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| Andrew Usher... |
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In a previous thread, I presented my new (as far as I know) discovery.
It seems no-one was convinced, so I present the facts in a more
persuasive form below.
My thesis on female sexual behavior is this: 'Women's unwillingness to
have sex, where men would be willing, is a function of their
perception of the benefits to be obtained by withholding it.'. It must
be understood that: this process by which women decide is largely
unconscious, that the benefits stated are not necessarily financial,
and that they are not just obtainable from _that man_ they are
considering but from all men perceived to be in the same group.
Examples of this principle's success are the following:
1. Young girls (middle school to high school age, but past puberty)
that are sexually active at all often have boyfriends the same age
that are not employed and supported by their parents (like all
children). Adult women generally would not consider a man that is
unemployed and supported by his parents, even if she is.
Explanation: The 14-year-old girl has no realistic prospect of getting
a lover the same age that can support her, therefore does not get that
benefit by withholding sex. The adult woman does.
2. In confined environments women are more willing to have sex with
peers regardless of whether they would be suitable outside.
The high likelihood of sex is, after all, why prisons (and similar)
are segregated. The military is not segregated now, and sex happens as
much as you could imagine. The high rate of pregnancies in the
military, especially the Navy, is not solely due to the benefits
offered to women that become pregnant as women rarely are willing to
have sex to achieve pregnancy when they would not otherwise desire sex
(if they were, child support would ruin men much more than it actually
does!).
Explanation: The woman at that point has little to no possibility of
getting a more
suitable man, and therefore her sexual desires are satisfied with what
is available.
3. Women are sexually looser with travelers and foreigners than they
would be with men from home. For white women in the Western world,
this interacts with dogma against 'racism' to cause it to also include
men of other races.
Explanation: Those men belong to a class that are not likely to commit
the same way as domestic men anyway, and therefore deny women the
benefits of withholding sex. Men of other races can be perceived to
belong to that class, because for almost all of human evolution, men
looking that different were foreigners.
4. Conversely, women traveling to another city, or more, to another
country, are more likely to have an affair there than to have one at
home.
Explanation: The same, essentially. This is further augmented if the
women is already married or in a committed relationship at home (see
next).
5. Women that are married or in committed relationships, especially
after long enough to get over the stage of initial infatuation (a few
years), may have affairs with men that would never be considered as
partners were they single, such as, most evidently, men that are poor
or of a lower social class.
Explanation: Being in a relationship that satisfies, at the moment, a
woman's financial demands, as well as being legally or emotionally
difficult to escape from, causes a woman not to perceive any benefit
by refraining from sex outside it.
6. The previous is especially true for women that are wealthy, and may
be true for independently wealthy women that are single.
Explanation: Wealth reduces the incremental benefit obtainable from
any sexual relationship.
7. The previous does not usually apply to women working for a living:
no matter how much money they are making, they usually concentrate
exclusively on men making as much or more.
Explanation: Working for a living causes one to _feel_ financially
insecure, no matter how much money one actually has.
8. The availability of prostitution in a society is negatively
correlated with men's ability to find normal sexual relationships that
are not prostitution.
Explanation: Prostitution increases women's ability to withhold sex
and not have the man lose interest, because he can be satisfied that
way. Thus, the balance is tipped against men.
9. Women sometimes enter into sexual relationship with teenage boys,
despite having access to adult companionship. That the most notorious
cases involve school-teachers is a combination of such being more
newsworthy, more likely to be discovered, and those women simply
having the most access to men in that age range.
Explanation: A combination of 5 and 1 (the male is seen as a member of
the group of teenage boys).
10. Women are more attracted, all else equal, to men that are already
getting more female attention, and in a relationship with them will
put up with poorer treatment than from an equivalent ordinary man.
(Partial) Explanation: Such a man is going to have adequate sexual
satisfaction no matter what, so withholding sex from him will
typically avail less.
I hope this list has been more convincing than my original post. You
may have the reaction that many of these points are 'obvious'. But I
am not discussing how well known they are, I am discussing WHY they
are.
