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Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:31 am
Guest
Statement by The HSUS in Response to V.P. Cheney's Shooting Spree at a PA
Canned Hunting Facility


December 9, 2003

WASHINGTON--Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President Dick
Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an
unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a
spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in
which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by
patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by rank-and-file
sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot
confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised pheasants
were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier
Township for the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. The group
killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature of
canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive mallards in
the afternoon. Click here to read the Post-Gazette's story.

"This wasn't a hunting ground. It was an open-air abattoir, and the vice
president should be ashamed to have patronized this operation and then
slaughtered so many animals," states Wayne Pacelle, a senior vice president
of The Humane Society of the United States. "If the Vice President and his
friends wanted to sharpen their shooting skills, they could have shot skeet
or clay, not resorted to the slaughter of more than 400 creatures planted
right in front of them as animated targets."

The Humane Society of the United States deplores the shooting of captive
birds and animals where traditional "fair chase" hunting ethics are
discarded and kills are guaranteed. We are campaigning to outlaw canned
hunts through federal and state legislation. Our opposition is more
thoroughly delineated in an opinion page essay by Pacelle in today's edition
of The New York Times (page 29).

The HSUS is the nation's largest animal protection organization with more
than seven million members and constituents. The HSUS is a mainstream voice
for animals, with active programs in companion animals and equine
protection, wildlife and habitat protection, animals in research and farm
animals and sustainable agriculture. The HSUS has protected all animals
through legislation, litigation, investigation, education, advocacy and
field work. The non-profit organization, which celebrates its 50th
anniversary in 2004, is based in Washington, DC and has 10 regional offices
across the country. For more information, visit The HSUS' Web site -
www.hsus.org.



--
"We must create a <economic> crisis in order to ensure that there is no
alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995.

"We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby starving
it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian.

"Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the government,
paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would place
heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior
Economist - Progressive Policy Institute.

"They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in
order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts
are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of
everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist.
Hugh G. Rection
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:35 am
Guest
It would be kind of funny if Dick Cheney suddenly showed up at a homeless
shelter to feed hungry people a pheasant dinner.
Mamamia
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:57 am
Guest
In article <5clCb.2841$mV5.2127@read1.cgocable.net>,
"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote:
Quote:
Statement by The HSUS in Response to V.P. Cheney's Shooting Spree at a PA
Canned Hunting Facility
December 9, 2003
WASHINGTON--Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President Dick
Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an
unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a
spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in
which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by
patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by rank-and-file
sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot
confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised pheasants
were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier
Township for the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. The group
killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature of
canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive mallards in
the afternoon. Click here to read the Post-Gazette's story.

Oh, hell..some stupid asshole told the Repugs they were *peasants*, and
they got out their machine guns and totalled them out.<grin>
--
Mamamia
The Pretzel
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:07 pm
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"Hugh G. Rection" <not@chance.com> wrote in message
news:5elCb.8$SO3.17883@news.uswest.net...
Quote:
It would be kind of funny if Dick Cheney suddenly showed up at a homeless
shelter to feed hungry people a pheasant dinner.
It would be even funnier to see that pompous asshole liar show up in

Afghanistan in the mountain ranges between said country and Pakkistan. Since
he enjoys hunting....
Thomas Palm
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:52 pm
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"The Pretzel" <rold_gold@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:FBmCb.59822$R9.2917@twister.socal.rr.com:

Quote:

"Hugh G. Rection" <not@chance.com> wrote in message
news:5elCb.8$SO3.17883@news.uswest.net...
It would be kind of funny if Dick Cheney suddenly showed up at a
homeless shelter to feed hungry people a pheasant dinner.
It would be even funnier to see that pompous asshole liar show up in
Afghanistan in the mountain ranges between said country and Pakkistan.
Since he enjoys hunting....

I'm sure the troops down there could organize a similar pleasure by
releasing a group of prisoners in front of him. They could even give them
rifles (unloaded, of course!) and tell Cheney he was fighting dangerous
terrorists so he could feel like a big hero.
Submariner
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:15 pm
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"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:5clCb.2841$mV5.2127@read1.cgocable.net...
Quote:

Statement by The HSUS in Response to V.P. Cheney's Shooting Spree at a PA
Canned Hunting Facility


December 9, 2003

WASHINGTON--Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President Dick
Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an
unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a
spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in
which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by
patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by rank-and-file
sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot
confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised pheasants
were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier
Township for the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. The group
killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature of
canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive mallards in
the afternoon. Click here to read the Post-Gazette's story.

