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| Rex... |
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Nightcrawler wrote:
[quote]"Rex"<rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOMAIN at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote in message news:hdk8a8$h4d$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
What's the connection between 9/11 and Iraq again? Last time I checked, bin Laden was no Iraqi, nor was Saddam a fan of his. Do
you seriously believe that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 ??
rest of crap snipped
It's called a "war on terrorism", idiot.
Wake up call: There were no freakin WMDs anywhere in Iraq, nor did[/quote]
Saddam sponsor 9/11. People from every country in the world including
your own protested when Bush announced his decision to attack Iraq.
Just why were you fucking up Iraq again?
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| Rex... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:58 am |
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[quote]Right on the money. You obtain a free society from within. You cannot
create a free people with outside intervention (nation building). If
any of you think Bush didn't know this going in you are wrong.
Freeing Iraq was the excuse to go in. It was all about control of the
2nd largest oil reserves in the world. Follow the money and you can
only come to that conclusion.
RT
[/quote]
I'm well aware of that. The other people here should at least accept
this- that the entire Iraq war with its human and economic cost was
based on a fucking lie.
It's easy to sit and play right-wing hawk when geography puts you a
couple of continents away from the people trying to attack you.
World War 2 was enough to quench the conquering ambitions of European
countries, they had casualties in the millions and experienced first
hand the horrors of war.
You guy have never had to face anything like a homeland invasion since
the war of 1812, so it's easy to talk about attacking countries who
can't hit back. (Oh and Pearl Harbor was a military target and doesn't
count)
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| vtcapo... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:27 am |
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On Nov 14, 7:44 am, Rex <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOM... at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote:
[quote]HVAC wrote:
Of course, using YOUR rules of engagement, we would
have never interfered in Europe during WW2 and the French,
Belgians, Russians, Poles, etc. would have just been left
to their own devices.
You guys didn't enter the war till you were directly attacked at Pearl
Harbor. The Battle of Britain was fought alone by the Brits, as was
Dunkirk. France fell because of sharing a common border with Germany,
the Maginot Line notwithstanding.
The Russians held out quite well defending their home turf against the
German army, which was ill equipped for the Russian winter.
The US' contribution came on the Pacific front against the
Japanese(since you had a direct beef with them), and the bombing raids
by the 8th Air Force on Germany from 1943-44 onwards.
The main contribution was in terms of supplies/weapons- since factories
on the US mainland had no threat of bomb attacks and could keep
producing to full capacity, and of course D-Day.
You were up against a powerful, technologically formidable
industrialized nation which could very well have attacked the US
homeland but for Hitler's idiocy in going after the Russians.
Most of the space program and advances in jet propulsion were due to the
work done by Nazi scientists, if they had produced these things early
on, history would have turned out differently.
How does that even compare to a piss poor Iraq headed by a small
dictator who never posed a threat? What was he gonna do, send ICBMs over
New York?
And if you're such champions of freedom, why not go after North
Korea(who have openly declared their fondness for nukes) or the military
junta in Burma or the LTTE in Sri Lanka? Oh, I forgot, none of these
places have any oil.
[/quote]
Rex we are talking to flag waving idiots that make me ashamed to be an
American. They still believe Vietnam was a noble cause. 58K +
Americans died in vain and over a million Vietnamese because of
Johnson’s lie concerning the Gulf of Tonkin.
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| HVAC... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:12 am |
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"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOMAIN at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote in message
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[quote]
Sorry for the long post, but well, Iraq should have been left alone.
Neither is 'freeing Iraqi people' a valid reason to invade If any country
poses a threat to the world, that would be Pakistan- every damn terrorist
activity can be traced back there. But guess whose government goes on
giving them 'aid' by the billions? Go figure.
[/quote]
Of course, using YOUR rules of engagement, we would
have never interfered in Europe during WW2 and the French,
Belgians, Russians, Poles, etc. would have just been left
to their own devices.
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| Rex... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:56 am |
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HVAC wrote:
[quote]
Of course, using YOUR rules of engagement, we would
have never interfered in Europe during WW2 and the French,
Belgians, Russians, Poles, etc. would have just been left
to their own devices.
You guys didn't enter the war till you were directly attacked at Pearl[/quote]
Harbor. The Battle of Britain was fought alone by the Brits, as was
Dunkirk. France fell because of sharing a common border with Germany,
the Maginot Line notwithstanding.
The Russians held out quite well defending their home turf against the
German army, which was ill equipped for the Russian winter.
The US' contribution came on the Pacific front against the
Japanese(since you had a direct beef with them), and the bombing raids
by the 8th Air Force on Germany from 1943-44 onwards.
The main contribution was in terms of supplies/weapons- since factories
on the US mainland had no threat of bomb attacks and could keep
producing to full capacity, and of course D-Day.
