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November 6 2009
Australian PM Warns Skeptics 'are too 'dangerous to ignore' And Are 'holding
the world to ransom' -
Climate Depot Responds
'Yes, we plead guilty to promoting 'inaction' -- 'Skeptics will proudly
celebrate the collapse of Copenhagen Treaty'
Australian Prime Minister KRudd spewed out a rhetorical barrage on climate
skeptics worldwide.
Climate Depot has undertaken a point by point rebuttal to Rudd's claims.
Rudd Claim:
Skeptics are "powerful enough to threaten a deal on global climate change
both in Copenhagen and beyond."
Climate Depot Response:
Yes, skepticism, the foundation of science, is and always has been strong
enough to derail lavishly funded and politically motivated science based on
wildly speculative climate model "predictions" and distortions of past
climate records. A "scientifically meaningless" domestic carbon trading or
international treaties will not impact global climate in any detectable
ways, but will have huge human impacts.
Rudd Claim:
Skeptics "constitute a powerful global force for inaction."
Climate Depot Response:
On the contrary, skeptics constitute a powerful force for scientific truth
and morality based vibrant energy expansion to the developing world's poor.
To the extent that we can prevent "scientifically meaningless" climate
treaties and regulations from passing, then yes, we plead guilty to
promoting "inaction." As former Thatcher science advisor Lord Christopher
Monckton has said: "Climate change is a non-problem. The right answer to a
non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing."
Rudd Claim:
"Climate skeptics are quite literally holding the world to ransom."
Climate Depot Response:
Reality check Mr. Rudd. Science, economics and reality are holding man-made
global warming fear promoters like Rudd to ransom. It must be frustrating
Mr. Rudd to have once believed you could hoodwink the people of your nation
and the world to believe in climate fears and your purely symbolic
"solutions." Polling data from the U.S., the UK, Canada and your Australia
show the public growing more skeptical. (See: Polls: 'More Americans believe
in haunted houses than man-made global warming' - 37% vs. 36% ) The only
"ransom" involved in this debate is the financial demands placed on
countries to redistribute money based on collapsing climate fears. See:
Reparations: Africa seeks climate change cash...demands billions in
compensation for 'damage caused by global warming' & Global Carbon Tax Urged
at UN Climate Conference & 'Controlling climate? More like controlling
humans': Beware of 'unprecedented transfer of wealth, power and control to
domestic and global governance'
Rudd Claim:
Our "children's fate - and our grandchildren's fate - will lie entirely with
skeptics' opposition.
Climate Depot Response:
Nice maudlin touch, Mr. Rudd. The fact is children are probably the only
ones left that you and your climate fear promoting friends can convince that
a climate catastrophe is just around the corner and you and your colleagues
are their saviors. You are in luck, Mr. Rudd. Climate Depot takes full
responsibility for the fate of your children and grandchildren from any
future man-made climate catastrophe. Climate Depot can and will gladly take
public responsibility for the children and future grandchildren of our
planet for "doing nothing" about climate. So there, problem solved.
Rudd Claim:
"The legion of climate change skeptics are active across the world..."
Climate Depot Response:
Yes, you are very correct on this point Mr. Rudd. Scientists dissenting from
silly and baseless man-made global warming fears are literally standing up
around the world - from New Zealand to Canada to Brazil to Mexico to Sweden
to South Africa to Japan to Portugal and everywhere in between. See: 2009
U.S. Senate Report: 700 Plus Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Warming Claims
and see: 'Series of inconvenient developments for promoters of man-made
global warming fears continue unabated'
The shock to you Mr. Rudd is that even the mainstream media is not
abandoning man-made climate fears. See: Losing Their Religion: 2009
officially declared year the media lost their faith in man-made global
warming fears
Rudd Claim:
"The clock is ticking for the planet, but the climate change skeptics simply
do not care.
Climate Depot Response:
What clock is "ticking?" The one the UN warned of a ten year tipping point
in 1989? See: U.N. Warning of 10-Year 'Climate Tipping Point' Began in 1989
In addition, NASA's James Hansen and former Vice President Al Gore started
their comical "tipping point" clocks a few years ago, while Prince Charles
claimed a 96-month tipping point in July 2009! Even more absurd, the UN
chief further shortened the "tipping point," warning of 'incalculable'
suffering without climate deal in December 2009! The question looms: Would
you buy a used car from a salesman using such low-brow tactics, let alone,
buy into man-made climate fear claims? Mr. Rudd, you must believe the public
to be nothing more than a bunch of rubes if you want them to believe your
climate tripe.