"This wasn't a hunting ground. It was an open-air abattoir, and the vice
president should be ashamed to have patronized this operation and then
slaughtered so many animals," states Wayne Pacelle, a senior vice president
of The Humane Society of the United States. "If the Vice President and his
friends wanted to sharpen their shooting skills, they could have shot skeet
or clay, not resorted to the slaughter of more than 400 creatures planted
right in front of them as animated targets."

The Humane Society of the United States deplores the shooting of captive
birds and animals where traditional "fair chase" hunting ethics are
discarded and kills are guaranteed. We are campaigning to outlaw canned
hunts through federal and state legislation. Our opposition is more
thoroughly delineated in an opinion page essay by Pacelle in today's edition
of The New York Times (page 29).

The HSUS is the nation's largest animal protection organization with more
than seven million members and constituents. The HSUS is a mainstream voice
for animals, with active programs in companion animals and equine
protection, wildlife and habitat protection, animals in research and farm
animals and sustainable agriculture. The HSUS has protected all animals
through legislation, litigation, investigation, education, advocacy and
field work. The non-profit organization, which celebrates its 50th
anniversary in 2004, is based in Washington, DC and has 10 regional offices
across the country. For more information, visit The HSUS' Web site -
www.hsus.org.



It's as easy as bombing Iraqi children.


Quote:


--
"We must create a <economic> crisis in order to ensure that there is no
alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995.

"We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby starving
it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian.

"Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the government,
paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would place
heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior
Economist - Progressive Policy Institute.

"They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in
order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts
are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of
everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist.

Roedy Green
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:52 pm
Guest
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:31:22 -0500, "Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net>
wrote or quoted :

Quote:
the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. T

too bad they didn't shoot each other.

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
ronin
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:09 pm
Guest
Cheney needs more blood for the Repub neocon blood cult.




"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:5clCb.2841$mV5.2127@read1.cgocable.net...
Quote:

Statement by The HSUS in Response to V.P. Cheney's Shooting Spree at a PA
Canned Hunting Facility


December 9, 2003

WASHINGTON--Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President Dick
Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an
unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a
spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in
which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by
patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by
rank-and-file
sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot
confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised pheasants
were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier
Township for the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. The group
killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature of
canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive mallards in
the afternoon. Click here to read the Post-Gazette's story.

"This wasn't a hunting ground. It was an open-air abattoir, and the vice
president should be ashamed to have patronized this operation and then
slaughtered so many animals," states Wayne Pacelle, a senior vice
president
of The Humane Society of the United States. "If the Vice President and his
friends wanted to sharpen their shooting skills, they could have shot
skeet
or clay, not resorted to the slaughter of more than 400 creatures planted
right in front of them as animated targets."

The Humane Society of the United States deplores the shooting of captive
birds and animals where traditional "fair chase" hunting ethics are
discarded and kills are guaranteed. We are campaigning to outlaw canned
hunts through federal and state legislation. Our opposition is more
thoroughly delineated in an opinion page essay by Pacelle in today's
edition
of The New York Times (page 29).

The HSUS is the nation's largest animal protection organization with more
than seven million members and constituents. The HSUS is a mainstream
voice
for animals, with active programs in companion animals and equine
protection, wildlife and habitat protection, animals in research and farm
animals and sustainable agriculture. The HSUS has protected all animals
through legislation, litigation, investigation, education, advocacy and
field work. The non-profit organization, which celebrates its 50th
anniversary in 2004, is based in Washington, DC and has 10 regional
offices
across the country. For more information, visit The HSUS' Web site -
www.hsus.org.



--
"We must create a <economic> crisis in order to ensure that there is no
alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995.

"We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby
starving
it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian.

"Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the
government,
paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would
place
heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior
Economist - Progressive Policy Institute.

"They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in
order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts
are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of
everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist.

Tempest
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:50 pm
Guest
Submariner wrote:
Quote:

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:5clCb.2841$mV5.2127@read1.cgocable.net...

