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| Sound of Trumpet... |
 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:36 am |
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http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Just listened to Polly Toynbee on Radio 4 'Sunday' programme. She is
the new president of the National Secular Society and HATES the idea
that there is a God. She sees herself as being involved in a struggle
of Reason against Superstition, and is a great believer in autonomy,
the right to die, abortion rights, and deplores the influence of the
churches in society, which she seems to think is very great. Shame it
wasn't great enough to stop Blair's illegal war in Iraq when the
Catholic, Anglican and free church leaders begged the prime minister
not to do it.
The interviewer brought up the 20th century when gentlemen like Mao,
Stalin and Hitler, men who like Polly Toynbee rejected the idea of
religion and its restrictions, had done so much evil. Didn't organised
religion with it's teachings about the respect due to the individual
(and, he didn't but might have said, the fear of facing a righteous
God at Judgement Day with bloodstained hands) offer some restraints
against such 'scientific atheism' and other irreligious philosophy
which was used to justified mass murder? She typically shrugged this
off and said that religious people were just as bad when they got into
power. She didn't offer an example so we could compare numbers, the
assertion was enough evidence for her. Not all atheists were Stalins,
she said. Agreed, but ONE was-and he and his atheist government
machine murdered 60 million or more people in the name of the secular
state and 'progress'. No Christian, compelled by love and restrained
by the fear of God, has ever or could ever do any such thing.
Atheist state power and Christian state power 'just the same' Polly?
Really? Hitler's war cost 50 million dead, plus the economic and
environmental cost, Stalin and Mao are both thought to have rivalled
or exceeded that number. Roger Bolton didn't even mention Paris-
educated atheist Pol Pot who murdered a mere 2 million people in
Cambodia in living memory. These men were all social Darwinists to the
core, Hitler was a pagan rather than an atheist, and used a form of
religious language when it suited him, but they all rejected the idea
that a righteous Creator and Lawgiver God had the authority to order
and restrain their behaviour-with terrible consequences. Stalin
abandoned Christianity and embraced atheism after reading Darwin.
Ideas have consequences.
It is a tragedy that influential journalists like Polly Toynbee are
able to get away with calling themselves rational while making flip
comments asserting that the 150 million plus deaths caused by
secularist philosophies when they got into power in the 20th century
were matched by similar atrocities caused by the church. Of course she
did not offer any examples as there aren't any which bear examination.
Polly, nothing you or your mate Dawkins has said convinces me that
there is not a seed of Stalin in your philosophy which would
'liquidate superstition' by all means necessary if you could. |
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| 1Z... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:02 am |
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On 6 Nov, 14:53, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:36:12 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Imagine, people taking the virtual reality or representations
produced by their brain processes, as reality!
[/quote]
And brain processes are in the virtual reality or the real reality? |
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| Jimbo... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:28 am |
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On Nov 6, 9:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
wrote:
[quote]http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Just listened to Polly Toynbee on Radio 4 'Sunday' programme. She is
the new president of the National Secular Society and HATES the idea
that there is a God.
[/quote]
LOL! It's amazing the way religionists will distort just about
anything to their own point of view. |
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| Syd M.... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:01 am |
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On Nov 6, 9:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
wrote:
[quote]http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
[/quote]
Well, Sound Of Tremendous Stupid Lies, cough up this 'god' of yours
and it'll vanish.
Until then, we're here, and theres nothing you can do about that.
PDW |
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| L.Roberts... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:08 am |
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On Nov 6, 6:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
wrote:
[quote]http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Just listened to Polly Toynbee on Radio 4 'Sunday' programme. She is
the new president of the National Secular Society and HATES the idea
that there is a God. She sees herself as being involved in a struggle
of Reason against Superstition, and is a great believer in autonomy,
the right to die, abortion rights, and deplores the influence of the
churches in society, which she seems to think is very great. Shame it
wasn't great enough to stop Blair's illegal war in Iraq when the
Catholic, Anglican and free church leaders begged the prime minister
not to do it.
