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| mpm... |
 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:08 am |
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Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:01 pm |
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On Nov 5, 4:18 pm, Spehro Pefhany <speffS... at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
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[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
Have you tried a grease pencil?
http://www.filmtools.com/noname9.html- Hide quoted text -
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I always assumed a grease pencil was a China Marker??
Are they different?
The China Markers I'm talking about have this little string you pull,
that takes off the paper spiral wraps, and that sharpens it.
I've seen China Markers in pencil form that you could sharpen in a
standard pencil sharpener.
Is that what you're talking about?
And if not the same thing, then I should get one to try it out.
I hadn't previously, because I thought they were the same thing.
Thanks.
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:12 pm |
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On Nov 5, 7:17 pm, PeterD <pet... at (no spam) hipson.net> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
Whiteboard marker pen. Available in standard and fine point versions.- Hide quoted text -
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Thanks for the suggestion.
Whiteboard markers never actually stick.
They just stay on the polypropylene film as a wet streak, and very
(too) easily wipe off.
They never dry.
I tried several brands, including Sanford & Expo 2 |
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:16 pm |
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On Nov 5, 4:31 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I... at (no spam) My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:18:52 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffS... at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
Have you tried a grease pencil?
http://www.filmtools.com/noname9.html
Sharpie? Erases easily with denatured alcohol (learned after 6
year-old son wrote on my white board ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Obama says, "I AM NOT a cry baby, Fox REALLY IS out to get me!"- Hide quoted text -
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Thanks Jim!
Sharpies do the trick!!
I really thought I had tried Sharpies previously and they didn't
stick. (?)
I must have tried a dozen markers. Guess I got my markers mixed up.
But I just tried several Sharpie colors. All work well.
And as you say, a little alcohol (isopropyl was all I had handy), does
indeed wipe clean.
FYI - Dark blue seems to dry the fastest, though all dry acceptably
fast enough.
I'm going to let some test samples "cure" overnight and see if they
still come clean in the morning without scrubbing. |
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| Spehro Pefhany... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:18 pm |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmillard at (no spam) aol.com>
wrote:
[quote]Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
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Have you tried a grease pencil?
http://www.filmtools.com/noname9.html |
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| Jim Thompson... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:31 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:18:52 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmillard at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
Have you tried a grease pencil?
http://www.filmtools.com/noname9.html
Sharpie? Erases easily with denatured alcohol (learned after 6[/quote]
year-old son wrote on my white board 
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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| Tim Williams... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:26 pm |
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On Nov 5, 8:23 pm, Tim <t... at (no spam) tim.tim> wrote:
[quote]The permanant Staedtler can be easily removed with methel hydrate or
rubbing alcohol. I do that a lot when etching PC boards.
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Huh...
Methyl hydrate would be the acid conjugate CH3-OH2+.
The alcohol is actually a hydroxide, of course. :^)
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:44 pm |
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On Nov 5, 11:20 pm, Capt. Cave Man
<ItIsSoEasyACaveManCanD... at (no spam) upyers.org> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:16:11 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Sharpies do the trick!!
I really thought I had tried Sharpies previously and they didn't
stick. (?)
I must have tried a dozen markers. Guess I got my markers mixed up.
But I just tried several Sharpie colors. All work well.
And as you say, a little alcohol (isopropyl was all I had handy), does
indeed wipe clean.
FYI - Dark blue seems to dry the fastest, though all dry acceptably
fast enough.
I'm going to let some test samples "cure" overnight and see if they
still come clean in the morning without scrubbing.
You obviously haven't been around a manufacturing realm in many years.
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You're obviously not getting any sex lately.
What is your problem?
It's an innocent question about finding a cheap marker for
polypropylene film.
No need to get nasty about it.
And as for your cryptic replies, please explain the difference to me
between a "Whiteboard" and a "Dry Erase" because I guess I'm just too
stupid to get it.
Thanks
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:59 pm |
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On Nov 5, 11:26 pm, Tim Williams <tmoran... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 8:23 pm, Tim <t... at (no spam) tim.tim> wrote:
The permanant Staedtler can be easily removed with methel hydrate or
rubbing alcohol. I do that a lot when etching PC boards.
Huh...
Methyl hydrate would be the acid conjugate CH3-OH2+.
