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| b o no... |
 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:02 pm |
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A hidden socialist agenda of global governance and wealth distribution ...
I, for one, would not like to have my lifestyle dictated to by some third
world socialist bureaucrat on the other side of the planet.
Would you?
November 5 2009
The revolt begins. Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi warns his colleagues to
fight the Copenhagen treaty that KRudd wants - warning of the billions we'll
power and the powers we'll surrender. His letter:
Dear colleagues
As some of you may be aware, the KRudd Government, is being asked to sign a
treaty at the Copenhagen climate conference. Most Australians know nothing
about the consequences of our nation agreeing to this draft treaty.
The detail of the draft treaty has been hidden away and only now are we
becoming aware of the implications for our economy, society and sovereignty
if Australia signs it in a month's time.
By signing this treaty, we are effectively putting aspects of Australia's
sovereignty, economy and future prosperity in the hands of an unelected body
that is not accountable to the Australian people.
On 3 November I raised questions about the draft treaty on my blog and the
initial potential $7 billion annual cost to taxpayers. In response I have
received hundreds of emails from all over Australia expressing their
concerns.
I note that Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt and Janet Albrechtson have also
commented on this matter.
Below are some of the points that have come to light recently about the
Copenhagen draft treaty (phrases in brackets are yet to be finalised):
· The treaty will require developed countries, including Australia, to
"compensate for damage to the LDCs' economy and also compensate for lost
opportunities, resources, lives, land and dignity, as many will become
environmental refugees."
(LDC refers to developing countries).
· According to the current draft, the scale of this financial support "must
be [at least USD 67 billion] [in the range of USD 70-140 billion] per year."
· The treaty also states that "[Financial resources of the 'Convention
Adaptation Fund'][may][shall] include: (a) Assessed contributions [of at
least 0.7% of the annual GDP of developed country Parties]." That equates to
about $7 billion a year from the Australian economy.
· The funds will be managed by a board where possibly only one of the nine
seats will be held by industrialised nations - the nations that will be
contributing the most money. In reality, Australia will have little or no
say as to how our annual $7 billion contribution is spent.
· The treaty also makes provision for the board to "impose financial
penalties, at a minimum of ten times the market price of carbon, for any
emissions in excess of the level implied by the emissions reduction
commitment." So the treaty gives the board the power to take more money from
Australian taxpayers for excess emissions, which could run into the billions
depending on the price of carbon.
· Fines can also be imposed on countries like Australia for
"non-compliance.with their commitments to reduce emissions and provide
support in the form of financial resources, technology transfer and
capacity-building."
· The treaty will create a new government: "The scheme for the new
institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic
pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism." Has
anyone stopped to realise how much it will cost to run and administer this
new government?
This is what is being discussed by the negotiators.
This is not conjecture or speculation, it's in the very wording of the
treaty.
These words will be on the negotiating table at Copenhagen and they are
getting closer to becoming reality.
And yet we've heard virtually nothing about these details until now.
Why weren't the Australian people informed about this earlier?
This is a draft that presumably both KRudd and Penny Wrong have read, so
they should be aware of what they are getting Australia into. And yet they
have said nothing about these requirements.
It begs the question: if KRudd and Penny Wrong have failed to bring these
details to light, what else might they be hiding int heir climate change
policy agenda?
Surely the Australian public, as the ones that will be footing the annual
cost under this treaty, have the right to know about the consequences of
signing at Copenhagen.
Just as they need to know about the terrible cost of their proposed new CPRS
tax.
It is worth noting that while legislative change related to the treaty would
have to be debated in Parliament, KRudd has the executive authority to take
the initial step of signing the treaty and committing Australia to the above
requirements - without the consent of Parliament.
The Coalition needs to take a stand in order to protect Australia's
sovereignty and economic prosperity. Signing this treaty without full
knowledge of the consequences and implications is irresponsible in the
extreme.
We need to voice our strong opposition to this treaty as part of exposing
the KRudd as being more interested in ingratiating himself with the
international community than looking after Australia's national interest.
The Australian people deserve nothing less from the coalition.
You can download a copy of the draft treaty at the following link
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2009/awglca7/eng/inf02.pdf
Should you have any questions please contact me.
Regards
Cory
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_warming_to_his_colleagues/
Warmest Regards
Bon z0
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville |
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| Seon Ferguson... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:48 am |
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Govshill 2 this is why I am against Copenhagen. I'm not good at putting
things in my own words but these are pretty good reasons to be against it.
"b o no" <c at (no spam) a.com> wrote in message news:4af24047$1 at (no spam) dnews.tpgi.com.au...
