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| Bret Cahill... |
 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:33 am |
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[quote]don't spree with everyone else's money.
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I don't see anyone holding a gun to anyone's head forcing anyone to to
remain in the collectively acquired collectively defended territory of
the United States and pay taxes.
You are free to choose to leave anytime.
Call 1-800-FLY-4-LESS and book the next one way flight to Mogadishu in
low tax paradise Somalia.
We don't need rightards.
We don't want rightards.
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| Bret Cahill... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:36 am |
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[quote]When they continually talk about needing "greater efficiency" in order
to "control costs", you can be pretty sure costs are in fact *out of
control*.
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Well don't keep us settin' on the edges of our chairs.
What is the Repugliar solution?
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| Bret Cahill... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:41 am |
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[quote]And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Medicare?
Nothing at all - so long as we're willing to either (1) bankrupt the
country
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The public option will cut costs by half.
[quote]or (2) start rationing care in major ways.
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We _already_ ration health care.
The only question is how it's rationed.
Repugliars only want the rich to have health care.
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| Clave... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:04 am |
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"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:4592c300-703a-42e8-9d67-500f97231319 at (no spam) r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
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What do you think is wrong with it?
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| John Galt... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:06 am |
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Clave wrote:
[quote]"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:4592c300-703a-42e8-9d67-500f97231319 at (no spam) r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 3:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
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Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to
be funded with Chinese loans.
JG
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Jim
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:12 am |
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:55:59 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback
<shrikeback at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 7:45=A0pm, hal wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:32:38 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCah... at (no spam) peoplepc.com> wrote:
If not, then what's the problem?
In fact, what's the problem if they _do_ opt out?
a lot of poor do not get the health care they need.
No. That's what Medicaid and Schip are for.
The public option is for forcing the middle class
onto a gummint program, and to force the poor
elderly off their Medicare Advantage supplemental
insuranc so they can submit, and line up at the
Soylent Green factory. It's the patriotic thing to
do.
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you're full of shit. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:13 am |
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:05:11 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback
<shrikeback at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 8:05=A0pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
If not, then what's the problem?
In fact, what's the problem if they _do_ opt out?
a lot of poor do not get the health care they need.
Maybe they need to recall them Repug governors ASAP!
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic
option. America is a free people, and you can't
force us to kneel down and pray to a bunch of
pubes anyway. We can save time and opt out
completely, saving us all from the nastiness of
any more harebrained leftard schemes. Change.
Embrace it. Love it. Or leave. I hear Canada's
taking applications.
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You're insane. There is nothing about any of this that will force
people into medical care they don't want. You are a paranoid freak. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:13 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:00:35 -0800 (PST), Fred Weiss
<fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 3:35=A0am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. =A0There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
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actually, medicare works fine. My Dad just spent the last several
years of his life being helped by Medicare.
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Then look at the demographics and imagine what it will look like in
the future.
When they continually talk about needing "greater efficiency" in order
to "control costs", you can be pretty sure costs are in fact *out of
control*. And will only get worse.
So, with that great success under their belt, now they want to herd
the rest of the population onto a similar train wreck.
Fred Weiss
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:30 pm |
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Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote
[quote]Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDam... at (no spam) cablespeed.com> wrote
Fred Weiss <fredwe... at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
What's "wrong" with Medicare is fraud perpetrated by such as the Frist
family -- yes, that Frist, you know, Bill "Dr. Video" Frist. The same
week Frist was sworn in as Senate Majority Leader, his family's
business pais a $600 million fine for Medicare fraud -- and that was
not their only such fine.
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There will always be fraud in any system, stupid.
Least he did get caught and fined. |
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:48 pm |
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Fred Weiss wrote
[quote]Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDam... at (no spam) cablespeed.com> wrote
Fred Weiss <fredwe... at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Medicare?
Nothing at all - so long as we're willing to either (1) bankrupt the country
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Mindless lie. Halving the percentage of GDP spent on health care cant bankrupt the country, stupid.
[quote]or (2) start rationing care in major ways.
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Corse there isnt any rationing of health care in the US currently, eh liar ? |
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:52 pm |
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John Galt wrote
[quote]Clave wrote
Fred Weiss <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote Rod Speed <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
What do you think is wrong with it?