You were up against a powerful, technologically formidable
industrialized nation which could very well have attacked the US
homeland but for Hitler's idiocy in going after the Russians.
Most of the space program and advances in jet propulsion were due to the
work done by Nazi scientists, if they had produced these things early
on, history would have turned out differently.
How does that even compare to a piss poor Iraq headed by a small
dictator who never posed a threat? What was he gonna do, send ICBMs over
New York?
And if you're such champions of freedom, why not go after North
Korea(who have openly declared their fondness for nukes) or the military
junta in Burma or the LTTE in Sri Lanka? Oh, I forgot, none of these
places have any oil. |
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| HVAC... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:21 am |
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"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOMAIN at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote in message
news:hdm8jt$emg$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
[quote]HVAC wrote:
Of course, using YOUR rules of engagement, we would
have never interfered in Europe during WW2 and the French,
Belgians, Russians, Poles, etc. would have just been left
to their own devices.
You guys didn't enter the war till you were directly attacked at Pearl
Harbor. The Battle of Britain was fought alone by the Brits, as was
Dunkirk. France fell because of sharing a common border with Germany, the
Maginot Line notwithstanding.
[/quote]
No historian would argue that without the US involvement,
ALL of Europe would have fallen to Germany and the Axis
powers. The United States was looking out for it's own interests
in joining the Europeon conflict because we would be facing a
United Nazi republic in Europe right about now if we hadn't intervened.
[quote]The Russians held out quite well defending their home turf against the
German army, which was ill equipped for the Russian winter.
[/quote]
The Russians only had success once the US and the allies had opened
up a second front in the west. If Neville Chaimberlain had his way,
Germany would have been free to throw it's entire weight against
Russia and had the supplies to do it. Russia would have crumbled.
[quote]The US' contribution came on the Pacific front against the Japanese(since
you had a direct beef with them), and the bombing raids by the 8th Air
Force on Germany from 1943-44 onwards.
The main contribution was in terms of supplies/weapons- since factories on
the US mainland had no threat of bomb attacks and could keep producing to
full capacity, and of course D-Day.
You were up against a powerful, technologically formidable industrialized
nation which could very well have attacked the US homeland but for
Hitler's idiocy in going after the Russians.
[/quote]
Hitler would have found the US homeland an inhospitable target.
[quote]Most of the space program and advances in jet propulsion were due to the
work done by Nazi scientists, if they had produced these things early on,
history would have turned out differently.
[/quote]
OK.
[quote]How does that even compare to a piss poor Iraq headed by a small dictator
who never posed a threat? What was he gonna do, send ICBMs over New York?
[/quote]
Why do that? All he had to do was keep doing what he had been doing.
Supporting terrorists with cash payments to suicide bomber's families,
continued violations of the treaty ending the 1st Gulf war, targeting
an ex-president of the US for assassination, continued oppression of
the Kurds including sliming them with various chemical weapons attacks,
and generally destabilizing the area.
[quote]And if you're such champions of freedom, why not go after North Korea(who
have openly declared their fondness for nukes)
[/quote]
N. Korea is a far different target. The fact that they have a nuke adds
to their growing threat but even with their conventional weapons massed
along the border, they could reduce Seoul to rubble in hours.
With a metropolitan population of over 20 million, the north holds
the south hostage. Through proxy, they hold US hostage.
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:14 am |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:32 pm |
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What's the SECONDARY INFLATIONARY PRICE, GOOFYSHIT? lmfjao!
Something else you MADE UP and NEVER EXPLAIN?
Saul Levy
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:36:47 -0800 (PST), BradGuth
<bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Nothing concerns a Republican, as long as it's not their butt or those
butts of their family as having to pay the ultimate or even impacted
by the secondary inflationary price.
~ BG[/quote] |
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| HVAC... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:39 pm |
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"vtcapo" <vtcapo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d80bf9ba-dfa2-47f7-b92c-1768ca2aa2c6 at (no spam) r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Rex we are talking to flag waving idiots that make me ashamed to be an
American.
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Shall we all hide our flags so you won't be offended
when we wave them? I feel nothing but contempt and
pity when I see Americans that hate America.
They still believe Vietnam was a noble cause. 58K +
Americans died in vain
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I had good friends, lifelong friends, that died in
Vietnam. Not even ONE died in vain.
and over a million Vietnamese because of
Johnson’s lie concerning the Gulf of Tonkin.
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We were in Vietnam long before Tonkin.
Perhaps it was Kennedy's impassioned, "Ask not..."
speech that was the true lie?
Why? Because when we "did for our country", all we
got in return was our country turning it's back to us.
But I'd do it again.
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| vtcapo... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:57 pm |
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On Nov 14, 12:39 pm, "HVAC" <harlowcampb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]"vtcapo" <vtc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d80bf9ba-dfa2-47f7-b92c-1768ca2aa2c6 at (no spam) r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Rex we are talking to flag waving idiots that make me ashamed to be an
American.