Andrew Usher |
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| Benj... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:05 pm |
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On Nov 5, 10:48 pm, Virgil <Vir... at (no spam) home.esc> wrote:
[quote]In article
86b4e45f-08a2-41c8-926f-9ff00ad26... at (no spam) l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Andrew Usher <k_over_hb... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
My thesis on female sexual behavior is this
Why are you posting a theory on female sexual behavior to sci.math?
[/quote]
That would be because he's a leftist idiot, who spends his nights and
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| Ste... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:35 pm |
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On 6 Nov, 02:40, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]In a previous thread, I presented my new (as far as I know) discovery.
It seems no-one was convinced, so I present the facts in a more
persuasive form below.
My thesis on female sexual behavior is this: ...
[/quote]
Written by a man? Oh dear.
[quote]... 'Women's unwillingness to
have sex, where men would be willing, is a function of their
perception of the benefits to be obtained by withholding it.'.
[/quote]
You have a wife who uses sex as a bargaining chip, yes?
[quote]It must
be understood that: this process by which women decide is largely
unconscious, that the benefits stated are not necessarily financial,
and that they are not just obtainable from _that man_ they are
considering but from all men perceived to be in the same group.
Examples of this principle's success are the following:
1. Young girls (middle school to high school age, but past puberty)
that are sexually active at all often have boyfriends the same age
that are not employed and supported by their parents (like all
children). Adult women generally would not consider a man that is
unemployed and supported by his parents, even if she is.
Explanation: The 14-year-old girl has no realistic prospect of getting
a lover the same age that can support her, therefore does not get that
benefit by withholding sex. The adult woman does.
[/quote]
There's a much simpler and clearer explanation. Women tend to prefer
men with the highest status within the group-of-comparison (i.e. the
peer group). While at school, it is not socially expected that boys
will work or be economically independent from their parents, and being
so supported is not a sign of low status. As such, it is possible for
a schoolboy to have high status within the group-of-comparison, and
yet be dependent on his parents. Adults however are expected to live
independently from their parents and normally do so, and when they
don't it is normally a sign of low status.
[quote]2. In confined environments women are more willing to have sex with
peers regardless of whether they would be suitable outside.
The high likelihood of sex is, after all, why prisons (and similar)
are segregated. The military is not segregated now, and sex happens as
much as you could imagine. The high rate of pregnancies in the
military, especially the Navy, is not solely due to the benefits
offered to women that become pregnant as women rarely are willing to
have sex to achieve pregnancy when they would not otherwise desire sex
(if they were, child support would ruin men much more than it actually
does!).
Explanation: The woman at that point has little to no possibility of
getting a more
suitable man, and therefore her sexual desires are satisfied with what
is available.
[/quote]
Indeed. Insofar as she wants to have sex at all, her standards will
depend on what is available within the group-of-comparison (i.e. she
will judge partners by a socially relative standard, rather than any
absolute standard).
[quote]3. Women are sexually looser with travelers and foreigners than they
would be with men from home. For white women in the Western world,
this interacts with dogma against 'racism' to cause it to also include
men of other races.
Explanation: Those men belong to a class that are not likely to commit
the same way as domestic men anyway, and therefore deny women the
benefits of withholding sex. Men of other races can be perceived to
belong to that class, because for almost all of human evolution, men
looking that different were foreigners.
[/quote]
I see no reason, or evidence, that women are more sexually loose with
travellers by virtue of that fact alone. More likely is that women
will tend to partner with foreign men who appear to have traits which
would attract high-status within the woman's home group-of-comparison.
[quote]4. Conversely, women traveling to another city, or more, to another
country, are more likely to have an affair there than to have one at
home.
Explanation: The same, essentially. This is further augmented if the
women is already married or in a committed relationship at home (see
next).
[/quote]
Again, it would seem to me they are only likely to have sex with men
who appear to have high-status traits.
