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| Clave... |
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"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Clave wrote:
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to be
funded with Chinese loans.
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Source?
Jim |
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:22 pm |
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Clave wrote
[quote]John Galt <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Clave wrote
Fred Weiss <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to be funded with Chinese loans.
Source?
[/quote]
Straight from his arse. You can tell from the smell. |
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| John Galt... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:43 pm |
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Clave wrote:
[quote]"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to be
funded with Chinese loans.
Source?
[/quote]
The Medicare Trustees. Dude, this is as close to common knowledge as you
can get. It's been discussed by Congress for at least a decade, with
neither party disputing the facts of the matter, just how to deal with
it (or kick the can down the road.)
This 04 article puts the insolvency date at 2019. That date has been
pulled in significantly because of the financial crisis:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/23/politics/main608201.shtml
This article quotes the current insolvency date at 2017, and points out
that changes in the Medicare Advantage funding mechanism (if they pass
in the final health care legislation) will pull the date in even more
(which is where the 2015 estimate comes from. The CBO won't formally
score the new date until after the final legislation passes, but they
have warned that sharing that funding mechanism will draw the date in.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/nov/01/debate-over-merits-reform-has-distinct-campaign-fl/
For a more detailed (and mind-numbing) analysis on the solvency of both
programs, the paper commissioned by Paul O'Neill (which eventually got
him fired, because he didn't want to shut up about it like Bush wanted
him to) is here:
http://www.aei.org/docLib/20030723_SmettersFinalCC.pdf
JG
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Jim
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:52 pm |
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John Galt wrote
[quote]Clave wrote
John Galt <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Clave wrote
Fred Weiss <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote Rod Speed <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to be funded with Chinese loans.
Source?
The Medicare Trustees.
[/quote]
Bare faced lie. They have never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that.
[quote]Dude, this is as close to common knowledge as you can get.
[/quote]
Dud, another bare faced lie.
[quote]It's been discussed by Congress for at least a decade,
with neither party disputing the facts of the matter, just how to deal with it (or kick the can down the road.)
[/quote]
Another bare faced lie.
[quote]This 04 article puts the insolvency date at 2019.
[/quote]
Just because some fool claims that, doesnt make it gospel.
[quote]That date has been pulled in significantly because of the financial crisis:
[/quote]
Another bare faced lie.
[quote]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/23/politics/main608201.shtml
This article quotes the current insolvency date at 2017,
[/quote]
Just because some fool claims that, doesnt make it gospel.
[quote]and points out that changes in the Medicare Advantage funding mechanism (if they pass in the final health care
legislation) will pull the date in even more (which is where the 2015 estimate comes from.
[/quote]
Just because some fool claims that, doesnt make it gospel.
[quote]The CBO won't formally score the new date until after the final legislation passes,
but they have warned that sharing that funding mechanism will draw the date in.
[/quote]
Nothing like your original lie.
[quote]http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/nov/01/debate-over-merits-reform-has-distinct-campaign-fl/
For a more detailed (and mind-numbing) analysis on the solvency of
both programs, the paper commissioned by Paul O'Neill (which
eventually got him fired, because he didn't want to shut up about it
like Bush wanted him to) is here:
http://www.aei.org/docLib/20030723_SmettersFinalCC.pdf
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Just because some fool claims that, doesnt make it gospel. |
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| Clave... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:01 am |
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[quote]Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to
be funded with Chinese loans.
Source?
The Medicare Trustees. Dude, this is as close to common knowledge as you
can get...
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Kinda thot so. Predicated entirely on whether or not it continues
completely as it was five years ago.
You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health insurance
reform plan, right?
Jim |
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| John Galt... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:23 am |
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Clave wrote:
[quote]"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to
be funded with Chinese loans.
Source?
The Medicare Trustees. Dude, this is as close to common knowledge as you
can get...
Kinda thot so. Predicated entirely on whether or not it continues
completely as it was five years ago.
You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health insurance
reform plan, right?
[/quote]
I am. The effect on medicare solvency is inappreciable. The changes
simply move money from one pocket to the other. The dates remain the
same, for all intents and purposes.
As long as we're funding the military for the entire world, we're using
the money that any other nation would use for health care for other
purposes. That's why Austria and Germany and Japan can afford it and we
can't.
If we were prudent, we'd be talking in terms of high-deductible plans
for both Medicare and the public (immediately solving the problems of
basic preventative care and medical bankruptcy), and then improving
those plans over time IF (big IF) the government ever becomes fiscally
responsible again.
JG |
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| Clave... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:32 am |
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[quote]Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to
be funded with Chinese loans.
Source?
The Medicare Trustees. Dude, this is as close to common knowledge as
you can get...
Kinda thot so. Predicated entirely on whether or not it continues
completely as it was five years ago.
You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health
insurance reform plan, right?