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Shall we all hide our flags so you won't be offended
when we wave them? I feel nothing but contempt and
pity when I see Americans that hate America.
[/quote]
I don't hate America. I hate stupid Americans who give America a bad
name.
[quote]They still believe Vietnam was a noble cause. 58K +
Americans died in vain
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I had good friends, lifelong friends, that died in
Vietnam. Not even ONE died in vain.
[/quote]
Anyone who dies because he or she was led to believe he was fighting
for an honorable cause and that cause turns out to be a lie, DIED IN
VAIN. Anyone dieing so others (MIC) can profit while not having an
impact on the safety or the security of the homeland is DIEING IN
VAIN.
Sounds like deja vu all over again with Iraq and Afghanistan......
[quote]and over a million Vietnamese because of
Johnson’s lie concerning the Gulf of Tonkin.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
We were in Vietnam long before Tonkin.
Perhaps it was Kennedy's impassioned, "Ask not..."
speech that was the true lie?
[/quote]
Yeah and if Kennedy hadn't been assassinated we wouldn't have been
there..
[quote]
Why? Because when we "did for our country", all we
got in return was our country turning it's back to us.
[/quote]
That was unfortunate but don't blame me blame the government....
[quote]But I'd do it again.
[/quote]
Knowing what you know about Vietnam today you would do it again.....
Now you know why we are loathed around the world. You are a world-
class ass with no hope of recovery.
[quote]Fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing.
[/quote]
Fate called on you and 58K+ Americans made the wrong choice.
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| vtcapo... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:11 pm |
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On Nov 14, 2:22 pm, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde... at (no spam) dirtcheap.net> wrote:
[quote]"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOM... at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote in messagenews:hdm8jt$emg$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
You guys didn't enter the war till you were directly attacked at Pearl Harbor. The Battle of Britain was fought alone by the
Brits, as was Dunkirk. France fell because of sharing a common border with Germany, the Maginot Line notwithstanding.
Wrong again. Ever hear of the Flying Tigers? Did you know that the
U.S. provided pilots and airplanes for Britland before Pearl Harbor?
This was all hush, hush, though, since it is illegal for U.S. citizens to
fight under another flag (at the time).
Who were the Flying Tigers aiding? It wasn't Britland, was it? No,
that couldn't be...
Oh, and our pilots were in Great Britain shooting down Luftwaffe
planes, too.
[/quote]
Who are you kidding, the Flying Tiger were all volunteers and so were
the ones that flew for the RAF. Britain needed at that time not just
arms and a few volunteers it needed a full scale commitment.
Something we didn't give them until the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor.
Read your fucking history books....
RT
PS Our procrastination could have cost the Brits their island. |
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| vtcapo... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:16 pm |
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On Nov 14, 4:33 pm, "Hagar" <hs... at (no spam) surewest.net> wrote:
[quote]"vtcapo" <vtc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d80bf9ba-dfa2-47f7-b92c-1768ca2aa2c6 at (no spam) r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 7:44 am, Rex <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOM... at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote:
HVAC wrote:
Of course, using YOUR rules of engagement, we would
have never interfered in Europe during WW2 and the French,
Belgians, Russians, Poles, etc. would have just been left
to their own devices.
You guys didn't enter the war till you were directly attacked at Pearl
Harbor. The Battle of Britain was fought alone by the Brits, as was
Dunkirk. France fell because of sharing a common border with Germany,
the Maginot Line notwithstanding.
The Russians held out quite well defending their home turf against the
German army, which was ill equipped for the Russian winter.
The US' contribution came on the Pacific front against the
Japanese(since you had a direct beef with them), and the bombing raids
by the 8th Air Force on Germany from 1943-44 onwards.
The main contribution was in terms of supplies/weapons- since factories
on the US mainland had no threat of bomb attacks and could keep
producing to full capacity, and of course D-Day.
You were up against a powerful, technologically formidable
industrialized nation which could very well have attacked the US
homeland but for Hitler's idiocy in going after the Russians.
Most of the space program and advances in jet propulsion were due to the
work done by Nazi scientists, if they had produced these things early
on, history would have turned out differently.
How does that even compare to a piss poor Iraq headed by a small
dictator who never posed a threat? What was he gonna do, send ICBMs over
New York?
And if you're such champions of freedom, why not go after North
Korea(who have openly declared their fondness for nukes) or the military
junta in Burma or the LTTE in Sri Lanka? Oh, I forgot, none of these
places have any oil.
Rex we are talking to flag waving idiots that make me ashamed to be an
American. They still believe Vietnam was a noble cause. 58K +
Americans died in vain and over a million Vietnamese because of
Johnson’s lie concerning the Gulf of Tonkin.
