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| Ray O'Hara... |
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| kangarooistan... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:20 pm |
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On Nov 6, 12:20 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
[/quote]
Muslims should rise up'
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead
at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans
in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said
last night.
By Philip Sherwell in New York
Published: 1:41AM GMT 06 Nov 2009
Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military
base in Texas, described angry confrontations between Maj Hasan and
other officers after he expressed his views.
Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the
end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and
insults because of his Arab background and his faith.
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The major was a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning
from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse
problems.
"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and
claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col
Lee told Fox News.
"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we
should not be in the war in the first place."
He said he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling"
during heated arguments with other officers.
Maj Hasan's cousin Nader Husan said he was happy working for the
military but did dread deployment to Iraq.
Mr Hasan said his cousin was a US-born Muslim who had joined the
military after high school.
He had served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical
Center in Washington DC, which treats many badly wounded troops.
"He was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed dealing with the people coming
back and ... trying to help them with their trauma," he said.
He said his cousin had been transferred to Fort Hood in April months
ago and was very reluctant to be deployed to Iraq. "We've known over
the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," he said.
Published: November 5, 2009
Updated: 23 min. ago
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* Shootings at Fort Hood
Officials at MacDill Air Force Base, home to Central Command and
Special Operations Command, are not talking about what, if any,
additional security measures they are taking after today's shootings
at Fort Hood.
"The Air Force takes the safety and security of its personnel
seriously, and the Air Force is committed to protecting all service
members, their families, civilian employees and anyone else that works
or visits MacDill AFB," Col. Larry Martin, 6th Air Mobility Wing
commander, said in a written statement. "MacDill Air Force Base has
security measures in place at all times, however, The Air Force does
not discuss specifics of our force protection measures."
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Fort Hood shootings not first brush with tragedy
05:20 PM CST on Thursday, November 5, 2009
From staff reports
Killeen was the site of one of the nation's most deadly mass shootings
on Oct. 16, 1991. On that day, George Hennard, 35, slammed his truck
through the front window of a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen.
Yelling, "This is what Bell County did to me," he got out of his truck
and began shooting diners. Within 10 minutes, he had killed 23 people
and wounded more than 20 before committing suicide.
12 dead as soldier opens fire at Fort Hood Army base
Google map: Area where shootings reportedly occurred
Obama laments 'horrific outburst of violence'
Link: Fort Hood facts
Witnesses said the killer strolled through the cafeteria, randomly
selecting victims.
No motive was ever established.
Reportedly a racist and a misogynist, he wrote to a friend in early
1991: "Please give me the satisfaction of one day laughing in the face
of all those mostly white treacherous female vipers." After graduating
from high school, he joined the Navy, then later transferred to the
Merchant Marine,
Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001)
was a United States Army veteran and security guard who was convicted
of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19,
1995, the second anniversary of the Waco Siege, as revenge or to
inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal
government.
The bombing killed 168 people and was the deadliest act of terrorism
within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.[2]
Military career
In May 1988, McVeigh enlisted in the U.S. Army.[17] He had little
interest in the bar scene, preferring to use his spare time to read
about guns, sniper tactics, or explosives.[18] He once ordered a
"White Power" T-shirt from the KKK in protest against black servicemen
who wore "Black Power" T-shirts around his army camp [19], but was
reprimanded.
He was a decorated veteran of the United States Army, having served in
the Gulf War, where he was awarded a Bronze Star. He had been a top-
scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the Bradley Fighting Vehicles
used by the U.S. 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned. He
served at Fort Riley, Kansas, before Operation Desert Storm. At Fort
Riley, McVeigh completed the Primary Leadership Development Course
(PLDC). McVeigh later would say that the Army taught him how to switch
off his emotions.[6] He had special lifesaving training and may have
saved the life of a comrade who had life-threatening shrapnel wounds.
[20]
McVeigh wanted to join the United States Army Special Forces. After
returning from the Gulf War, he entered the selection program for
United States Army Special Forces to become a SF soldier , but was
quickly dropped from the program after failing to meet the physical
fitness requirements. Shortly thereafter, McVeigh decided to leave the
Army. He was discharged on December 31, 1991.[21] McVeigh was given an
honorable discharge from the Army Reserve in May 1992.