[quote]
A hidden socialist agenda of global governance and wealth distribution ...
I, for one, would not like to have my lifestyle dictated to by some third
world socialist bureaucrat on the other side of the planet.
Would you?
November 5 2009
The revolt begins. Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi warns his colleagues to
fight the Copenhagen treaty that KRudd wants - warning of the billions
we'll power and the powers we'll surrender. His letter:
Dear colleagues
As some of you may be aware, the KRudd Government, is being asked to sign
a treaty at the Copenhagen climate conference. Most Australians know
nothing about the consequences of our nation agreeing to this draft
treaty.
The detail of the draft treaty has been hidden away and only now are we
becoming aware of the implications for our economy, society and
sovereignty if Australia signs it in a month's time.
By signing this treaty, we are effectively putting aspects of Australia's
sovereignty, economy and future prosperity in the hands of an unelected
body that is not accountable to the Australian people.
On 3 November I raised questions about the draft treaty on my blog and the
initial potential $7 billion annual cost to taxpayers. In response I have
received hundreds of emails from all over Australia expressing their
concerns.
I note that Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt and Janet Albrechtson have also
commented on this matter.
Below are some of the points that have come to light recently about the
Copenhagen draft treaty (phrases in brackets are yet to be finalised):
· The treaty will require developed countries, including Australia, to
"compensate for damage to the LDCs' economy and also compensate for lost
opportunities, resources, lives, land and dignity, as many will become
environmental refugees."
(LDC refers to developing countries).
· According to the current draft, the scale of this financial support
"must be [at least USD 67 billion] [in the range of USD 70-140 billion]
per year."
· The treaty also states that "[Financial resources of the 'Convention
Adaptation Fund'][may][shall] include: (a) Assessed contributions [of at
least 0.7% of the annual GDP of developed country Parties]." That equates
to about $7 billion a year from the Australian economy.
· The funds will be managed by a board where possibly only one of the nine
seats will be held by industrialised nations - the nations that will be
contributing the most money. In reality, Australia will have little or no
say as to how our annual $7 billion contribution is spent.
· The treaty also makes provision for the board to "impose financial
penalties, at a minimum of ten times the market price of carbon, for any
emissions in excess of the level implied by the emissions reduction
commitment." So the treaty gives the board the power to take more money
from Australian taxpayers for excess emissions, which could run into the
billions depending on the price of carbon.
· Fines can also be imposed on countries like Australia for
"non-compliance.with their commitments to reduce emissions and provide
support in the form of financial resources, technology transfer and
capacity-building."
· The treaty will create a new government: "The scheme for the new
institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three
basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial
mechanism." Has anyone stopped to realise how much it will cost to run and
administer this new government?
This is what is being discussed by the negotiators.
This is not conjecture or speculation, it's in the very wording of the
treaty.
These words will be on the negotiating table at Copenhagen and they are
getting closer to becoming reality.
And yet we've heard virtually nothing about these details until now.
Why weren't the Australian people informed about this earlier?
This is a draft that presumably both KRudd and Penny Wrong have read, so
they should be aware of what they are getting Australia into. And yet they
have said nothing about these requirements.
It begs the question: if KRudd and Penny Wrong have failed to bring these
details to light, what else might they be hiding int heir climate change
policy agenda?
Surely the Australian public, as the ones that will be footing the annual
cost under this treaty, have the right to know about the consequences of
signing at Copenhagen.
Just as they need to know about the terrible cost of their proposed new
CPRS tax.
It is worth noting that while legislative change related to the treaty
would have to be debated in Parliament, KRudd has the executive authority
to take the initial step of signing the treaty and committing Australia to
the above requirements - without the consent of Parliament.
The Coalition needs to take a stand in order to protect Australia's
sovereignty and economic prosperity. Signing this treaty without full
knowledge of the consequences and implications is irresponsible in the
extreme.
We need to voice our strong opposition to this treaty as part of exposing
the KRudd as being more interested in ingratiating himself with the
international community than looking after Australia's national interest.
The Australian people deserve nothing less from the coalition.
You can download a copy of the draft treaty at the following link
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2009/awglca7/eng/inf02.pdf
Should you have any questions please contact me.
Regards
Cory
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_warming_to_his_colleagues/
Warmest Regards
Bon z0
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that
is distinct from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
Townsville
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b o no wrote:
[quote]A hidden socialist agenda of global governance and wealth distribution ...
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2 + 2 = fast food:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567332/Kevin-Rudds-ear-wax-snack-a-hit-on-YouTube.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2083335/Australian-Prime-Minister-Kevin-Rudd-blames-mystery-illness-on-fast-food-snack.html
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I, for one, would not like to have my lifestyle dictated to by some third
world socialist bureaucrat on the other side of the planet.