Rudd Claim:
"The vested interests at work are simply too great."
Climate Depot Response:
What "vested interests?" You are not claiming that skeptics have some sort
of funding that is in any way comparable to the tens of billions spent
promoting climate fears, are you? See: Gore's path to become the first
'Carbon Billionaire' and see: The Global Warming Science Machine: $79
Billion and Counting
Rudd Claim:
Skeptics "are a political attempt to subvert what is now a longstanding
scientific consensus..."
Climate Depot Response:
"Longstanding scientific consensus?" Surely you jest. Man-made global
warming fears did not come in widespread vogue until the late 1980's. In
case you missed it, many of today's warmers were promoting global cooling as
late as 1970's. See: Climate Depot's Factsheet on 1970s Coming 'Ice Age'
Claims: 'Fears of a coming ice age, showed up in peer-reviewed literature,
at scientific conferences, by prominent scientists and throughout the media'
The man-made global warming hypothesis is now failing in the scientific
community. See: UK Astrophysicist: 'The notion that CO2 warms world has come
to a dead end': They are trying to 'prop up a 'scientific theory' that has
run out of so called facts' and see: UN IPCC Scientist Declares 'A Death
Spiral for Climate Alarmism' and see: New Report: UN Scientists Speak Out On
Global Warming -- As Skeptics!
South African UN Scientist Dr. Will Alexander wrote in March 2009, "'The
whole climate change issue is about to fall apart...Heads will roll!" UK
scientist Dr. David Bellamy once believed man-made climate fears, but has
since reversed his views and become a skeptic. "The science has, quite
simply, gone awry. In fact, it's not even science any more, it's
anti-science, Bellamy said in November 2008.
The news is so grim for man-made climate fear activists that they are
already looking for the next environmental scare to hype! See: AGW RIP? Is
It Time for Next Eco-Scare Already? Gore's producer Laure David touts
plastic crisis: 'Plastic waste is in some ways more alarming for us humans
than global warming' - July 31, 2009 & UK Green Party: 'There exists a more
serious crisis than the 'CO2 crisis': the oxygen levels are dropping and the
human activity has decreased them by 1/3 or ½'
Rudd Claim:
The consensus is supported by "4,000 scientists appointed by governments
from virtually every country in the world."
Climate Depot Response:
Why not make up higher numbers? Why not just claim 50,000 UN scientists
support the "consensus?" What silliness.
Reality Check: 2009 U.S. Senate Minority Report of dissenting scientists has
pushed the total to over 700 skeptical international scientists - a dramatic
increase from the original 650 scientists featured in the initial December
11, 2008 release. The 59 additional scientists added to the 255-page Senate
Minority report since the initial release 13 ½ weeks ago represents an
average of over four skeptical scientists a week. The over 700 dissenting
scientists are now more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who
authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
See: Team of Scientists' Open Letter To U.S. Senators: 'Claim of consensus
is fake'
Plus UN scientists speak out - against the climate fear claims! New Report:
UN Scientists Speak Out On Global Warming -- As Skeptics!
Here is a very small sampling of what current and former UN scientists have
to say about the UN and its scientific methods.
Warming fears are the "worst scientific scandal in the history...When people
come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and
scientists." - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an
award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
"The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others.
It doesn't have open minds... I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize
has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not
geologists." - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University
and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.
"Temperature measurements show that the [climate model-predicted
mid-troposphere] hot zone is non-existent. This is more than sufficient to
invalidate global climate models and projections made with them!"- UN IPCC
Scientist Dr. Steven M. Japar, a PhD atmospheric chemist who was part of
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Second (1995) and Third
(2001) Assessment Reports, and has authored 83 peer-reviewed publications
and in the areas of climate change, atmospheric chemistry, air pollutions
and vehicle emissions.
"I was at the table with three Europeans, and we were having lunch. And they
were talking about their role as lead authors. And they were talking about
how they were trying to make the report so dramatic that the United States
would just have to sign that Kyoto Protocol," Christy told CNN on May 2,
2007. - Alabama State Climatologist Dr. John Christy of the University of
Alabama in Huntsville, served as a UN IPCC lead author in 2001 for the 3rd
assessment report and detailed how he personally witnessed UN scientists
attempting to distort the science for political purposes.
"Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly
found myself solidly in the skeptic camp...Climate models can at best be
useful for explaining climate changes after the fact." - Meteorologist Hajo
Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a
skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
"The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural
circulation between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment
of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the
way in which the Summaries have distorted the science." - South African
Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC
co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.
"After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing
skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet." - Climate
statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of
forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's
Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly
Weather Review.
Rudd Claim:
Skeptic "attempt to twist the agreed science in the direction of a
predetermined political agenda to kill climate change action."
Climate Depot Response:
Very interesting choice of words - "agreed science" The "science" of
man-made global warming fears is literally the best science politics can
manufacture. See New Report: UN Scientists Speak Out On Global Warming -- As
Skeptics! The problem, Mr. Rudd, is that your view of "agreed science" is
collapsing in real world data, peer-reviewed studies and a growing number of
dissenting scientists. See: 'Series of inconvenient developments for
promoters of man-made global warming fears continue unabated'
Rudd Claim:
"It reminds me of the efforts of the smoking lobby decades ago as they tried
for years to politically subvert by so-called scientific means that there
was any link between smoking and lung cancer."
Climate Depot Response:
Great analogy Mr. Rudd! Climate Depot agrees, the smoking analogy is very
apt. But alas, it is the promoters of man-made climate fears that are
mimicking the tobacco lobbyists actions.
See: Climate Fear Promoters mimic tobacco industry tactics Excerpt: This
[current climate fear promoting] strategy provides a positive "pro-science"
public stance that masks the ignominious activity of institutional and
professional persecution of numerous scientists whose honest work casts
legitimate doubt upon the more alarmist projections of the supposed
"consensus." Like the tobacco industry, this campaign has: "Manufactured
uncertainty and fear by stridently proclaiming certainty and consensus based
on dubious and uncertain modeled results predicting disastrous consequences
of a warmer climate."
Rudd Claim:
"What absolute political cowardice" [on the part of skeptics].
Climate Depot Response:
Cowardice? Scientists have literally risked their careers to go against
today's politically motivated "consensus." On the contrary, skeptics are
courageous to wage a battle against the "agree science" you take as a matter
of faith. See: EPA further muzzles global warming skeptic Dr. Alan Carlin -
August 25, 2009 & Other climate fear promoters are using threats and
intimidation to silence the climate debate. See: 'Execute' Skeptics! Shock
Call To Action: 'At what point do we jail or execute global warming
deniers' -- 'Shouldn't we start punishing them now?' - June 3, 2009
Rudd Claim:
"What an absolute failure of logic [by skeptics]."
Climate Depot Response:
Logic? Let's review Mr. Rudd. You are lamenting the fact that skeptics are
opposed to a "scientifically meaningless" climate "solution" process that
could condemn the estimated 1.6 billion energy impoverished people in the
developing world to a continued nasty brutish and short existence based on
collapsing scientific claims. See: India: 'It is morally wrong for us to
reduce emissions when 40% of Indians do not have access to electricity'
Skeptics promote a vibrant energy policy that promotes development and
expands energy around the globe. The only people "pitching a do-nothing
approach to climate change" are the UN and the U.S. Congress. Why else would
the Kyoto Protocol not even have a measurable impact on global temps
(assuming they were correct on the science ) and it was fully enacted?
It is the U.S. Congress and the "scientifically meaningless" Waxman-Markey
bill that even Obama's EPA admits will not have a measurable impact on
global Co2 levels, let alone any measurable or detectable impact on global
temperatures. The man-made climate fear promoters have been "pitching a
do-nothing approach to climate change..." since the movement's launch in
1988 by consistently promoting purely symbolic "solutions" to global
warming. Mr. Rudd, you claim that carbon trading and UN treaties are some
sort of an "insurance" policy against global warming. But a simple question
to ask is: Would you purchase fire insurance on your home that had a huge up
front premium for virtually no payout if you home burned down? If you
answered YES to such an "insurance" policy, then Congress and the UN has a
deal for you with their cap-and-trade and climate legislation.
If we did actually face a man-made climate catastrophe and the "solutions"
of the UN and Congress were our only hope, we would all be DOOMED!