He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death and
executed on June 11, 2001. |
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| David E. Powell... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:20 pm |
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On Nov 5, 10:43 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7XnZ2dnUVZ8kVi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS.
Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
[/quote]
Treason is still a capital offense. |
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:36 pm |
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
[quote]the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on[/quote]
trial. A BIG MESS.
Andrew Swallow |
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| Ray O'Hara... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:43 pm |
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"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7XnZ2dnUVZ8kVi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
[quote]Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS.
Andrew Swallow
[/quote]
and then execute him. |
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:10 pm |
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
[quote]"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7XnZ2dnUVZ8kVi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS.
Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
Think how many protests that is going to lead to. Well over the[/quote]
next 10 - 20 years the FBI is going to end up with photographs
of a lot of people it will have to keep an eye on.
Look out for ring leaders near the trouble spots but who do not
actually riot themselves.
Andrew Swallow |
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| a425couple... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:58 pm |
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"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote ...
[quote]"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote ...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
[/quote]
"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word
that came out, or if it really shows something of your
thought process?
(Admitting, after more thought, I often wish I'd used
a different choice of words then I typed out.)
[quote]Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
[/quote]
Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an
'execution' never happens.
When is the last time the military, or even any part
of the federal government conducted one?
Is it even authorized anymore? |
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| Ray O'Hara... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:09 am |
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"a425couple" <a425couple at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hd0apq016mg at (no spam) news6.newsguy.com...
[quote]"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote ...
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote ...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word that came out,
or if it really shows something of your thought process? (Admitting, after
more thought, I often wish I'd used a different choice of words then I
typed out.)
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an 'execution' never
happens. When is the last time the military, or even any part of the
federal government conducted one? Is it even authorized anymore?
[/quote]
they knew he was alive yet let hours go by with reports saying he's dead
and the Military still has the death penalty and killing 12 and wounding 31
because yoou don't want to go overseas, don't agree with the war and were
reprimanded for posting postive things on the "interwebs" about suicide
bombers will earn it for you. |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:59 am |
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"a425couple" <a425couple at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
:"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote ...
:> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote ...
:>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
:>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
:
:"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word
:that came out, or if it really shows something of your
:thought process?
:(Admitting, after more thought, I often wish I'd used
:a different choice of words then I typed out.)
:
We're talking about Ray O'Hara. Are you surprised that that is the
phrasing that would occur to him?
:>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
:>> trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
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:> and then execute him.
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:Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an
:'execution' never happens.
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No bet.
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:When is the last time the military, or even any part
 f the federal government conducted one?
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Last federal execution was in 2003 (Jones, Louis - Lethal Injection -
Kidnapping Within Special Maritime/Territorial Jurisdiction Resulting
in Death - 3/18/03 - USP Terre Haute, IN).
Last military execution was in 1961 (Bennett, John A. - 8 Feb. 1955 -
13 Apr. 1961 - Rape, Attempted Murder (Premeditated)).
:
:Is it even authorized anymore?
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Yes.
There are currently nine prisoners on military death row, the latest
having been sentenced in 2005.
--
"Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:04 am |
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"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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:"a425couple" <a425couple at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
:news:hd0apq016mg at (no spam) news6.newsguy.com...
:> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote ...
:>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote ...
:>>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
:>>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
:>
:> "admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word that came out,
:> or if it really shows something of your thought process? (Admitting, after
:> more thought, I often wish I'd used a different choice of words then I
:> typed out.)
:>>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
:>>> trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
:>>
:>> and then execute him.
:>
:> Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an 'execution' never
:> happens. When is the last time the military, or even any part of the
:> federal government conducted one? Is it even authorized anymore?
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: they knew he was alive yet let hours go by with reports saying he's dead
:and the Military still has the death penalty and killing 12 and wounding 31
:because yoou don't want to go overseas, don't agree with the war and were
:reprimanded for posting postive things on the "interwebs" about suicide
:bombers will earn it for you.
:
What does that have to do with your reflexive use of the word
"admitted"?