Statement by The HSUS in Response to V.P. Cheney's Shooting Spree at a PA
Canned Hunting Facility


December 9, 2003

WASHINGTON--Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President Dick
Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an
unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a
spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in
which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by
patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by rank-and-file
sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot
confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised pheasants
were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier
Township for the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. The group
killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature of
canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive mallards in
the afternoon. Click here to read the Post-Gazette's story.

"This wasn't a hunting ground. It was an open-air abattoir, and the vice
president should be ashamed to have patronized this operation and then
slaughtered so many animals," states Wayne Pacelle, a senior vice president
of The Humane Society of the United States. "If the Vice President and his
friends wanted to sharpen their shooting skills, they could have shot skeet
or clay, not resorted to the slaughter of more than 400 creatures planted
right in front of them as animated targets."

The Humane Society of the United States deplores the shooting of captive
birds and animals where traditional "fair chase" hunting ethics are
discarded and kills are guaranteed. We are campaigning to outlaw canned
hunts through federal and state legislation. Our opposition is more
thoroughly delineated in an opinion page essay by Pacelle in today's edition
of The New York Times (page 29).

The HSUS is the nation's largest animal protection organization with more
than seven million members and constituents. The HSUS is a mainstream voice
for animals, with active programs in companion animals and equine
protection, wildlife and habitat protection, animals in research and farm
animals and sustainable agriculture. The HSUS has protected all animals
through legislation, litigation, investigation, education, advocacy and
field work. The non-profit organization, which celebrates its 50th
anniversary in 2004, is based in Washington, DC and has 10 regional offices
across the country. For more information, visit The HSUS' Web site -
www.hsus.org.


It's as easy as bombing Iraqi children.

Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.

--
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Andrew Lange
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:11 pm
Guest
In article <3FDA6260.B4589933@hotmail.com>, Tempest says...
Quote:



Submariner wrote:

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:5clCb.2841$mV5.2127@read1.cgocable.net...

Statement by The HSUS in Response to V.P. Cheney's Shooting Spree at a PA
Canned Hunting Facility


December 9, 2003

WASHINGTON--Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President Dick
Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an
unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a
spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in
which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by
patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by rank-and-file
sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot
confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised pheasants
were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier
Township for the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. The group
killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature of
canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive mallards in
the afternoon. Click here to read the Post-Gazette's story.

"This wasn't a hunting ground. It was an open-air abattoir, and the vice
president should be ashamed to have patronized this operation and then
slaughtered so many animals," states Wayne Pacelle, a senior vice president
of The Humane Society of the United States. "If the Vice President and his
friends wanted to sharpen their shooting skills, they could have shot skeet
or clay, not resorted to the slaughter of more than 400 creatures planted
right in front of them as animated targets."

The Humane Society of the United States deplores the shooting of captive
birds and animals where traditional "fair chase" hunting ethics are
discarded and kills are guaranteed. We are campaigning to outlaw canned
hunts through federal and state legislation. Our opposition is more
thoroughly delineated in an opinion page essay by Pacelle in today's edition
of The New York Times (page 29).

The HSUS is the nation's largest animal protection organization with more
than seven million members and constituents. The HSUS is a mainstream voice
for animals, with active programs in companion animals and equine
protection, wildlife and habitat protection, animals in research and farm
animals and sustainable agriculture. The HSUS has protected all animals
through legislation, litigation, investigation, education, advocacy and
field work. The non-profit organization, which celebrates its 50th
anniversary in 2004, is based in Washington, DC and has 10 regional offices
across the country. For more information, visit The HSUS' Web site -
www.hsus.org.


It's as easy as bombing Iraqi children.

Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.



Liberating two populations from oppressive regimes isn't a sign that those
populations are considered "sub-human", it's a sign that those who advocate for
their liberty believe them to be people who value and deserve their freedom no
less than the people in this country.

It's a sign that we believe them to be the equal - as all people are created
equal.

But no, you'd rather see them oppressed and in bondage. You have your freedom,
what do you care if some sub-humans (as you term them) don't have theirs?

That's a disgusting and elitist attitude. You should be ashamed.

- Andrew Langer

Any posts by Andrew Langer are his own, written by him, for his own
enjoyment (and the education of others). Unless expressly stated,
they represent his own views, and not those of any other individuals
or entities. He is not, nor has he ever been, paid to post here.
Donald L Ferrt
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:27 pm
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"Hugh G. Rection" <not@chance.com> wrote in message news:<5elCb.8$SO3.17883@news.uswest.net>...
Quote:
It would be kind of funny if Dick Cheney suddenly showed up at a homeless
shelter to feed hungry people a pheasant dinner.