The interviewer brought up the 20th century when gentlemen like Mao,
Stalin and Hitler, men who like Polly Toynbee rejected the idea of
religion and its restrictions, had done so much evil. Didn't organised
religion with it's teachings about the respect due to the individual
(and, he didn't but might have said, the fear of facing a righteous
God at Judgement Day with bloodstained hands) offer some restraints
against such 'scientific atheism' and other irreligious philosophy
which was used to justified mass murder? She typically shrugged this
off and said that religious people were just as bad when they got into
power. She didn't offer an example so we could compare numbers, the
assertion was enough evidence for her. Not all atheists were Stalins,
she said. Agreed, but ONE was-and he and his atheist government
machine murdered 60 million or more people in the name of the secular
state and 'progress'. No Christian, compelled by love and restrained
by the fear of God, has ever or could ever do any such thing.
Atheist state power and Christian state power 'just the same' Polly?
Really? Hitler's war cost 50 million dead, plus the economic and
environmental cost, Stalin and Mao are both thought to have rivalled
or exceeded that number. Roger Bolton didn't even mention Paris-
educated atheist Pol Pot who murdered a mere 2 million people in
Cambodia in living memory. These men were all social Darwinists to the
core, Hitler was a pagan rather than an atheist, and used a form of
religious language when it suited him, but they all rejected the idea
that a righteous Creator and Lawgiver God had the authority to order
and restrain their behaviour-with terrible consequences. Stalin
abandoned Christianity and embraced atheism after reading Darwin.
Ideas have consequences.
It is a tragedy that influential journalists like Polly Toynbee are
able to get away with calling themselves rational while making flip
comments asserting that the 150 million plus deaths caused by
secularist philosophies when they got into power in the 20th century
were matched by similar atrocities caused by the church. Of course she
did not offer any examples as there aren't any which bear examination.
Polly, nothing you or your mate Dawkins has said convinces me that
there is not a seed of Stalin in your philosophy which would
'liquidate superstition' by all means necessary if you could.
[/quote]
Fuck imagining, produce a god you fucking religi-idiotic dunce and
make 'No atheism' a reality.
L.Roberts
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| Franco... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:43 am |
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On Nov 6, 6:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
wrote:
[quote]http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Just listened to Polly Toynbee on Radio 4 'Sunday' programme. She is
the new president of the National Secular Society and HATES the idea
that there is a God. She sees herself as being involved in a struggle
of Reason against Superstition, and is a great believer in autonomy,
the right to die, abortion rights, and deplores the influence of the
churches in society, which she seems to think is very great. Shame it
wasn't great enough to stop Blair's illegal war in Iraq when the
Catholic, Anglican and free church leaders begged the prime minister
not to do it.
The interviewer brought up the 20th century when gentlemen like Mao,
Stalin and Hitler, men who like Polly Toynbee rejected the idea of
religion and its restrictions, had done so much evil. Didn't organised
religion with it's teachings about the respect due to the individual
(and, he didn't but might have said, the fear of facing a righteous
God at Judgement Day with bloodstained hands) offer some restraints
against such 'scientific atheism' and other irreligious philosophy
which was used to justified mass murder? She typically shrugged this
off and said that religious people were just as bad when they got into
power. She didn't offer an example so we could compare numbers, the
assertion was enough evidence for her. Not all atheists were Stalins,
she said. Agreed, but ONE was-and he and his atheist government
machine murdered 60 million or more people in the name of the secular
state and 'progress'. No Christian, compelled by love and restrained
by the fear of God, has ever or could ever do any such thing.
Atheist state power and Christian state power 'just the same' Polly?
Really? Hitler's war cost 50 million dead, plus the economic and
environmental cost, Stalin and Mao are both thought to have rivalled
or exceeded that number. Roger Bolton didn't even mention Paris-
educated atheist Pol Pot who murdered a mere 2 million people in
Cambodia in living memory. These men were all social Darwinists to the
core, Hitler was a pagan rather than an atheist, and used a form of
religious language when it suited him, but they all rejected the idea
that a righteous Creator and Lawgiver God had the authority to order
and restrain their behaviour-with terrible consequences. Stalin
abandoned Christianity and embraced atheism after reading Darwin.
Ideas have consequences.
It is a tragedy that influential journalists like Polly Toynbee are
able to get away with calling themselves rational while making flip
comments asserting that the 150 million plus deaths caused by
secularist philosophies when they got into power in the 20th century
were matched by similar atrocities caused by the church. Of course she
did not offer any examples as there aren't any which bear examination.
