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Tempest

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:52 am

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Vendicar Decarian wrote:

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"Tempest" <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.

I'm not sure if they are considered Subhuman.

We do know that NeoCon/Republican beancounters have pegged the value of
the average american life at $200,000.

Specifically they argue that any cost greater than $200,000 carried by
industry is excessive if it decreases a products mortality rate by 1 life or
less.

Meanwhile Uncle Sam pays relatives of "wrongly" murdered Iraqui's and
Afghani's, $1,000 a head.

Apparently Uncle Sam still has a problem with racial equality.

And age equality.

Elderly less valuable in cost-benefit analysis

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/4768787.htm

WASHINGTON - Saving the life of someone 70 or older may be worth only 63
percent as much as saving the life of someone younger, according to Bush
administration regulators.

--
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwell

Ian St. John

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:29 am

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"Andrew Langer" <Langrrr@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <3FDA6260.B4589933@hotmail.com>, Tempest says...
sniop
It's as easy as bombing Iraqi children.

Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.

Liberating two populations from oppressive regimes

They have not been liberated. They have only changed from their own
oppressor to a foreign one. Foreign oppressors are worse than local ones in
most cases since they have less connection to the culture, people, or
future. America is demonstrating this. As well, the incursion of a foreign
power always polarises a population and thus destabilizing. The likely
'winner' in this will be the radical extremists. Iran is poised to win big
by dominating the local Shiites and gaining control, thus punishing Saudi
Arabia for backing America.

Donald L Ferrt

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:24 am

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"Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message news:<llyCb.16482$aF2.1913132@news20.bellglobal.com>...

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"Andrew Langer" <Langrrr@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <3FDA6260.B4589933@hotmail.com>, Tempest says...
sniop
It's as easy as bombing Iraqi children.

Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.

Liberating two populations from oppressive regimes

They have not been liberated. They have only changed from their own
oppressor to a foreign one. Foreign oppressors are worse than local ones in
most cases since they have less connection to the culture, people, or
future. America is demonstrating this. As well, the incursion of a foreign
power always polarises a population and thus destabilizing. The likely
'winner' in this will be the radical extremists. Iran is poised to win big
by dominating the local Shiites and gaining control, thus punishing Saudi
Arabia for backing America.

The crunch will come after all that money is distributed to such as
Halliburtin for "reconstructing Iraq! Once the NeoCon Libertarians
get their way in Iraq as they did in Nicaragua, the crunch will come.
All industries will be privatized, maybe except oil as Bush says! The
American people will again be into games and other distractions
provided by the Empire. The common Iraqi will get a 200 dollar bill
for electricity where they are only making 29 dollars a month! The
surrounding Arab states will suddenly be unimpressed unless Perle can
get invasions on them!

As for oil, as pointed out to me by a Conservo friend, It is not labor
intensive for the revenue it provides. And even in the best of
states, the revenue gets distributed to the elites in contol = which
is the basis of any NeoCon state such as Nicaragua = If they had oil!

Thomas Palm

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:52 am

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"The Pretzel" <rold_gold@hotmail.com> wrote in
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I have a better idea. Give the pheasants and ducks rifles and release
Dick Cheney.

What about having Al Quaida load them up with explosives? Suicide
pheasants!

Who will be the first to make a computer game out of this incident? It
seems made for a simple browser based shooter.

Enough Already

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:10 am

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"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message news:<5clCb.2841$mV5.2127@read1.cgocable.net>...

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Statement by The HSUS in Response to V.P. Cheney's Shooting Spree at a PA
Canned Hunting Facility

December 9, 2003

WASHINGTON--Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President Dick
Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an
unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a
spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in
which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by
patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by rank-and-file
sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot
confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.

Just another example of "conserv"atives general lack of respect for
anything non-human. He probably thought of it as "harvesting." Call it
anything other than killing to tone down what really happened. BTW,
Cheney himself didn't shoot all the birds so the subject line is a
little misleading.

Who's going to eat them, anyhow? Another story says they were
immediately plucked and vacuum packed after the shootings.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/
If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague.

Tim Worstall

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:06 pm

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Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3FDAA91C.9877D7D4@hotmail.com>...

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Vendicar Decarian wrote:

"Tempest" <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Or Afghani children.

They're all considered sub-human to the religious rightwing.

I'm not sure if they are considered Subhuman.

We do know that NeoCon/Republican beancounters have pegged the value of
the average american life at $200,000.

Specifically they argue that any cost greater than $200,000 carried by
industry is excessive if it decreases a products mortality rate by 1 life or
less.

There has to be some level. Should we spend a billion dollars to save
a life ? Some EPA rules are calculated by the EPA to cost that much
for each life saved.
50 cents ? It's less than that to give oral rehydration therapy to a
child with cholera or dysentry.
A slightly cynical view would be that we should not bother with just
one of those billion dollar rules and spend the money instead on
saving 2 billion children from death by dehydration. ( not that 2
billion children do die of this each year ).
It's that old economic problem : we have limited resources. We have to
pick and choose what we're going to do with them.
Also, that $ 200,000 figure is not just what industry uses as it's
yardstick. It's also quite close to what the UK Govt uses for road
schemes ( 100,000 pounds, which at current exchange rates is within
spitting distance ).
The point is that we have to decide somehow how many of the resources
available to us will be used to save or prolong lives via accident
prevention, and how much on all the other things, like housing,
clothes, food, education, all of which in themselves also save and
prolong lives.
Whether $ 200,000 is the right number is up to you to decide : but you
do have to accept that there is a number at which further reduction of
risk in one area is increasing risk in other areas.