Rudd Claim:
Skeptics "are too dangerous to be ignored"
Climate Depot Response:
Fully agree with you Mr. Rudd. Scientific truth, reality based economics are
always "dangerous" to climate charlatans peddling their wares of a coming
climate catastrophe. It used to be those who stood on street corners warning
of the end times were thought of as nutcases, now those same views are held
by world leaders. It is sad to see "climate astrology" replace actual
science. See: Obama's 'Climate Astrologer': Energy Sec. Chu claims he knows
'what the future will be 100 years from now': 'Shouldn't Chu be touting
these scary predictions of the year 2100 on a boardwalk with a full deck of
Tarot Cards? Sadly Mr. Rudd, it is you and your fellow climate alarm
promoters that are touting faith based science.
Rudd Claim:
"The danger skeptics pose is this - by collapsing political momentum towards
national and global action on climate change, they collapse global political
will to act at all. They are the stick that gets stuck in the wheel, that
despite its size may yet bring the train to a complete stop."
Climate Depot Response:
We plead guilty Mr. Rudd! Our goal is simple: To bring the train to a
complete stop. You did figure us out correctly on that point.
Rudd Claim:
"Skeptics are well resourced and well represented by political conservatives
in many, many countries."
Climate Depot Response:
Wrong again, Mr. Rudd. Politically left scientists and environmental
activists are now dissenting from climate fears in growing numbers. See:
Politically Left Scientists Now Rejecting Climate Fears - Jan. 2009
Rudd Claim: "This brigade of do-nothing climate change skeptics are
dangerous because if they succeed, then it is all of us who will suffer."
Climate Depot Response:
Yes, scientific truth, economic reality and political realism are always
"dangerous" to politically and ideologically motivated climate fear
promoters. As for "suffering" from failure to "act", please explain how UN
treaties and carbon trading "save the planet?" Even the Washington Post
understands climate reality. See: Wash. Post's Moment of Clarity: 'Carbon
emissions will not be reduced by international bureaucrats sitting in a room
and signing a piece of paper' - July 14, 2009
Rudd Claim:
"Their aim is not to convince every person on earth of the follies of acting
on climate change. Their aim is to erode just enough of the political will
that action becomes impossible."
Climate Depot Response:
Actually Mr. Rudd, the more messrs Gore, Kerry, Brown, Obama, and yourself
speak, the more the public grows skeptical. So you and your colleagues have
been a huge help in helping to spread skepticism and expand opposition to
silly and economically destructive global climate treaties.
Rudd Claim:
"If Copenhagen does not deliver the outcome we so urgently need, no
individual climate change skeptic will be responsible, but each of them will
have played their part."
Climate Depot Response:
Goody! Let us hope Copenhagen does not deliver! For the sake of the planet
and its inhabitants. Skeptics will proudly celebrate the collapse of
Copenhagen and do so knowing our children and grandchildren will be better
off. Yes, our children and grandchildren will be much better off without a
UN body that uses used-car salesman tactics dictating meaningless climate
"action."
Rudd Claim:
"In this debate the climate change skeptics have erected an intellectual
house of cards based on one simple premise: that the cost of not acting is
nothing."
Climate Depot Response:
Actually, you have your logic reversed Mr. Rudd. The cost of doing
"something" as defined by the U.S. Congress and the UN achieves "nothing" in
results. It is all economic pain for no climate gain. At best under UN
climate treaties, the world accomplishes "nothing" as far as climate goes,
but we risk a neo-colonialism of Western nations imposing regulations on
impoverished developing nations that can only be called immoral. See:
Flashback 2002: U.S. Environmentalist Laments Introduction of Electricity in
Africa; Flashback 2002: Jerry Brown says 'it's not viable' for poverty
stricken developing world to emulate prosperity of U.S.' Ugandan Activist:
'African life span is lower than it was in U.S. and Europe 100 years ago.
But Africans told we shouldn't develop' because wealthy Western nations are
'worried about global warming': Excerpt: 'Telling Africans they can't have
electricity and economic development - is immoral'; Flashback 2003: S.