Polly, nothing you or your mate Dawkins has said convinces me that
there is not a seed of Stalin in your philosophy which would
'liquidate superstition' by all means necessary if you could.
[/quote]
Blair is a Christian (reportedly very devout and recently converted to
Roman Catholicism) and yet he involved the UK in wars in Afghanistan
and Iraq. He is not the only Christian to engage in warfare. |
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| Sir Frederick... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:53 am |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:36:12 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
[quote]http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Imagine, people taking the virtual reality or representations[/quote]
produced by their brain processes, as reality! |
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| Sir Frederick... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:19 am |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:02:44 -0800 (PST), 1Z <peterdjones at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On 6 Nov, 14:53, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:36:12 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Imagine, people taking the virtual reality or representations
produced by their brain processes, as reality!
And brain processes are in the virtual reality or the real reality?
[/quote]
Probably both. |
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| Enkidu... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:48 am |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
[quote]Imagine no atheism
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We lived it . . . it's called "The Dark Ages".
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers."
-- Denis Diderot |
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| raven1... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:25 am |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:36:12 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
[quote]Not all atheists were Stalins,
she said. Agreed, but ONE was-and he and his atheist government
machine murdered 60 million or more people in the name of the secular
state and 'progress'. No Christian, compelled by love and restrained
by the fear of God, has ever or could ever do any such thing.
[/quote]
Pass the haggis, laddie! |
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| Dan Clore... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:08 pm |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
[quote]http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
The interviewer brought up the 20th century when gentlemen like Mao,
Stalin and Hitler, men who like Polly Toynbee rejected the idea of
religion and its restrictions, had done so much evil.
Really? Hitler's war cost 50 million dead, plus the economic and
environmental cost,
These men were all social Darwinists to
the core, Hitler was a pagan rather than an atheist, and used a form
of religious language when it suited him, but they all rejected the
idea that a righteous Creator and Lawgiver God had the authority to
order and restrain their behaviour
[/quote]
Etc.
Hitler was in fact a lifelong Roman Catholic, and endorsed Creationism
in Mein Kampf.
Anyone interested in the numbers slain by Christians can begin their
research here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1559501642/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro
--
Dan Clore
New book: _Weird Words: A Lovecraftian Lexicon_:
http://tinyurl.com/yd3bxkw
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
(Wait for the new edition: http://hplmythos.com/ )
Lord We˙rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://tinyurl.com/292yz9
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
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immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms" |
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| rochrist... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:00 pm |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
[quote]http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Just listened to Polly Toynbee on Radio 4 'Sunday' programme. She is
the new president of the National Secular Society and HATES the idea
that there is a God. She sees herself as being involved in a struggle
of Reason against Superstition, and is a great believer in autonomy,
the right to die, abortion rights, and deplores the influence of the
churches in society, which she seems to think is very great. Shame it
wasn't great enough to stop Blair's illegal war in Iraq when the
Catholic, Anglican and free church leaders begged the prime minister
not to do it.
The interviewer brought up the 20th century when gentlemen like Mao,
Stalin and Hitler, men who like Polly Toynbee rejected the idea of
religion and its restrictions, had done so much evil. Didn't organised
religion with it's teachings about the respect due to the individual
(and, he didn't but might have said, the fear of facing a righteous
God at Judgement Day with bloodstained hands) offer some restraints
against such 'scientific atheism' and other irreligious philosophy
which was used to justified mass murder? She typically shrugged this
off and said that religious people were just as bad when they got into
power. She didn't offer an example so we could compare numbers, the
assertion was enough evidence for her. Not all atheists were Stalins,
she said. Agreed, but ONE was-and he and his atheist government
machine murdered 60 million or more people in the name of the secular
state and 'progress'. No Christian, compelled by love and restrained
by the fear of God, has ever or could ever do any such thing.
Atheist state power and Christian state power 'just the same' Polly?
Really? Hitler's war cost 50 million dead, plus the economic and
environmental cost, Stalin and Mao are both thought to have rivalled
or exceeded that number. Roger Bolton didn't even mention Paris-
educated atheist Pol Pot who murdered a mere 2 million people in
Cambodia in living memory. These men were all social Darwinists to the
core, Hitler was a pagan rather than an atheist, and used a form of
religious language when it suited him, but they all rejected the idea
that a righteous Creator and Lawgiver God had the authority to order
and restrain their behaviour-with terrible consequences. Stalin
abandoned Christianity and embraced atheism after reading Darwin.