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Meanwhile Uncle Sam pays relatives of "wrongly" murdered Iraqui's and
Afghani's, $1,000 a head.

Apparently Uncle Sam still has a problem with racial equality.

Apparently you have a problem with economic reality. $ 200,000 is
roughly 6 years GNP per capita for an American. $ 1,000 isn't far off
6 years average GNP for an Iraqi or Afghani. In common law systems (
which both the US and the UK have, but neither Iraq nor Afghanistan do
to their loss ) the compensation for wrongful death is the loss of
future income to dependents.If , as you imply, compensation for
wrongful death of an Iraqi were set at $ 200,000 just how many
currently tolerated husbands and wives would find themselves looking
at the wrong end of a relative's AK 47 ?

Tim Worstall

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U.S. denies Iraqis compensation for civilian casualties

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4023027.html

"How much is an injury worth? How much is a life worth?" said one
official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "It all depends on the
value of a life in Iraq. The value of a life in Iraq is probably a lot
less than it would be in the U.S. or Britain."

Eyeball Kid

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:31 pm

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In article <FBmCb.59822$R9.2917@twister.socal.rr.com>, The Pretzel
<rold_gold@hotmail.com> wrote:

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"Hugh G. Rection" <not@chance.com> wrote in message
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It would be kind of funny if Dick Cheney suddenly showed up at a homeless
shelter to feed hungry people a pheasant dinner.
It would be even funnier to see that pompous asshole liar show up in
Afghanistan in the mountain ranges between said country and Pakkistan. Since
he enjoys hunting....

The image I had is of Cheney and his vampire friends, romping down the
streets of Baghdad in Hummvies, M-16s perched on their thighs, then
raising the weapons and firing onto sidewalks and shops, mowing down
those savage ragheads with gleeful abandon. After all, what makes a
smarmy, subhuman Muslim any different than an ordinary animal, eh,
Dickie?

Whenever our cognitive dissonance kicks in and leads us to deny that
the Bushies aren't anything but privileged, ruthless tyrants, a story
like this comes along and proves us wrong.

E. K.

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Free humor. Whenever you want. http://www.psmueller.com

"It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human
cloning to come out of that chamber."‹G.W. Bush, Wash. D.C., April 10, 2002

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he
makes and we should just support that."- Britany Spears, 9/2003

Andrew Lange

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:16 pm

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In article <llyCb.16482$aF2.1913132@news20.bellglobal.com>, Ian St. John says...

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Yes, they have. They are no longer under the tyrannical thumb of the brutal
(and now in custody) Saddam Hussein, and his regime of Baathist thuggery.

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They have only changed from their own oppressor to a foreign one.

This is the foreign oppressor that is protecting them from the revenge of
frustrated and out-of-power insurgents? The one giving them a better standard
of living than before the fall of theur brutal dictator?

The US isn't oppressing people in Iraq, Ian. Otherwise, the people of Tikrit
would have never given up Saddam Hussein.

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Foreign oppressors are worse than local ones in
most cases since they have less connection to the culture, people, or
future. America is demonstrating this.

Of course, Ian has no real knowledge of what the US is doing to win the hearts
and minds of the Iraqi people - only a few scattered facts that are filtered
through his angry anti-liberation prism.

Firsthand? The US has been in constant contact with Iraqis, islamic
specialists, historians, sociologists, and others who can assist us in using the
local customs, culture and traditions in offering advice on how they can
tranform from victims of brutality into a strong and healthy constitutional
democracy.

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As well, the incursion of a foreign
power always polarises a population and thus destabilizing.

'Course it always helps if the deposed despot is still in hiding, thus keeping
the liberated people in fear of reprisal should he regain power.

That ain't gonna happen now.

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The likely 'winner' in this will be the radical extremists.

No, the likely winner is the liberated Iraqi people, who are now free from
Saddam's iron fist.

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Iran is poised to win big
by dominating the local Shiites and gaining control, thus punishing Saudi
Arabia for backing America.

And Shi'a influence will be balanced by a constitutional structure which will
prevent one religious ideology from dominating all others in the political
process, thus putting pressure on Iranian anti-democratic forces to reform.

The Iraqi people are liberated. It's a scary thought for those uninterested in
seeing free moslems in the Middle East. But free they are, and they will
inspire others to be free as well.

- Andrew Langer

Any posts by Andrew Langer are his own, written by him, for his own
enjoyment (and the education of others). Unless expressly stated,
they represent his own views, and not those of any other individuals
or entities. He is not, nor has he ever been, paid to post here.

Vendicar Decarian

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:08 pm

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Monday evening saw violent protests across the Sunni Muslim belt, the
heartland of the ousted Baathist regime:

a.. Up to 1,000 students demonstrated against the "humiliating" capture of
Saddam Hussein at the university in Mosul;

b.. In Falluja, hundreds of residents rioted, seizing the offices of the
US-appointed mayor, witnesses told Reuters news agency. In the confusion,
gunmen opened fire at US troops and wounded one, the US military said. One
gunman was killed and at least two wounded in return fire;

c.. A gun battle also erupted in Ramadi, where about 750 people attended a
pro-Saddam rally. One US soldier was wounded while the Americans said they
had shot dead two gunmen and wounded two;

d.. And in Tikrit, about 700 people demonstrated in the city centre,
chanting "Saddam is in our hearts, Saddam is in our blood" as US soldiers
and Iraqi policemen yelled back "Saddam is in our jail", AP news agency
reports.
Protesters clutched old photographs of the captured former president or
pasted posters of him up on walls.

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