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:14 am |
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On Nov 6, 1:42 am, Alexander <Alexan... at (no spam) thegreat.org> wrote:
[quote]Ray O'Hara wrote:
"a425couple" <a425cou... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hd0apq016mg at (no spam) news6.newsguy.com...
"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote ...
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote ...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word that came out,
or if it really shows something of your thought process? (Admitting, after
more thought, I often wish I'd used a different choice of words then I
typed out.)
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an 'execution' never
happens. When is the last time the military, or even any part of the
federal government conducted one? Is it even authorized anymore?
they knew he was alive yet let hours go by with reports saying he's dead
and the Military still has the death penalty and killing 12 and wounding 31
because yoou don't want to go overseas, don't agree with the war and were
reprimanded for posting postive things on the "interwebs" about suicide
bombers will earn it for you.
As an Officer, he had the right to resign. What he did is unacceptable
and will be punished harshly. If it isn't, there will be more incidents
from others of like mind. It would be a good idea to start sorting these
mindsets out now. Before we have a lot of Fraggings take place.
[/quote]
It would seem that he owes a lot of service time for his various
degrees, paid for by the U.S. Army.
The Army probably delayed saying he was alive to determine whether his
act was part of a wider plot. Osama bin Ladin had recently broadcast
the desire to have Americans rise up and perform the sort of terrorist
acts the al Qaeda wanted. |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:34 am |
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"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
:On Nov 5, 10:43 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
:> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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:> news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7XnZ2dnUVZ8kVi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
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:> > Ray O'Hara wrote:
:> >> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
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:> > Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
:> > trial. A BIG MESS.
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:> > Andrew Swallow
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:> and then execute him.
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:Treason is still a capital offense.
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It would probably be virtually impossible to 'prove' treason under the
US rules. What's the treasonable act? Multiple Murder With Special
Circumstances also carries a death penalty and is much easier to
convict on.
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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
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| Matt Wiser... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:36 am |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:v3e7f5d5a7nnu83eglgdr299jj8vd62rrv at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]"a425couple" <a425couple at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
:"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote ...
:> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote ...
:>> Ray O'Hara wrote:
:>>> the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
:
:"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word
:that came out, or if it really shows something of your
:thought process?
:(Admitting, after more thought, I often wish I'd used
:a different choice of words then I typed out.)
:
We're talking about Ray O'Hara. Are you surprised that that is the
phrasing that would occur to him?
:>> Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
:>> trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
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:> and then execute him.
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:Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an
:'execution' never happens.
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No bet.
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:When is the last time the military, or even any part
f the federal government conducted one?
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Last federal execution was in 2003 (Jones, Louis - Lethal Injection -
Kidnapping Within Special Maritime/Territorial Jurisdiction Resulting
in Death - 3/18/03 - USP Terre Haute, IN).
Last military execution was in 1961 (Bennett, John A. - 8 Feb. 1955 -
13 Apr. 1961 - Rape, Attempted Murder (Premeditated)).
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:Is it even authorized anymore?
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Yes.
There are currently nine prisoners on military death row, the latest
having been sentenced in 2005.
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If this guy survives, it'll be ten.[/quote] |
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| Alexander... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:37 am |
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
[quote]"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:MeGdnT81La1NBG7XnZ2dnUVZ8kVi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS.
Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
[/quote]
Gitmo first!
[quote]
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| American Eagle... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:39 am |
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a425couple wrote:
[quote]"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote ...
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote ...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
the Army just admitted he was alive and in stable condition.
"admitted", hmm. I'm just not sure if that is just a word that came
out, or if it really shows something of your thought process?
(Admitting, after more thought, I often wish I'd used a different choice
of words then I typed out.)
Oh dear. That means that the Army is going to have to put him on
trial. A BIG MESS. Andrew Swallow
and then execute him.
Ahhh, I'd be willing to take a fair size bet that an 'execution' never
happens. When is the last time the military, or even any part of the
federal government conducted one? Is it even authorized anymore?
[/quote]
The American public will demand vengeance. An Execution will be a
political necessity. I wonder where he can find a Jew Lawyer? |
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