Ideas have consequences.
It is a tragedy that influential journalists like Polly Toynbee are
able to get away with calling themselves rational while making flip
comments asserting that the 150 million plus deaths caused by
secularist philosophies when they got into power in the 20th century
were matched by similar atrocities caused by the church. Of course she
did not offer any examples as there aren't any which bear examination.
Polly, nothing you or your mate Dawkins has said convinces me that
there is not a seed of Stalin in your philosophy which would
'liquidate superstition' by all means necessary if you could.
[/quote]
Imagine no christian lunatics. |
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| T Guy... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:47 pm |
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(Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> cut and pasted):
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[quote]http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html
Imagine no atheism
http://www.questiondarwin.com
Just listened to Polly Toynbee on Radio 4 'Sunday' programme. She is
the new president of the National Secular Society and HATES the idea
that there is a God.
[/quote]
(T Guy):
Do you think that she hates the idea of four-sided triangles?
(Strumpet):
She sees herself as being involved in a struggle
[quote]of Reason against Superstition, and is a great believer in autonomy
[/quote]
(T Guy):
You make that sound like a bad thing. This may reveal your true
colours.
(Strumpet):
,
[quote]the right to die, abortion rights, and deplores the influence of the
churches in society, which she seems to think is very great. Shame it
wasn't great enough to stop Blair's illegal war in Iraq when the
Catholic, Anglican and free church leaders begged the prime minister
not to do it.
[/quote]
(T Guy):
The reasoned objections of some atheists failed as much as the begging
of the theists; they were equally ignored by the theist Blair.
(Strumpet):
[quote]
The interviewer brought up the 20th century when gentlemen like Mao,
Stalin and Hitler, men who like Polly Toynbee rejected the idea of
religion
[/quote]
(T Guy):
Nope. I don't know about Hitler - others elsethread address his
religious beliefs - but Stalin and Mao were both self-alleged
Marxists.
(Strumpet):
....No Christian, compelled by love and restrained
[quote]by the fear of God, has ever or could ever do any such thing.
[/quote]
(T Guy):
Atheists are compelled by love; there is no need to threaten them and
make them afraid of some more poweerful being to make them act well.
(Strumpet):
[quote]
Atheist state power and Christian state power 'just the same' Polly?
Really? Hitler's war cost 50 million dead, plus the economic and
environmental cost,... Hitler was a pagan rather than an atheist,
[/quote]
(T Guy):
Make up your... oh, yeah, okay, as you were.
(Strumpet):
[quote]Polly, nothing you or your mate Dawkins has said convinces me
[/quote]
(T Guy):
Would it be more convincing if you didn't start off from the position
that there is a powerful being who will torture you if Polly convinces
you?
(Strumpet):
that
[quote]there is not a seed of Stalin in your philosophy which would
'liquidate superstition' by all means necessary if you could.
[/quote]
(T Guy):
Oh, if only...
T Guy |
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| Jon Schild... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:09 pm |
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Sound of Bowel Movement wrote:
[quote]
Imagine no atheism
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I know you are not capable of even forming this idea, let alone
considering it, but she does have freedome of belief. As much as you
find if offensive that there is anyone in the world who does not
subscribe to your microcephalic distortion of religion, there are such
people, and they have a right to believe and say ANYTHING THEY WANT!
At least she doesn't leave drive-by piles of steaming feces on unrelated
newsgroups. |
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| David Johnston... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:09 pm |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:36:12 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
[quote]
The interviewer brought up the 20th century when gentlemen like Mao,
Stalin and Hitler, men who like Polly Toynbee rejected the idea of
religion and its restrictions, had done so much evil.
[/quote]
Hitler did not reject the idea of religion although of course he
expected it, like everything else, to be subordinate to the leader.
Didn't organised
[quote]religion with it's teachings about the respect due to the individual
(and, he didn't but might have said, the fear of facing a righteous
God at Judgement Day with bloodstained hands) offer some restraints
against such 'scientific atheism' and other irreligious philosophy
which was used to justified mass murder?
[/quote]
Based on the 30 million death toll of the religiously motivated
Taiping Rebellion...no. |
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