say that they have it from their ancestors that
the sun now sets where it formerly rose,' [ Worlds in Collision, p.124 ]
26. In the Syrian city Ugarit (Ras Shamra) was found a poem dedicated to the
planet-goddess Anat, who 'massacred the population of the Levant,' and who
'exchanged the two dawns and the positions of the stars.' [ Worlds in
Collision, p.125 ]
27. The reversal of east and west, if combined with the reversal of north
and south, would turn the constellations of the north into constellations of
the south, and show them in reversed order, as in the chart of the southern
sky on the ceiling of Senmut's tomb. The stars of the north would become the
stars of the south; this is what seems to be described by the Mexicans as
the 'driving away of the four hundred southern stars.' [ Worlds in
Collision, p.120 ]
28. The Eskimos of Greenland told missionaries that in an ancient time the
earth turned over and the people who lived then became antipodes. [ Worlds
in Collision, p.126 ]
29. In Tractate Sanhedrin of the Talmud it is said: 'Seven days before the
deluge, the Holy One changed the primeval order and the sun rose in the west
and set in the east. [ Worlds in Collision, p.126 ]
30. Hai Gaon, the rabbinical authority who flourished between 939 and 1038,
in his Responses refers to cosmic changes in which the sun rose in the west
and set in the east. [ Worlds in Collision, p.126 ]
31. In Voluspa (Poetic Edda) of the Icelanders we read:
'No knowledge she [the sun] had where
her home should be,
The moon knew not what was his,
The stars knew not where their stations were.'
Then the gods set order among the heavenly bodies
[ Worlds in Collision, p.130 ]
32. The Aztecs related: 'There had been no sun in existence for many years
...[The Chiefs] began to peer through the gloom in all directions for the
expected sight, and to make bets as to what part of heaven [the sun] should
first appear ... but when the sun rose, they were all proved wrong, for not
one of them had fixed upon the east.'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.131 ]
33. Similarly the Mayan legend tells that 'it was not known from where the
new sun would appear.' 'They looked in al directions, but they were unable
to say where the sun would rise. Some thought it might take place in the
north and their glances were turned in that direction. Others thought it
would be in the south. Actually, their guess included all directions because
dawn shone all around. Some, however, fixed their attention of the orient,
and maintained that the sun would come from there. It was their opinion that
proved to be correct. [ Worlds in Collision, p.131 ]
34. On the Andaman Islands the natives are afraid that a natural catastrophe
will cause the world to turn over. [ Worlds in Collision, p.132 ]
35. In Greenland also the Eskimos fear that the earth will turn over. [
Worlds in Collision, p.132 ]
36. "In Menin (Flanders) the peasants say, on seeing a comet: 'The sky is
going to fall; the earth is turning over!'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.132 ]
37. The Egyptian papyrus known as Papyrus Anastasi IV contains a complaint
about gloom and the absence of solar light; it also say also: 'The winter is
come as (instead of) summer, the months are reversed and the hours
disordered. [ Worlds in Collision, p.132 ]
38. 'The breath of heaven is out of harmony.... The four seasons do not
observe their proper times,' we read in the Texts of Taoism." [ Worlds in
Collision, p.132 ]
39. In the historical memoirs of Se-Ma Ts'ien, as in the annals of the Shu
King (already quoted) it is said that Emperor Yahou sent astronomers to the
Valley of Obscurity and to the Sombre Residence to observe the new movements
of the sun and the moon and the zyzygies or the orbital points of the
conjunctions, also to 'investigate and inform the people of the order of the
seasons.'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.133 ]
40. It is also said that Yahou introduced a calendar reform: he brought the
seasons into accord with the observations; he did the same with the months;
and he 'corrected the days.' [ Worlds in Collision, p.120 ]
41. 'The astronomers and the geologists whose concern is all this ... should
judge of the causes which could effect the derangement of the day and could
cover the earth with tenebrosity,' wrote a clergyman who spent many years in
Mexico and in the libraries of the Old World which store ancient manuscripts
of the Mayas and works of early Indian and Spanish authors about them. [
Worlds in Collision, p.134 ]
42. The calendar had to be adjusted anew. The astronomical values of the
year and the day could not be the same before and after an upheaval in
which, as the quoted Papyrus Anastasi IV says, the months were reversed and
the 'hours disordered.'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.135 ]
43. The fact I hope to establish is that from the fifteenth century to the
eighth century before the present era the astronomical year was equal to 360
days; neither before the fifteenth century, nor after the eighth century was
the year of this length." [ Worlds in Collision, p.136 ]
44. In the so-called Manuscript Quiche it is also narrated that there was
'little light on the surface of the earth .. the faces of the sun and the
moon were covered with clouds.'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.140 ]
45. In the Ermitage Papyrus in Leningrad (previously mentioned) there are
lamentations about a terrible catastrophe, when heaven and earth turned
upside down ("I show thee the land upside down: it happed that which never
had happened'). After this catastrophe, darkness covered the earth: 'The is
veiled and shines not in the sight of men. None can live when the sun is
veiled by clouds. ..None knoweth that midday is there; the shadow is not
discerned .. Not dazzled is the sight when he [the sun] is beheld; he is in
the sky like the moon.'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.140 ]
46. In the Papyrus Anastasi IV the years of misery are described, and it is
said" 'The sun, it hath come to pass that it riseth not.'" [ Worlds in
Collision, p.140 ]
47. In the Kalevala, the Finnish epos which 'dates back to an enormous
antiquity,' the time the sun and moon disappeared from the sky, and dreaded
shadows covered it, is described in these words:
'Even birds grew sick and perished,
men and maidens, faint and famished,
perished in the cold and darkness,
from the absence of sunshine..