I am. The effect on medicare solvency is inappreciable. The changes simply
move money from one pocket to the other. The dates remain the same, for
all intents and purposes.
[/quote]
Because you say so?
Sell it somewhere else.
Jim |
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:24 am |
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Shrikeback wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 8:35 pm, Shrikeback <shrikeb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:12 am, hal wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:55:59 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback
shrikeb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:45=A0pm, hal wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:32:38 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCah... at (no spam) peoplepc.com> wrote:
If not, then what's the problem?
In fact, what's the problem if they _do_ opt out?
a lot of poor do not get the health care they need.
No. That's what Medicaid and Schip are for.
The public option is for forcing the middle class
onto a gummint program, and to force the poor
elderly off their Medicare Advantage supplemental
insuranc so they can submit, and line up at the
Soylent Green factory. It's the patriotic thing to
do.
you're full of shit
Just what do you think the cuts in Medicare Advantage
are all about? Giving Granny the best that the SEIU
has to offer?
And clearly, since there is no provision to increase the
supply of medical labor in this bill, it will neccessarily
treat medical access as a zero sum game.
[/quote]
Mindlessly silly. Those getting medical services they currently
have to do without will see more delivering those services.
[quote]The only way person X can get more is for person
Y to get less. From granny to somebody.
[/quote]
Mindlessly superficial. Increased demand for medical
services will see more delivering those medical services.
[quote]Now, the other problem is that we already
have programs that take care of the poor.
[/quote]
Very inadequately.
[quote]It is not the poor this will affect most. Someone estimated
that of the 47, or 30 (according to Obama's infamous
healthcare speech) million who cain't get no coverage,
only about 5 million make less than 50K a year. Anyone
who makes over 50K a year can get coverage.
[/quote]
Those that dont have coverage have decided they dont
need it and they are mostly correct in that judgement when
they are young and healthy and dont have any kids etc.
[quote]Perhaps they'd like a tax break to help out, but they can.
Someone else estimated that millions would soon enough be
forced off their private plans, in spite of marketing to the contrary.
[/quote]
Thats just another lie.
[quote]But only the incredibly credulous believe the marketing.
[/quote]
And only fools believe the lies like that one just above.
[quote]Not one red cent will be added to the deficit too, uh huh.
[/quote]
No reason why it should be, and even if that does happen,
thats no big deal with the immense deficit already there.
[quote]There's a leftard born every minute.
[/quote]
And there's pathological lying rightards born much more often than that.
[quote]So, anyway, it isn't about covering the poor, it's about
getting another federal gummint tumor growing.
[/quote]
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland. |
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:35 am |
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John Galt wrote:
[quote]Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ykyIm.322733$y84.296916 at (no spam) en-nntp-04.am2.easynews.com...
Clave wrote:
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:4592c300-703a-42e8-9d67-500f97231319 at (no spam) r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will
start to be funded with Chinese loans.
Source?
The Medicare Trustees. Dude, this is as close to common knowledge
as you can get...
Kinda thot so. Predicated entirely on whether or not it continues
completely as it was five years ago.
You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health
insurance reform plan, right?
I am. The effect on medicare solvency is inappreciable. The changes
simply move money from one pocket to the other. The dates remain the
same, for all intents and purposes.
As long as we're funding the military for the entire world,
[/quote]
The US isnt.
[quote]we're using the money that any other nation would use for health care for other purposes.
[/quote]
Another pig ignorant lie. The US pisses a MUCH bigger
percentage of its GDP on health care than ANY OTHER
MODERN FIRST OR SECOND WORLD COUNTRY and
what is spent on the military is a small subset on that too.
[quote]That's why Austria and Germany and Japan can afford it and we can't.
[/quote]
Another pig ignorant lie. Austria and Germany and Japan spend
HALF the percentage of GDP on health care than the US does, fool.
[quote]If we were prudent, we'd be talking in terms of high-deductible plans for both Medicare and the public (immediately
solving the problems of basic preventative care and medical bankruptcy),
[/quote]
Nope, because the premiums would STILL be unaffordable for most.
[quote]and then improving those plans over time IF (big IF) the government ever becomes fiscally responsible again.
[/quote]
Mindlessly silly. |
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| John Galt... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:05 am |
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Clave wrote:
[quote]"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:4592c300-703a-42e8-9d67-500f97231319 at (no spam) r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to
be funded with Chinese loans.
Source?
The Medicare Trustees. Dude, this is as close to common knowledge as
you can get...
Kinda thot so. Predicated entirely on whether or not it continues
completely as it was five years ago.
You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health
insurance reform plan, right?
I am. The effect on medicare solvency is inappreciable. The changes simply
move money from one pocket to the other. The dates remain the same, for
all intents and purposes.
Because you say so?
[/quote]
Because the CBO says so.
[quote]
Sell it somewhere else.