[quote]5. Women that are married or in committed relationships, especially
after long enough to get over the stage of initial infatuation (a few
years), may have affairs with men that would never be considered as
partners were they single, such as, most evidently, men that are poor
or of a lower social class.
Explanation: Being in a relationship that satisfies, at the moment, a
woman's financial demands, as well as being legally or emotionally
difficult to escape from, causes a woman not to perceive any benefit
by refraining from sex outside it.
[/quote]
There appears to be a kernel of truth there, but again a rephrase I
think is in order. A woman has various needs, and in our society women
often need men to meet their economic needs. Where that is the case,
women may well tend to choose men whose only attractive attribute is
the ability to offer financial security. If that is the man's only
useful attribute, and if the woman has other needs that are not met
(such as intimacy, or if she is just bored at home all day), then the
woman is likely to seek out other men (and this time she can weed them
on the basis of things like looks and personality, rather than simply
on ability to provide economic security).
[quote]6. The previous is especially true for women that are wealthy, and may
be true for independently wealthy women that are single.
Explanation: Wealth reduces the incremental benefit obtainable from
any sexual relationship.
[/quote]
All it means is that it is not necessary to weed out men based on
their wealth, or remain with them in order to retain financial
security. Then the name of the game is simply enjoyment, and once the
enjoyment stops there is no reason for the relationship to continue.
[quote]7. The previous does not usually apply to women working for a living:
no matter how much money they are making, they usually concentrate
exclusively on men making as much or more.
Explanation: Working for a living causes one to _feel_ financially
insecure, no matter how much money one actually has.
[/quote]
Perhaps in some cases, but generally I think it's just attraction
again to high-status men within the group-of-comparison.
[quote]8. The availability of prostitution in a society is negatively
correlated with men's ability to find normal sexual relationships that
are not prostitution.
Explanation: Prostitution increases women's ability to withhold sex
and not have the man lose interest, because he can be satisfied that
way. Thus, the balance is tipped against men.
[/quote]
I don't understand this at all. The availability of sex elsewhere
reduces a woman's bargaining power, rather than increasing it (because
she forgoes something pleasurable while a man does not), and also
erodes the closeness of the relationship which would otherwise be
cemented together by pleasurable sex. Also it dramatically increases
the chances of catching infectious diseases and such.
[quote]9. Women sometimes enter into sexual relationship with teenage boys,
despite having access to adult companionship. That the most notorious
cases involve school-teachers is a combination of such being more
newsworthy, more likely to be discovered, and those women simply
having the most access to men in that age range.
Explanation: A combination of 5 and 1 (the male is seen as a member of
the group of teenage boys).
[/quote]
Quite possibly it is simply availability.
[quote]10. Women are more attracted, all else equal, to men that are already
getting more female attention, and in a relationship with them will
put up with poorer treatment than from an equivalent ordinary man.
[/quote]
Probably because the fact that he is getting so much attention proves
that he is high status and "worth putting up with".
[quote](Partial) Explanation: Such a man is going to have adequate sexual
satisfaction no matter what, so withholding sex from him will
typically avail less.
[/quote]
I agree a woman is less likely to bargain by withholding sex from a
man if he can easily get it elsewhere, but earlier with the
prostitutes you said the availability of sex elsewhere increased a
woman's bargaining power? How do these two points tie in?
[quote]I hope this list has been more convincing than my original post.
[/quote]
I didn't see the original, but I'm not quite convinced yet.
[quote]You
may have the reaction that many of these points are 'obvious'. But I
am not discussing how well known they are, I am discussing WHY they
are.
[/quote]
Interesting, nonetheless. |
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| Virgil... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:48 pm |
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In article
<86b4e45f-08a2-41c8-926f-9ff00ad26ad9 at (no spam) l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]My thesis on female sexual behavior is this
[/quote]
Why are you posting a theory on female sexual behavior to sci.math? |
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| Svenne... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:53 am |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:48:30 -0600, Virgil <Virgil at (no spam) home.esc> wrote:
[quote]In article
86b4e45f-08a2-41c8-926f-9ff00ad26ad9 at (no spam) l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
My thesis on female sexual behavior is this
Why are you posting a theory on female sexual behavior to sci.math?