African Activist: Poor countries should just say: 'Go to hell' to Wealthy
Western Nations: 'If you don't want us to fill in our wetlands, then you
bomb your big cities like Washington, a third of Holland and Rotterdam and
so on, and restore them to being swamps'; Flashback 2002: UN Earth Summit's
Failure Called 'Good Thing' For Poor Nations: Excerpt: The first world
became rich without the IMFs and World Banks, and the less of them that are
around, the more likely the Third World is to do the same."; It is a moral
issue! - 'People cannot cook'...Chad's Global Warming Inspired Ban on
Charcoal leads to 'Desperate' Families! - January 16, 2009
Poor Kenyans rebel as UK grocery store's "carbon friendly" policies may stop
food exports; India: 'It is morally wrong for us to reduce emissions when
40% of Indians do not have access to electricity'
Report: 'Green, UN, rich nation and African elites impose deadly
anti-development colonialism' - June 8, 2009; Greenpeace Leader: There is
urgent need for the suppression of economic growth in U.S...'Lifestyle of
the rich in the world is not a sustainable model' - August 20, 2009;
Flashback 2002: Average American Lifestyle Called "Total Bull---t" by
Environmentalist - Excerpt: 'If anyone in a developing country looks to the
U.S. and wants a lifestyle like the average American--it's total bull---t!';
Flashback 2000: Actor Chevy Chase Says 'Socialism Works' -- 'Cuba might
prove that'; Black clergymen protest Robert Redford 'link his
environmentalism to racism'; Obama Advisor Warren Buffett 'repeats criticism
of cap and trade, saying it would be a huge, regressive tax'
Rudd Claim:
"Skeptics claim that the cost of not acting is nothing."
Climate Depot Response:
Wrong again. Skeptics claim that RESULT of "acting" is nothing in terms of
climate results.
Rudd Claim:
"Their skepticism is in fact radical in its riskiness and recklessness. By
deliberately undermining and eroding the capacity to achieve both domestic
and international action on climate change the skeptics are attempting to
force the world to take the single most reckless bet in our long history."
Climate Depot Response:
Mr. Rudd, you repeat yourself ad nauseum. There is no "reckless" bet. The
way forward is already happening. Improving technologies, expanding energy
and growing economies in the developing world will improve the global
environment more than any UN treaty or domestic carbon trading ever
conceivably could.
Rudd Claim:
"Skeptics are doing so in the total absence of any genuine body of
evidence."
Climate Depot Response:
Oh please Mr. Rudd. Here is but a sampling of the latest scientific studies
and real world data that are challenging your politically motivated science
views. See: 'Series of inconvenient developments for promoters of man-made
global warming fears continue unabated'
Rudd Claim:
"The logic of these skeptics belongs in a casino, not a science lab, and not
in the ranks of any responsible government...their prescription for inaction
has all the legitimacy of a roulette wheel."
Climate Depot Response:
The casino analogy is apt. People are being told that we must enact a new UN
climate treaty or face certain doom. The problem is the casino is run by the
UN and it is loaded with corruption. (See: Internal Report Says U.N. Climate
Agency Rife With Bad Practices - Fox News - December 4, 2008 )The UN casino
pit bosses are offering a sucker bet. Put all your money on a "climate
treaty" or "carbon trading" and you will be allowed to live. Don't do it and
you will face bodily harm and loss of property. It's an offer you can't
refuse. See: La Cosa Climate: Commerce Sec. Warns: Americans Need 'To Pay'
Or Face Mother Nature's Wrath -- Pay up or face 'floods, droughts and rising
sea levels': An offer you can't refuse -- Pay up or world faces a
'catastrophe'
Congressional Weather-Makers: 'Climate Astrologer' Boxer warns of 'droughts,
floods, fires, loss of species' -- if Senate fails to pass climate bill
What UN casino is not telling patrons is that the "climate treaty" bet is
nothing more than pure symbolism that could harm the poorest of residents.
People are wising up, gambling with the UN is not a winning bet.
Rudd Claim:
"You are betting our jobs, our houses, our farms, our reefs, our economy and
our future on an intuition - on a gut feeling; on a political prejudice you
have about science...You've got to know when to fold 'em - and for the
skeptics, that time has come.
Climate Depot Response:
Aha, yes, the time to fold has arrived. Here is a very small sampling of the
current reality you want to deny Mr. Rudd: See: 'Series of inconvenient
developments for promoters of man-made global warming fears continue
unabated' and 'Dramatic acceleration of developments against the claims of a
so-called 'consensus.'
UN Fears (More) Global Cooling Commeth! IPCC Scientist Warns UN: We may be
about to enter 'one or even 2 decades during which temps cool'
'Sun Sleeps': Danish Scientist declares 'global warming has stopped and a
cooling is beginning...enjoy global warming while it lasts'
Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not
catastrophic global warming' : 'Warming had a natural origin...CO2 is 'not
guilty'
At long last Mr. Rudd, have you no shame?
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/3689/Australian-PM-warns-skeptics-are-too-dangerous-to-ignore-and-are-holding-the-world-to-ransom--Climate-Depot-Responds
Warmest Regards
Bon z0
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville |
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