The alcohol is actually a hydroxide, of course. :^)
Tim
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Curiously, the Staedtler Lumocolor permanent markers also come up
easily with Isopropyl.
They're too expensive anyway - so they're out on that count alone.
Interestingly, we were previously using polyethylene film (not
polypropylene), and on that film, the Staedtler's were quite difficult
to erase.
Especially if you let it sit for long periods of time.
That said, Lumocolor markers are downright fantastic pens - they'll
even write on glass and dry almost instantly.
And, they'll also write on the aqueous glossy coatings applied by some
commercial print shops. |
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:03 pm |
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On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, mpm <mpmill... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 11:20 pm, Capt. Cave Man
ItIsSoEasyACaveManCanD... at (no spam) upyers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:16:11 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Sharpies do the trick!!
I really thought I had tried Sharpies previously and they didn't
stick. (?)
I must have tried a dozen markers. Guess I got my markers mixed up.
But I just tried several Sharpie colors. All work well.
And as you say, a little alcohol (isopropyl was all I had handy), does
indeed wipe clean.
FYI - Dark blue seems to dry the fastest, though all dry acceptably
fast enough.
I'm going to let some test samples "cure" overnight and see if they
still come clean in the morning without scrubbing.
You obviously haven't been around a manufacturing realm in many years.
You're obviously not getting any sex lately.
What is your problem?
It's an innocent question about finding a cheap marker for
polypropylene film.
No need to get nasty about it.
And as for your cryptic replies, please explain the difference to me
between a "Whiteboard" and a "Dry Erase" because I guess I'm just too
stupid to get it.
Thanks
-mpm- Hide quoted text -
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Oops -- my apologies.
I thought that comment was directed at me.
Now I see it was directed at PeterD.
He was just trying to help......
Anyway, sorry to lash out at you when you weren't even pushing my
buttons... :)
Maybe if I had a better Newsgroup reader than this P.O.S. Google
interface (complete with Chinese spam!), I could keep better track of
who's responding to what.!!!
Much egg on face.
-mpm |
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:06 pm |
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On Nov 5, 11:13 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe... at (no spam) InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:18:52 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffS... at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
Have you tried a grease pencil?
http://www.filmtools.com/noname9.html
Make a rubber stamp, and use printing ink, thick.
Or a painter's tubes. Mix your own color.
Freeze, then flex the bag later, and it flakes off- Hide quoted text -
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Interesting idea. Thanks.
But not practical for this situation.
Jim's Sharpie suggestion (earlier) seems to be the right approach.
I had neglected to test it properly, and that's why I had incorrectly
ditched the idea. |
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| Rich Grise... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:13 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800, mpm wrote:
[quote]Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene plastic
film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.) Must be erasable with nothing
more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
We used to dip the corner of our rag into the (dry) ashes in the ash[/quote]
tray. Worked like a champ! (of course, that's proably not too convenient
these days, since they made antismokerism the national religion.)
Good Luck!
Rich |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:17 pm |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmillard at (no spam) aol.com>
wrote:
[quote]Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
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Whiteboard marker pen. Available in standard and fine point versions. |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:23 pm |
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The permanant Staedtler can be easily removed with methel hydrate or
rubbing alcohol. I do that a lot when etching PC boards.
- Tim -
In article <ac5c0727-2102-468b-98e1-d00aa5c65b13
at (no spam) p28g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, mpmillard at (no spam) aol.com says...
[quote]Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:18:52 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmillard at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
Off topic:
Anyone know of an inexpensive way to handwrite on polypropylene
plastic film?
Must be cheap! ($1 or less, in small qty.)
Must be erasable with nothing more than reasonable deliberate effort.
For example:
A wax China Marker works, but is just a little bit too difficult to
remove.
All the other markers either won't stick at all (stays wet), or are
permanent (i.e., Staedtler Lumocoloer markers)*.
*Of course, the Lumocolor markers cost too much anyway. Dry Erase
markers don't work.
Thanks!!!
-mpm
Have you tried a grease pencil?
http://www.filmtools.com/noname9.html
[/quote]
Make a rubber stamp, and use printing ink, thick.
Or a painter's tubes. Mix your own color.
Freeze, then flex the bag later, and it flakes off |
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