Let him loosen some of that Halliburton money for that use first!

A Known Chicken Hawk needs fenced wildlife to shoot = Ever see and
outraged Turkey! They would have toi fly in a change of pants for
Cheney!

Cannned hunts are dunb!
The Pretzel
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:34 pm
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"Tempest" <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FDA6260.B4589933@hotmail.com...
Quote:


Submariner wrote:

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:5clCb.2841$mV5.2127@read1.cgocable.net...

Statement by The HSUS in Response to V.P. Cheney's Shooting Spree at a
PA
Canned Hunting Facility


December 9, 2003

WASHINGTON--Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President
Dick
Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and
an
unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a
spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting,
in
which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by
patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by
rank-and-file
sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot
confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised
pheasants
were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier
Township for the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. The
group
killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature
of
canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive
mallards in
the afternoon. Click here to read the Post-Gazette's story.

"This wasn't a hunting ground. It was an open-air abattoir, and the
vice
president should be ashamed to have patronized this operation and then
slaughtered so many animals," states Wayne Pacelle, a senior vice
president
of The Humane Society of the United States. "If the Vice President and
his
friends wanted to sharpen their shooting skills, they could have shot
skeet
or clay, not resorted to the slaughter of more than 400 creatures
planted
right in front of them as animated targets."

The Humane Society of the United States deplores the shooting of
captive
birds and animals where traditional "fair chase" hunting ethics are
discarded and kills are guaranteed. We are campaigning to outlaw
canned
hunts through federal and state legislation. Our opposition is more
thoroughly delineated in an opinion page essay by Pacelle in today's
edition
of The New York Times (page 29).

The HSUS is the nation's largest animal protection organization with
more
than seven million members and constituents. The HSUS is a mainstream
voice
for animals, with active programs in companion animals and equine
protection, wildlife and habitat protection, animals in research and
farm
animals and sustainable agriculture. The HSUS has protected all
animals
through legislation, litigation, investigation, education, advocacy
and
field work. The non-profit organization, which celebrates its 50th
anniversary in 2004, is based in Washington, DC and has 10 regional
offices
across the country. For more information, visit The HSUS' Web site -
www.hsus.org.


It's as easy as bombing Iraqi children.

Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.
I have a better idea. Give the pheasants and ducks rifles and release Dick

Cheney.
Quote:
--
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:01 pm
Guest
"Tempest" <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.

I'm not sure if they are considered Subhuman.

We do know that NeoCon/Republican beancounters have pegged the value of
the average american life at $200,000.

Specifically they argue that any cost greater than $200,000 carried by
industry is excessive if it decreases a products mortality rate by 1 life or
less.

Meanwhile Uncle Sam pays relatives of "wrongly" murdered Iraqui's and
Afghani's, $1,000 a head.

Apparently Uncle Sam still has a problem with racial equality.
cornytheclown
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:47 pm
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Roedy Green <look-at-the-website-for-actual-Roedy@mindprod.com> wrote in message news:<65lktvcd1htblrfomlb5p3tt0fvl5bdqdg@4ax.com>...
Quote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:31:22 -0500, "Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net
wrote or quoted :

the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. T

too bad they didn't shoot each other.

There are hunting resorts in the US where the deer are so tame a man
could probably beat one to death with his fists if he wanted. The
animals are practically raised to shoot themselves.


True sportsmanship in a Haliburton sort of way..............
Tempest
Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:51 am
Guest
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
Quote:

"Tempest" <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FDA6260.B4589933@hotmail.com...
Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.

I'm not sure if they are considered Subhuman.

We do know that NeoCon/Republican beancounters have pegged the value of
the average american life at $200,000.

Specifically they argue that any cost greater than $200,000 carried by
industry is excessive if it decreases a products mortality rate by 1 life or
less.

Meanwhile Uncle Sam pays relatives of "wrongly" murdered Iraqui's and
Afghani's, $1,000 a head.

Apparently Uncle Sam still has a problem with racial equality.

U.S. denies Iraqis compensation for civilian casualties

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4023027.html

"How much is an injury worth? How much is a life worth?" said one
official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "It all depends on the
value of a life in Iraq. The value of a life in Iraq is probably a lot
less than it would be in the U.S. or Britain."

--
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
 
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