[/quote]
You're the one who asked. Don't get your knickers in a snit because you
got a rational answer you didn't like.
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| Clave... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:35 am |
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[quote]Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
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<...>
[quote]You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health
insurance reform plan, right?
I am. The effect on medicare solvency is inappreciable. The changes
simply move money from one pocket to the other. The dates remain the
same, for all intents and purposes.
Because you say so?
Because the CBO says so.
[/quote]
The CBO says Medicare reform can't change their projected insolvency dates?
How remarkably prescient of them. I sure didn't read that in anything you
cited, though.
But do go ahead an believe whatever fortune-telling you find comforting.
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| John Galt... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:43 am |
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Clave wrote:
[quote]"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
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You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health
insurance reform plan, right?
I am. The effect on medicare solvency is inappreciable. The changes
simply move money from one pocket to the other. The dates remain the
same, for all intents and purposes.
Because you say so?
Because the CBO says so.
The CBO says Medicare reform can't change their projected insolvency dates?
[/quote]
No. The CBO has been silent on any sort of change in the insolvency date
in their analyses. It is therefore logical to assume that there is no
change in the insolvency dates.
That aside, a few years in either direction isn't the point; if the bill
did postpone insolvency for a few years, that's simply kicking the can
down the road on the matter.
[quote]
How remarkably prescient of them. I sure didn't read that in anything you
cited, though.
[/quote]
Nor did you read anything to the contrary.
[quote]
But do go ahead an believe whatever fortune-telling you find comforting.
[/quote]
I prefer to stick to the facts on the ground that exist. YMMV, and does,
evidently.
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| Clave... |
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[quote]Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clave wrote:
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You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health
insurance reform plan, right?
I am. The effect on medicare solvency is inappreciable. The changes
simply move money from one pocket to the other. The dates remain the
same, for all intents and purposes.
Because you say so?
Because the CBO says so.
The CBO says Medicare reform can't change their projected insolvency
dates?
No. The CBO has been silent on any sort of change in the insolvency date
in their analyses. It is therefore logical to assume that there is no
change in the insolvency dates.
[/quote]
Actually, that's about the *furthest* thing from logical there is.
[quote]That aside, a few years in either direction isn't the point; if the bill
did postpone insolvency for a few years, that's simply kicking the can
down the road on the matter.
How remarkably prescient of them. I sure didn't read that in anything
you cited, though.
Nor did you read anything to the contrary.
[/quote]
Your command of logic continues to amaze.
[quote]But do go ahead an believe whatever fortune-telling you find comforting.
I prefer to stick to the facts on the ground that exist. YMMV, and does,
evidently.
[/quote]
One fact on the ground being that you're full of shit.
Doubtless your perception varies.
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| Shrikeback... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:33 pm |
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On Nov 5, 10:24 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Shrikeback wrote:
Just what do you think the cuts in Medicare Advantage
are all about? Giving Granny the best that the SEIU
has to offer?
And clearly, since there is no provision to increase the
supply of medical labor in this bill, it will neccessarily
treat medical access as a zero sum game.
Mindlessly silly. Those getting medical services they currently
have to do without will see more delivering those services.
[/quote]
Really? How is that going to happen? Are
Doctors and Surgeons going to suddenly
materialize out of the Large Hadron Collider
simply because we passed some goofy
boondoggle?
[quote]The only way person X can get more is for person
Y to get less. From granny to somebody.
Mindlessly superficial. Increased demand for medical
services will see more delivering those medical services.
[/quote]
No. There is no plan to increase the number of
Doctors produced by the med schools in this
country whatsoever. The number of graduates
produced in the US, you must understand, is
very tightly controlled. This is why medical services
are so much more expensive here, relative to
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| Les Cargill... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:59 pm |
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John Galt wrote:
[quote]Clave wrote:
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Clave wrote:
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You are aware that reforming Medicare is part of the larger health
insurance reform plan, right?
I am. The effect on medicare solvency is inappreciable. The changes
simply move money from one pocket to the other. The dates remain
the same, for all intents and purposes.
Because you say so?
Because the CBO says so.
The CBO says Medicare reform can't change their projected insolvency
dates?
No. The CBO has been silent on any sort of change in the insolvency date
in their analyses. It is therefore logical to assume that there is no
change in the insolvency dates.
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Peter Orzag says a thing of two on Charlie Rose from NOV-03...the core
of it is that they expect reductions in health care costs for
government by whatever results from the health care reform.
[quote]That aside, a few years in either direction isn't the point; if the bill
did postpone insolvency for a few years, that's simply kicking the can
down the road on the matter.
How remarkably prescient of them. I sure didn't read that in anything
you cited, though.
Nor did you read anything to the contrary.
But do go ahead an believe whatever fortune-telling you find comforting.
I prefer to stick to the facts on the ground that exist. YMMV, and does,
evidently.
JG
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