[/quote]
He's trying to figure out the statistitical chances of him ever
getting a shag.
Svenne |
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:28 am |
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Andrew Usher wrote:
[quote]My thesis on female sexual behavior is this: 'Women's unwillingness to
have sex, where men would be willing, is a function of their
perception of the benefits to be obtained by withholding it.'.
[/quote]
So...
Can't get a shag then...
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
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| ZerkonXXXX... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:09 am |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:40:43 -0800, Andrew Usher wrote:
[quote]My thesis on female sexual behavior is this:
[/quote]
Of course your thesis was checked for bias?
[quote]'Women's unwillingness to have sex, where men would be willing, is a
function of....
[/quote]
This given of "women's unwillingness" as a basis for the more neutral
"thesis on female sexual behavior" seems shockingly subjective. If a
study of "female sexual behavior" how does "unwillingness" then
immediately follow?
Unless this is more" "My thesis on why I (or we) can not get laid" but
then this does not serve your purpose either since it is women, not you,
who are at the center of this treatment.
Your principles seem, at first glance, to be based on personal musings,
14 year old girls, Navy, prisons, foreigners.. actually even women
themselves all seem more wondered over than experience which then form
principles. |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:51 am |
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Andrew Usher wrote:
[quote]In a previous thread, I presented my new (as far as I know) discovery.
It seems no-one was convinced, so I present the facts in a more
persuasive form below.
My thesis on female sexual behavior is this: 'Women's unwillingness to
have sex, where men would be willing, is a function of their
perception of the benefits to be obtained by withholding it.'. It must
be understood that: this process by which women decide is largely
unconscious, that the benefits stated are not necessarily financial,
and that they are not just obtainable from _that man_ they are
considering but from all men perceived to be in the same group.
[/quote]
Pretty much all human relationships and behavior can be explained by a
combination of sociobiology and game theory.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
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| Uncle Al... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:47 pm |
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Andrew Usher wrote:
[quote]
In a previous thread, I presented my new (as far as I know) discovery.
It seems no-one was convinced, so I present the facts in a more
persuasive form below.
My thesis on female sexual behavior is this: 'Women's unwillingness to
have sex, where men would be willing, is a function of their
perception of the benefits to be obtained by withholding it.'
[snip 100 lines of sciolistic crap][/quote]
American women as a class are insane, manipulative, vindictive,
stupid, and monstrous. If you find a feminine one or one with a
working brain, marry her. If you can get overlap, better.
Men need a place, women need a reason. If she is really hot and
nasty, any place will do. The only reason is to get her hooks deep
into your wallet.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm |
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| Andrew Usher... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:16 pm |
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ZerkonXXXX wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:40:43 -0800, Andrew Usher wrote:
My thesis on female sexual behavior is this:
Of course your thesis was checked for bias?
[/quote]
How is that possible? And it's certainly not scientific.
[quote]'Women's unwillingness to have sex, where men would be willing, is a
function of....
This given of "women's unwillingness" as a basis for the more neutral
"thesis on female sexual behavior" seems shockingly subjective. If a
study of "female sexual behavior" how does "unwillingness" then
immediately follow?
[/quote]
Yes. That's the only mystery of women's sexual behavior, isn't it?
[quote]Your principles seem, at first glance, to be based on personal musings,
14 year old girls, Navy, prisons, foreigners.. actually even women
themselves all seem more wondered over than experience which then form
principles.
[/quote]
Now this sentence is incoherent. What are my principles supposed to be
based on? I figure observation to be superior to the dogmatic feminism
that opposes any such inquiry.
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| Andrew Usher... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:25 pm |
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Uncle Al wrote:
[quote]American women as a class are insane, manipulative, vindictive,
stupid, and monstrous. If you find a feminine one or one with a
working brain, marry her. If you can get overlap, better.
