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| Judity... |
 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:20 pm |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/29057
Since so many conservative Republicans lately seem to want to distance
themselves from the more moderate ones, could this be the beginning of
a new party officially called Conservatives
Personally, I think it's a great idea, but then I'm not a big fan of
Palin, Limbaugh, or Beck. As someone who was a Republican most of my
voting life, it really makes me sad to see how fractured that party
has become because of people like them.
I'm not a Democrat by any means and simply voted for President Obama
because he gave me hope that he is an honest politician. I know,
that's an oxymoron, but I still believe he means well.
So, would a new Conservative party be a good or bad idea?
Judity |
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| Barbara Carlson... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:13 pm |
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It would create a lot of problems with the elections, because the winner
must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party candidate
would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
Like you I am NOT a democrat. But I am also very much no longer a
Republican. I think what I am is a fiscally responsible liberal because I
strongly agree with many liberal issues as far as human issues are
concerned, but fiscally I am and always have been a conservative. I
actually admire McCain, but felt he was too old, and had no grasp of the
economic issues at the time, and then when he picked Palin for his Vice
President candidate he completely lose me.
A serious third party candidate may well be in the future, but it would
cause a lot of problems.
Barb C.
"Judity" <Judity01 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:95d12fc9-e335-46e9-85f6-a03fa4303c91 at (no spam) f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
[quote]http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/29057
Since so many conservative Republicans lately seem to want to distance
themselves from the more moderate ones, could this be the beginning of
a new party officially called Conservatives
Personally, I think it's a great idea, but then I'm not a big fan of
Palin, Limbaugh, or Beck. As someone who was a Republican most of my
voting life, it really makes me sad to see how fractured that party
has become because of people like them.
I'm not a Democrat by any means and simply voted for President Obama
because he gave me hope that he is an honest politician. I know,
that's an oxymoron, but I still believe he means well.
So, would a new Conservative party be a good or bad idea?
Judity
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| Petro Gibraltar... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:50 am |
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"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson at (no spam) snappydsl.net> wrote in message
news:VcednXyr59Auum_XnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d at (no spam) tampabaydsl.com...
[quote]It would create a lot of problems with the elections, because the winner
must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party
candidate would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
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Better go read the Constitution. There's no provision for a run-off. |
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| Judity... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:25 am |
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((We already had a fairly decent example of a three-party race in
1992,
when Perot ran. ))
That's when I stopped voting Republican and joined his Reform Party.
After that, I simply registered as an Independent.
Ross Perot was a hero of mine ever since I worked back in the 1970's
for his EDS. He's the type of person we need running our country, and
I have high hopes President Obama has some of his common sense.
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| Doug Jones... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:05 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:50:39 -0500, "Petro Gibraltar"
<Petro.Gibraltar at (no spam) a0l.com> wrote:
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"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson at (no spam) snappydsl.net> wrote in message
news:VcednXyr59Auum_XnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d at (no spam) tampabaydsl.com...
It would create a lot of problems with the elections, because the winner
must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party
candidate would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
Better go read the Constitution. There's no provision for a run-off.
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Exactly. It goes to the House of Representatives in that case. We
already had a fairly decent example of a three-party race in 1992,
when Perot ran.
The functional reality of creating a national party is more difficult
than many people believe. Consider that you have to create a party
organization in each of 50 states, each with slightly - or in some
cases major - different requirements for ballot access, along with
local parties. It's a tremendous amount of work, and past attempts
have usually fallen apart before getting a significant presence.
What's happening to the Republicans is that the wingnuts are trying to
take over the party, in the name of "ideological purity." The end
result of their actions is going to make the Republican Party a
minority regional party. |
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| Judity... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:44 am |
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[quote]I was a Perot fan, too, Judity, but then he went more than a little off the
wall with his paranoia--although maybe it was justified. �He did appear to
be a serious threat for a while, and there certainly are people who would
want to stop that at any cost.
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I think his reasons for dropping out might have been justified.
I remember when I spent two weeks on a business trip to his EDS
headquarters in Plano, Texas.
There were reports that men with guns were patrolling the large
grounds, although I never saw them.
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| Barbara Carlson... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:39 pm |
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You're right, and I know that, too. Been a while since I read it, which we
should all do from time to time.
I was a Perot fan, too, Judity, but then he went more than a little off the
wall with his paranoia--although maybe it was justified. He did appear to
be a serious threat for a while, and there certainly are people who would
want to stop that at any cost.