Well, for one thing, sometime in the next five years, it will start to be funded with Chinese loans.
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Nope, essentially because the huge legal and illegal immigration
rate will ensure that there are plenty of new tax payers to pay for
the care of the boomers who mostly do have plenty of assets.
Only the fools that were stupid enough to rent for 'life' dont. |
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:54 pm |
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Fred Weiss wrote
[quote]Rod Speed <rod.speed.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Shrikeback wrote
Ah, don't worry. There isn't going to be a pubic option.
There already is. Its called Medicare, fuckwit.
And wow, look what great shape it's in.
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Hell of a lot better than things would be without it.
[quote]Then look at the demographics and imagine what it will look like in the future.
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It'll be fine while ever the US continues with the current huge legal and illegal immigration rate.
[quote]When they continually talk about needing "greater efficiency"
in order to "control costs", you can be pretty sure costs are
in fact *out of control*. And will only get worse.
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Corse that never ever happens in the non medicare system, eh ?
[quote]So, with that great success under their belt, now they want
to herd the rest of the population onto a similar train wreck.
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The only train wreck is in your pathetic little drug crazed imagination. |
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| Shrikeback... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:33 pm |
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On Nov 5, 6:33 am, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]don't spree with everyone else's money.
I don't see anyone holding a gun to anyone's head forcing anyone to to
remain in the collectively acquired collectively defended territory of
the United States and pay taxes.
You are free to choose to leave anytime.
Call 1-800-FLY-4-LESS and book the next one way flight to Mogadishu in
low tax paradise Somalia.
We don't need rightards.
We don't want rightards.
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Well, good. Then you need to join the Cause for
Free Speech for the Working Class and volunteer
for a six month internship in a North Korean labor
camp. No need to be such a narcissistic egoist,
Give until it bleeds, I always say. |
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| Shrikeback... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:35 pm |
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On Nov 5, 5:12 am, hal wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:55:59 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback
shrikeb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:45=A0pm, hal wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:32:38 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCah... at (no spam) peoplepc.com> wrote:
If not, then what's the problem?
In fact, what's the problem if they _do_ opt out?
a lot of poor do not get the health care they need.
No. That's what Medicaid and Schip are for.
The public option is for forcing the middle class
onto a gummint program, and to force the poor
elderly off their Medicare Advantage supplemental
insuranc so they can submit, and line up at the
Soylent Green factory. It's the patriotic thing to
do.
you're full of shit
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Just what do you think the cuts in Medicare Advantage
are all about? Giving Granny the best that the SEIU
has to offer? |
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| Shrikeback... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:50 pm |
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On Nov 5, 8:35 pm, Shrikeback <shrikeb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 5:12 am, hal wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:55:59 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback
shrikeb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:45=A0pm, hal wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:32:38 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCah... at (no spam) peoplepc.com> wrote:
If not, then what's the problem?
In fact, what's the problem if they _do_ opt out?
a lot of poor do not get the health care they need.
No. That's what Medicaid and Schip are for.
The public option is for forcing the middle class
onto a gummint program, and to force the poor
elderly off their Medicare Advantage supplemental
insuranc so they can submit, and line up at the
Soylent Green factory. It's the patriotic thing to
do.
you're full of shit
Just what do you think the cuts in Medicare Advantage
are all about? Giving Granny the best that the SEIU
has to offer?
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And clearly, since there is no provision to increase
the supply of medical labor in this bill, it will neccessarily
treat medical access as a zero sum game. The only
way person X can get more is for person Y to get less.
From granny to somebody. Now, the other problem is
that we already have programs that take care of the poor.
It is not the poor this will affect most. Someone estimated
that of the 47, or 30 (according to Obama's infamous
healthcare speech) million who cain't get no coverage,
only about 5 million make less than 50K a year. Anyone
who makes over 50K a year can get coverage. Perhaps
they'd like a tax break to help out, but they can. Someone
else estimated that millions would soon enough be forced
off their private plans, in spite of marketing to the contrary.
But only the incredibly credulous believe the marketing.
Not one red cent will be added to the deficit too, uh huh.
There's a leftard born every minute.
So, anyway, it isn't about covering the poor, it's about
getting another federal gummint tumor growing. |
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