from the absence of moonlight...
But the wise men of the Northland
could not know the dawn of morning,
for the moon shines not in season
nor appears the sun at midday,
from their stations in the sky-vault.'
[ Worlds in Collision, p.143 ]
48. The Greeks as well as the Carians and other peoples on the shores of the
Aegean Sea told of a time when the sun was driven off its course and
disappeared for an entire day,..." [ Worlds in Collision, p.153 ]
49. The disturbance in the movement of the sun was followed by a period as
long as a day, when the sun did not appear at all. Ovid continues: 'If we
are to believe the report, one whole day went without the sun. But the
burning world gave light.'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.155 ]
50. Plato recorded the story heard two generations before from Solon, the
wise ruler of Athens. '..the story, as it is told, has the fashion of a
legend, but the truth of it lies in the occurrence of a shifting of the
bodies in the heavens which move around the earth, and a destruction of the
things on the earth by a fierce fire, which recurs at long intervals.' [
Worlds in Collision, p.155-6 ]
51. "Thyestes and his brother Atreus were .. Argive Tyrants. Living in the
eighth century, they must have witnessed the cosmic catastrophes of the days
of Isaiah. Greek tradition persists that a cosmic catastrophe occurred in
the time of these tyrants: the sun changed its course and the night came
before its proper time." [ Worlds in Collision, p.223 ]
52. Seneca describes the change of position of each constellation-the Ram,
the Bull, the Twins, the Lion, the Virgin, the Scales, the Scorpion, the
Goat, and the Wain (the Great Bear) 'And the Wain, which was never bathed in
the sea, shall be plunged beneath the all-engulfing waves.'
53. A commentator who wondered about this description of the position of the
Great Bear wrote: There was no mythological reason why the Wain-otherwise
known as the Great Bear-should not be bathed in the Ocean.' But Seneca said
precisely this strange thing: the Great Bear-or one of its stars-never set
beneath the horizon, and thus the polar star was among its stars during the
age that came to an end in the time of the Argive tyrants. Seneca also says
explicitly that the poles were torn up in this cataclysm" [ Worlds in
Collision, p.225 ]
54. In the tale of the southern Ute Indians, the cottontail is the animal
that is connected with the disruption of the movement of the sun." ..."There
is one instance more in the Indian story of the sun being impeded on its
path and the ensuing world conflagation. Before the catastrophe, 'the sun
used to go round close to the ground.' the purpose of the attack on the sun
was to make 'the sun shine a little longer: the days were too short.' After
the catastrophe 'the days became longer.'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.315 ]
55. According to Seneca the Great Bear had been the polar constellation.
After a cosmic upheaval shifted the sky, a star of the Little Bear became
the polar star.
Hindu astronomical tablets composed by the Brahmans in the first half of the
millennium before the present era shows a uniform deviation from the
expected position of the stars at the time the observations were made (the
precession of the equinoxes being taken into consideration). Modern scholars
wondered at this, in their opinion inexplicable error. In view of the
geometrical methods employed by Hindu astronomy and its detailed method of
calculation, a mistake in observation equal to even a fraction of a degree
would be difficult to account for. In Jaiminiya-Upanisad-Brahmana it is
written that the center of the sky, or the point around which the firmament
revolves, is the Great Bear. This is the same statement we found in Thyestes
of the Seneca. [Worlds in Collision, p.317 ]
56. The day on which the shortest shadow is cast at noon is the day of the
summer solstice; the longest shadow at noon is cast on the day of the winter
solstice. The method of determining the seasons by measuring the length of
the shadows was applied in ancient china, as well as in other countries."