RT
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You sorry-ass piss ant ... who got us into the Viet Nam war ??
Your hero John F. Kennedy - Democrat, 6- 63.
Johnson perpetuated it - Democrat, 63 - 69
Nixon inherited the Democrat's fucked up mess, 69 - 73.
Ford ends it - Republican 73 - 75.
But, you are the "Spinmeisters" ... tell it any way you want,
you sissy.
[/quote]
You are a fucking Bozo. Nixon got elected by promising to end the war
and escalated it. Frankly who gives a damn who or what party led us
down that road. The war was a lie plain and simple and many a
politician has blood on their hands.
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| Nightcrawler... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:16 pm |
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"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOMAIN at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote in message news:hdlmnb$33c$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
[quote]Wake up call: There were no freakin WMDs anywhere in Iraq, nor did Saddam sponsor 9/11. People from every country in the world
including your own protested when Bush announced his decision to attack Iraq.
Just why were you fucking up Iraq again?
[/quote]
That is factually incorrect. There were WMD's found. Though, for some
reason everyone on the left was looking for massive store rooms of the
crap, yet forget that Hussein was running a shell game until he got most
of the crap off-loaded into Syria/hidden. Yes, the Russians helped the
Iraqi's move most of the crap and someday, when you get clearance,
you might be able to look at the satellite photos of the event.
9/11 doesn't have squat to do with anything other than it was the slap
upside the head that compelled most right thinking individuals to not
look the other way in regards to terrorist supporting countries. Iraq
supported terrorist all over the world. That is a known fact. There is
compelling evidence that Iraq aided and directly helped with many
terrorist activities in the United States. Just because YOU don't know
about them does not mean that the events did not happen.
I suspect that you forgot the words that were spoken. That not all
efforts to stop terrorism will be front page news, nor will they ever
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| Nightcrawler... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:22 pm |
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"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOMAIN at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote in message news:hdm8jt$emg$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
[quote]You guys didn't enter the war till you were directly attacked at Pearl Harbor. The Battle of Britain was fought alone by the
Brits, as was Dunkirk. France fell because of sharing a common border with Germany, the Maginot Line notwithstanding.
[/quote]
Wrong again. Ever hear of the Flying Tigers? Did you know that the
U.S. provided pilots and airplanes for Britland before Pearl Harbor?
This was all hush, hush, though, since it is illegal for U.S. citizens to
fight under another flag (at the time).
Who were the Flying Tigers aiding? It wasn't Britland, was it? No,
that couldn't be...
Oh, and our pilots were in Great Britain shooting down Luftwaffe
planes, too. |
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| Hagar... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:33 pm |
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"vtcapo" <vtcapo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 7:44 am, Rex <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOM... at (no spam) liam.ur> wrote:
[quote]HVAC wrote:
Of course, using YOUR rules of engagement, we would
have never interfered in Europe during WW2 and the French,
Belgians, Russians, Poles, etc. would have just been left
to their own devices.
You guys didn't enter the war till you were directly attacked at Pearl
Harbor. The Battle of Britain was fought alone by the Brits, as was
Dunkirk. France fell because of sharing a common border with Germany,
the Maginot Line notwithstanding.
The Russians held out quite well defending their home turf against the
German army, which was ill equipped for the Russian winter.
The US' contribution came on the Pacific front against the
Japanese(since you had a direct beef with them), and the bombing raids
by the 8th Air Force on Germany from 1943-44 onwards.
The main contribution was in terms of supplies/weapons- since factories
on the US mainland had no threat of bomb attacks and could keep
producing to full capacity, and of course D-Day.
You were up against a powerful, technologically formidable
industrialized nation which could very well have attacked the US
homeland but for Hitler's idiocy in going after the Russians.
Most of the space program and advances in jet propulsion were due to the
work done by Nazi scientists, if they had produced these things early
on, history would have turned out differently.
How does that even compare to a piss poor Iraq headed by a small
dictator who never posed a threat? What was he gonna do, send ICBMs over
New York?
And if you're such champions of freedom, why not go after North
Korea(who have openly declared their fondness for nukes) or the military
junta in Burma or the LTTE in Sri Lanka? Oh, I forgot, none of these
places have any oil.
[/quote]
Rex we are talking to flag waving idiots that make me ashamed to be an
American. They still believe Vietnam was a noble cause. 58K +
Americans died in vain and over a million Vietnamese because of
Johnson’s lie concerning the Gulf of Tonkin.
RT
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You sorry-ass piss ant ... who got us into the Viet Nam war ??
Your hero John F. Kennedy - Democrat, 6- 63.
Johnson perpetuated it - Democrat, 63 - 69
Nixon inherited the Democrat's fucked up mess, 69 - 73.
Ford ends it - Republican 73 - 75.
But, you are the "Spinmeisters" ... tell it any way you want,
you sissy. |
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