Would you?
November 5 2009
The revolt begins. Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi warns his colleagues to
fight the Copenhagen treaty that KRudd wants - warning of the billions we'll
power and the powers we'll surrender. His letter:
Dear colleagues
As some of you may be aware, the KRudd Government, is being asked to sign a
treaty at the Copenhagen climate conference. Most Australians know nothing
about the consequences of our nation agreeing to this draft treaty.
The detail of the draft treaty has been hidden away and only now are we
becoming aware of the implications for our economy, society and sovereignty
if Australia signs it in a month's time.
By signing this treaty, we are effectively putting aspects of Australia's
sovereignty, economy and future prosperity in the hands of an unelected body
that is not accountable to the Australian people.
On 3 November I raised questions about the draft treaty on my blog and the
initial potential $7 billion annual cost to taxpayers. In response I have
received hundreds of emails from all over Australia expressing their
concerns.
I note that Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt and Janet Albrechtson have also
commented on this matter.
Below are some of the points that have come to light recently about the
Copenhagen draft treaty (phrases in brackets are yet to be finalised):
· The treaty will require developed countries, including Australia, to
"compensate for damage to the LDCs' economy and also compensate for lost
opportunities, resources, lives, land and dignity, as many will become
environmental refugees."
(LDC refers to developing countries).
· According to the current draft, the scale of this financial support "must
be [at least USD 67 billion] [in the range of USD 70-140 billion] per year."
· The treaty also states that "[Financial resources of the 'Convention
Adaptation Fund'][may][shall] include: (a) Assessed contributions [of at
least 0.7% of the annual GDP of developed country Parties]." That equates to
about $7 billion a year from the Australian economy.
· The funds will be managed by a board where possibly only one of the nine
seats will be held by industrialised nations - the nations that will be
contributing the most money. In reality, Australia will have little or no
say as to how our annual $7 billion contribution is spent.
· The treaty also makes provision for the board to "impose financial
penalties, at a minimum of ten times the market price of carbon, for any
emissions in excess of the level implied by the emissions reduction
commitment." So the treaty gives the board the power to take more money from
Australian taxpayers for excess emissions, which could run into the billions
depending on the price of carbon.
· Fines can also be imposed on countries like Australia for
"non-compliance.with their commitments to reduce emissions and provide
support in the form of financial resources, technology transfer and
capacity-building."
· The treaty will create a new government: "The scheme for the new
institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic
pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism." Has
anyone stopped to realise how much it will cost to run and administer this
new government?
This is what is being discussed by the negotiators.
This is not conjecture or speculation, it's in the very wording of the
treaty.
These words will be on the negotiating table at Copenhagen and they are
getting closer to becoming reality.
And yet we've heard virtually nothing about these details until now.
Why weren't the Australian people informed about this earlier?
This is a draft that presumably both KRudd and Penny Wrong have read, so
they should be aware of what they are getting Australia into. And yet they
have said nothing about these requirements.
It begs the question: if KRudd and Penny Wrong have failed to bring these
details to light, what else might they be hiding int heir climate change
policy agenda?
Surely the Australian public, as the ones that will be footing the annual
cost under this treaty, have the right to know about the consequences of
signing at Copenhagen.
Just as they need to know about the terrible cost of their proposed new CPRS
tax.
It is worth noting that while legislative change related to the treaty would
have to be debated in Parliament, KRudd has the executive authority to take
the initial step of signing the treaty and committing Australia to the above
requirements - without the consent of Parliament.
The Coalition needs to take a stand in order to protect Australia's
sovereignty and economic prosperity. Signing this treaty without full
knowledge of the consequences and implications is irresponsible in the
extreme.
We need to voice our strong opposition to this treaty as part of exposing
the KRudd as being more interested in ingratiating himself with the
international community than looking after Australia's national interest.
The Australian people deserve nothing less from the coalition.
You can download a copy of the draft treaty at the following link
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2009/awglca7/eng/inf02.pdf
Should you have any questions please contact me.
Regards
Cory
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_warming_to_his_colleagues/
Warmest Regards
Bon z0
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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"b o no" <c at (no spam) a.com> wrote more bullshit from termonuclear/oil/coal lobby from
the other side of the planet in message news:4af24047$1 at (no spam) dnews.tpgi.com.au...
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A hidden socialist agenda of global governance and wealth distribution ...
I, for one, would not like to have my lifestyle dictated to by some third
world socialist bureaucrat on the other side of the planet.
Would you?
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More bullshit from termonuclear/oil/coal lobby from the other side of the
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