Men need a place, women need a reason. If she is really hot and
nasty, any place will do. The only reason is to get her hooks deep
into your wallet.
[/quote]
No, women are not rational in this matter; that's what my argument is
devoted to showing.
Andrew Usher |
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| Andrew Usher... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:26 pm |
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eric gisse wrote:
[quote]Andrew Usher wrote:
In a previous thread, I presented my new (as far as I know) discovery.
It seems no-one was convinced, so I present the facts in a more
persuasive form below.
My thesis on female sexual behavior [snip rest, unread]
Thanks for crossposting your sexist spew to sci.physics.
[/quote]
I'm sure it really bothers you. That's a good sign for its truth, I
think - after all, obvious lunacy doesn't bother people.
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| ZerkonXXXX... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:28 am |
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:16:58 -0800, Andrew Usher wrote:
[quote]This given of "women's unwillingness" as a basis for the more neutral
"thesis on female sexual behavior" seems shockingly subjective. If a
study of "female sexual behavior" how does "unwillingness" then
immediately follow?
Yes. That's the only mystery of women's sexual behavior, isn't it?
[/quote]
Hardly. However, on this matter, to each their own (thesis). |
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| Andrew Usher... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:03 pm |
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ZerkonXXXX wrote:
[quote]This given of "women's unwillingness" as a basis for the more neutral
"thesis on female sexual behavior" seems shockingly subjective. If a
study of "female sexual behavior" how does "unwillingness" then
immediately follow?
Yes. That's the only mystery of women's sexual behavior, isn't it?
Hardly. However, on this matter, to each their own (thesis).
[/quote]
Well, we know that men's needs little explanation, right? So it seems
we should focus on where women differ from men.
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| Andrew Usher... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:27 pm |
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Ste wrote:
[quote]On 6 Nov, 02:40, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
In a previous thread, I presented my new (as far as I know) discovery.
It seems no-one was convinced, so I present the facts in a more
persuasive form below.
My thesis on female sexual behavior is this: ...
Written by a man? Oh dear.
[/quote]
Well (I assume you are a man), this is quite logical, as women can
hardly be trusted to be honest on this matter (from repeated
observation).
Rather than quote the whole thing, I will respond to your points by
index number:
1. This is true that women are wired to prefer higher-status men.
However, it's not a sufficient explanation by itself (I think) because
that doesn't explain why women's perception of status would be so
relative. Note that the young girls sometimes go with adult men that
would be considered of low status in the adult world, in agreement
with me - this is part of the motivation for statutory rape laws, but
I'm not comfortable with it because it seems like protecting women
from the competition of teenage girls, which they don't deserve.
2. Agreed save that 'whether she wants to have sex at all' can not be
considered an independent variable.
3 and 4. What reason do you have for believing this? I have read
enough experiences by women to know that these are true, I'm sorry no
specific examples come to mind but 'female sex tourism' is a known
phenomenon and probably the most extreme example of this.
5. This is the feminist line. Women's 'needs' are never met if she
doesn't want them to be!
6. Correct.
7. This is a real effect that can also be seen among men. What
explanation would you propose instead for the fact that women with
inherited wealth often, perhaps usually, marry men less wealthy, but
women with conventional high-income jobs rarely do?
8. This seems counterintuitive but is it not true when you survey
history that the institution of prostitution is negatively correlated
with looser sexual morals in general society? I imagine that women's
bargaining power with sex may be reduced, but her power with love (and
social expectation) is increased.
9. Women do not normally have sex just on 'availability'.
10. Saying that he is 'worth putting up with' seems circular to me.
[quote]I agree a woman is less likely to bargain by withholding sex from a
man if he can easily get it elsewhere, but earlier with the
prostitutes you said the availability of sex elsewhere increased a
woman's bargaining power? How do these two points tie in?
[/quote]
As with #8 above. When a man is interested in a women primarily for
sex, as high-status men generally are with lower-status women, her
bargaining power is decreased. When it is primarily for love or social
expectation, it is increased.
Thank you for taking the time to review my post.
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