Barb C.
"Petro Gibraltar" <Petro.Gibraltar at (no spam) a0l.com> wrote in message
news:VryIm.1106$ET3.342 at (no spam) newsfe17.iad...
[quote]
"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson at (no spam) snappydsl.net> wrote in message
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It would create a lot of problems with the elections, because the winner
must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party
candidate would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
Better go read the Constitution. There's no provision for a run-off.[/quote] |
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| bob... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:16 pm |
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In article <VcednXyr59Auum_XnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d at (no spam) tampabaydsl.com>,
bbcarlson at (no spam) snappydsl.net says...
[quote]
It would create a lot of problems with the elections, because the winner
must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party candidate
would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
snip
A serious third party candidate may well be in the future, but it
would
cause a lot of problems.
Barb C.
[/quote]
Barb,
Why would a third party cause problems?
Bob/Texas |
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| bob... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:17 pm |
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In article <VryIm.1106$ET3.342 at (no spam) newsfe17.iad>, Petro.Gibraltar at (no spam) a0l.com
says...
[quote]
"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson at (no spam) snappydsl.net> wrote in message
news:VcednXyr59Auum_XnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d at (no spam) tampabaydsl.com...
It would create a lot of problems with the elections, because the winner
must have a majority of electoral votes, so a serious third party
candidate would almost certainly throw us into a run-off election.
Better go read the Constitution. There's no provision for a run-off.
[/quote]
There's also nothing requiring a two party system.
Bob/Texas |
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| bob... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:21 pm |
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In article <83q5f5lv6o081tgpbi6jesbah2llats995 at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
norbrookc at (no spam) spamlessfrontiernet.net says...
<snip>
[quote]The functional reality of creating a national party is more difficult
than many people believe. Consider that you have to create a party
organization in each of 50 states, each with slightly - or in some
cases major - different requirements for ballot access, along with
local parties. It's a tremendous amount of work, and past attempts
have usually fallen apart before getting a significant presence.
[/quote]
Correct. In many States, the rules are designed on purpose to protect
the current 2-party system by making it almost impossible for 3rd party
candidates to get on the ballot.
I can only see the SCOTUS getting involved if the rules effectively
disenfranchise many millions of people.
Bob/Texas |
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| LizzieB.... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:31 pm |
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bob wrote:
[quote]bbcarlson at (no spam) snappydsl.net says... <snip> A serious third party candidate may well be in the future, but it would cause a lot of problems.
Barb C.
Why would a third party cause problems?
Heh. My male protagonist is gearing up to take on the challenge of[/quote]
getting to the White House on a third-party ticket.
--
LizzieB.
After six years of MT, I've caught a suspicious case of ennui.
This is how I've been amusing myself in my MT malaise:
http://theproviso.com
http://b10mediaworx.com
To mail, replace the k with an x. |
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| Barbara Carlson... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:38 pm |
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[quote]
Barb,
Why would a third party cause problems?
Bob/Texas
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I think there have been several listed here. The difficulty of
organization, getting candidates on the ballot, and the fact that there
would not likely be a majority and the election going to the House, and
that's just a start. And whose to say enough people could agree to
accomplish all that.
Barb C. |
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| LizzieB.... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:51 pm |
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Barbara Carlson wrote:
[quote]Barb,
Why would a third party cause problems?
Bob/Texas
I think there have been several listed here. The difficulty of
organization, getting candidates on the ballot, and the fact that there
would not likely be a majority and the election going to the House, and
that's just a start. And whose to say enough people could agree to
accomplish all that.
Barb C.
Personally, I think we're ripe for one, and not that half-assed paranoid[/quote]
semipseudo attempt of that freak Perot, either.
--
LizzieB.
After six years of MT, I've caught a suspicious case of ennui.
This is how I've been amusing myself in my MT malaise:
http://theproviso.com
http://b10mediaworx.com
To mail, replace the k with an x. |
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| Karen C.... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:41 pm |
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LizzieB. wrote:
[quote]Personally, I think we're ripe for one
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I think so too.
, and not that half-assed paranoid
[quote]semipseudo attempt of that freak Perot, either.
[/quote]
LOL!
Karen C. |
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| Karen C.... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:42 pm |
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LizzieB. wrote:
[quote]Heh. My male protagonist is gearing up to take on the challenge of
getting to the White House on a third-party ticket.
[/quote]
And who might that be?
Karen C. |
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