"We possess the Chinese records of the longest and shortest shadows at
noontime. These records are attributed to -1100. 'But the shortest and
longest shadows recorded do not really represent the true lengths at
present.' The old Chinese charts record the longest day with a duration
which does not represent the various geographical latitudes of their
observatories,' and therefore the figures are supposed to have been those of
Babylonia, borrowed by ancient Chinese, a rather unusual conjecture. [
Worlds in Collision, p.318 ]
57. {Kugler, SSB,I,226-227}. "The length of the longest day in a year
depends on the latitude, or the distance from the pole, and is different at
different places. Gnomons or sundials can be built with great precision. The
Babylonian astronomical tablets of the eighth century provide exact data,
according to which the longest day at Babylon was equal to 14 hours, 24
minutes, whereas the modern determination is 14 hours 10 minutes and 54
seconds." 'the difference between the two figures is too great to be
attributable to refraction, which makes the sun still visible over the
horizon after it has set. Thus, the greater length of the day corresponds to
latitude 34 degrees 57 minutes, and points to a place 2 1/2 degrees further
to the north; we stand therefore before a strange riddle [vor einem
merkwurdgien Ratsel.]. One tries to decide: either the tablets of System II
do not originate from Babylon [though referring to Babylon] or this city
actually was situated far [farther] to the north, about 35away from the
equator." [Kugler, Die babylonische Mondrechnung: Zwei Systeme der Chaldäer
über den Lauf des Mondes und der Sonne (1900), p.80]
58. Claudius Ptolemy, who in his Almagest, made computations for
contemporaneous and ancient Babylon, arrived at two different estimates of
the longest day at that city, and consequently of the latitude at which it
was located. One of his estimates being practically of the present-day
value, the other coinciding with the figure of the ancient Babylonian
tables, 14 hours, 24 minutes." [ Worlds in Collision, p.319 ] The Arabian
medieval scholar Arzachel computed from ancient codices that in more ancient
times Babylon was situated at a latitude of 35 degrees 0 minutes from the
equator, while in later times it was situated more to the south. Johannes
Kepler drew attention to this calculation of Arzachel and to the fact that
between ancient and modern Babylon there was thus a difference in latitude."
59. "Thus Ptolemy and likewise Arzachel, computed that in historical times
Babylon was situated at latitude 35. Modern scholars arrived at identical
results on the basis of ancient Babylonian computations. 'This much,
therefore, is certain: our tables [System II, and I also], and the
astronomers mentioned as well, point to a place about 35 north latitude. Is
it possible that they were mistaken by 2 to 21/2 degrees ? This is scarcely
possible.'" {Kugler, ibid., p.81.}
60. Some of the classic authors knew that the earth had changed its position
and had turned towards the south; not all of them, however, were aware of
the real cause of this perturbation. Diogenes Laertius repeated the teaching
of Leucippus: 'The earth bent or inclined towards the south because the
northern regions grew rigid and inflexible by the snowy and cold weather
which ensued thereon.' The same idea is found in Plutarch, who quoted the
teaching of Democritus: 'The northern regions were ill temperate, but the
southern were well; whereby the latter becoming fruitful, waxed greater, and
by an overweight preponderated and inclined to the whole that way.'
Empedocles, quoted by Plutarch, taught that the north was bent from its
former position, whereupon the northern regions were elevated and the
southern depressed. Anaxagoras taught that the pole received a turn and that
the world became inclined toward the south."[Worlds in Collision, p.320]
SOURCE: Velikovsky, Immanuel. Worlds in Collision, Simon & Shuster, New
York, 1977. First Printed in 1950. |
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| Vendicar Decarian |
| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:26 pm |
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"Dr. Convection" <Convection@convection.net> wrote in message
news:Hq9B0G.9p1@campus-news-reading.utoronto.ca...
Quote: The psychological roots of calamitology
.... Nonsense from the alien visitation Kook snipped.
Quote: SOURCE: Velikovsky, Immanuel. Worlds in Collision, Simon & Shuster, New
York, 1977. First Printed in 1950.
And discredited in 1950
Bahahahah.. Quoting Immanuel Vilikovski.
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| Roger Coppock |
| Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:00 pm |
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This post has an easily verified lie and pages of
quotes from a young earth creationist fraud. If
anyone wonders why we call them "Fossil Fools,"
this post is exhibit number one.
"Dr. Convection" wrote:
Quote:
The psychological roots of calamitology
Most scientific workers are non-unionized. The American Geophysical Union is
a powerful scientific workers union that strongly supports the self
interests of its union members. They are extremely good at grantology. Year
after year, the AGU (and the WMO), reiterates a strong statement of concern
about global warming. It's a simple matter of self interest. The American
Consumers Union
As far as I know, Consumers Union, CU the publisher of "Consumer
Reports," supports the anthropogenic global warming issue.
A simple Google search on "consumers union global warming" will
quickly verify this.
[. . .]
Quote: e.g. Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (1950).
From:
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/JNHDA/wic.htm
Selections from Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (1950)
[ a BIG SNIP of Velikovsky junk science.]
Quote: SOURCE: Velikovsky, Immanuel. Worlds in Collision, Simon & Shuster, New
York, 1977. First Printed in 1950.
Immanuel Velikovsky was a young earth creationist known for
making up his references.
--
"One who joyfully guards his mind
And fears his own confusion
Can not fall.
He has found his way to peace."
-- Buddha, in the "Pali Dhammapada,"
~5th century BCE
-.-. --.- Roger Coppock (rcoppock@adnc.com)
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