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| 2.7182818284590...... |
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IMO: Germanic was VERY widespread during the Roman Empire
Slavic language was only introduced to the Balkans around the end of
the Roman Empire (around 500 AD). I'm convinced that prior to the
expansion of Slavic languages, that Germanic languages were spoken in
abundance in Central Europe in areas like Hungary, Poland, Czech
Republic, Western Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
What do you think about this?
From Wikipedia: "It is now believed that South Slavs came to the
Balkans in two streams, and that between them was a large non-Slavic
population of Romance-speaking Vlachs from the remnants of the old
Roman Empire." |
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| Panu... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:59 pm |
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On Nov 4, 11:41 pm, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com>
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[quote]IMO: Germanic was VERY widespread during the Roman Empire
Slavic language was only introduced to the Balkans around the end of
the Roman Empire (around 500 AD). I'm convinced that prior to the
expansion of Slavic languages, that Germanic languages were spoken in
abundance in Central Europe in areas like Hungary, Poland, Czech
Republic, Western Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
What do you think about this?
[/quote]
For starters, you obviously have no idea of the presence of
Continental Celtic in what is now Czech Republic. The very name
Bohemia refers to the Celtic tribe of Boii. |
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| PaulJK... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:11 pm |
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Panu wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 11:41 pm, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
IMO: Germanic was VERY widespread during the Roman Empire
Slavic language was only introduced to the Balkans around the end of
the Roman Empire (around 500 AD). I'm convinced that prior to the
expansion of Slavic languages, that Germanic languages were spoken in
abundance in Central Europe in areas like Hungary, Poland, Czech
Republic, Western Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
What do you think about this?
For starters, you obviously have no idea of the presence of
Continental Celtic in what is now Czech Republic. The very name
Bohemia refers to the Celtic tribe of Boii.
[/quote]
And the same applies for the name of Bavaria.
pjk |
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| hazchem... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:15 am |
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On 4 Nov, 21:41, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]IMO: Germanic was VERY widespread during the Roman Empire
Slavic language was only introduced to the Balkans around the end of
the Roman Empire (around 500 AD). I'm convinced that prior to the
expansion of Slavic languages, that Germanic languages were spoken in
abundance in Central Europe in areas like Hungary, Poland, Czech
Republic, Western Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
What do you think about this?
The Lombards, who were a German tribe, lived on the Hungarian plain[/quote]
before they moved into northern Italy. Goths and Vandals occupied
parts of eastern Europe like Poland and Ukraine.
There is a theory that the Belgae tribe were at least in part
Germanic. Apparently they settled parts of Britain. Maybe a Germanic
tongue was spoken in parts of Britain at the time of the Roman
invasion. |
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| DKleinecke... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:56 pm |
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On Nov 5, 8:15 am, hazchem <thewhitehor... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
[quote]On 4 Nov, 21:41, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:> IMO: Germanic was VERY widespread during the Roman Empire
Slavic language was only introduced to the Balkans around the end of
the Roman Empire (around 500 AD). I'm convinced that prior to the
expansion of Slavic languages, that Germanic languages were spoken in
abundance in Central Europe in areas like Hungary, Poland, Czech
Republic, Western Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
What do you think about this?
The Lombards, who were a German tribe, lived on the Hungarian plain
before they moved into northern Italy. Goths and Vandals occupied
parts of eastern Europe like Poland and Ukraine.
There is a theory that the Belgae tribe were at least in part
Germanic. Apparently they settled parts of Britain. Maybe a Germanic
tongue was spoken in parts of Britain at the time of the Roman
invasion.
[/quote]
The precise relationship between the Germanic tribes and the Celtic
tribes before, say, 200 BC does not seem to ever have been worked out
in any great detail. However it is not a linguistic problem, at least
not so far as Germanic (that part for which there are surviving
records) and insular Celtic are concerned. We have no way to be sure
how much continental Celtic may have borrowed from Germanic. Since the
Celts appear to have been culturally dominant there is likely to have
been very little borrowing into Celtic. Conversely the surviving
Germans were located well behind the front lines during the time of
Celtic domination and may have rejected Celtic borrowing
hypothetically made by tribes closer to the Celts.
But all this is pure speculation. So far as I know there is very
little evidence of post-PIE interaction between the Germans and the
Celts. |
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| 2.7182818284590...... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:15 pm |
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Could you please give me some Celtic Loanwords in German?
The two groups lived side-by-side for a while.
[quote]There are Celtic loanwords in Germanic, mainly in the military-political
sphere. Best known, perhaps, is the rich-word that even yielded the
onomastic suffix -rik.
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Trond Engen[/quote] |
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| 2.7182818284590...... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:16 pm |
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[quote]There is a theory that the Belgae tribe were at least in part
Germanic. Apparently they settled parts of Britain. Maybe a Germanic
tongue was spoken in parts of Britain at the time of the Roman
invasion.
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Without a doubt, a Germanic tongue *IS* being spoken in Britain now,
called ENGLISH! Albania became AngleLand due to Germans named Angles,
Saxons, and Jutes. These Germans displaced Celtic languages some
times after 410 AD. |
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| 2.7182818284590...... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:21 pm |
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[quote]For starters, you obviously have no idea of the presence of
Continental Celtic in what is now Czech Republic. The very name
Bohemia refers to the Celtic tribe of Boii.
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I'm keenly aware of the Celtics and how much territory that they
occuped in Europe! They lived around the Rhine River around modern
day Czech Republic! They inhabited all of England, lots of Poland,
and other areas. |
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| Peter T. Daniels... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:55 pm |
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On Nov 5, 8:16 pm, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]There is a theory that the Belgae tribe were at least in part
Germanic. Apparently they settled parts of Britain. Maybe a Germanic
tongue was spoken in parts of Britain at the time of the Roman
invasion.
Without a doubt, a Germanic tongue *IS* being spoken in Britain now,
called ENGLISH! Albania became AngleLand due to Germans named Angles,
Saxons, and Jutes. These Germans displaced Celtic languages some
times after 410 AD.
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I.e., NOT at the time of the Roman invasion. Not until after the
Romans were long gone. |
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| Trond Engen... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:08 pm |
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DKleinecke:
[Context irrelevant for my comment]
[quote]The precise relationship between the Germanic tribes and the Celtic
tribes before, say, 200 BC does not seem to ever have been worked out
in any great detail. However it is not a linguistic problem, at least
not so far as Germanic (that part for which there are surviving
records) and insular Celtic are concerned. We have no way to be sure
how much continental Celtic may have borrowed from Germanic. Since
the Celts appear to have been culturally dominant there is likely to
have been very little borrowing into Celtic. Conversely the surviving
Germans were located well behind the front lines during the time of
Celtic domination and may have rejected Celtic borrowing
hypothetically made by tribes closer to the Celts.
But all this is pure speculation. So far as I know there is very
little evidence of post-PIE interaction between the Germans and the
Celts.
[/quote]
There are Celtic loanwords in Germanic, mainly in the military-political
sphere. Best known, perhaps, is the rich-word that even yielded the
onomastic suffix -rik.
--
Trond Engen |
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| Panu... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:20 pm |
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On Nov 6, 3:21 am, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]For starters, you obviously have no idea of the presence of
Continental Celtic in what is now Czech Republic. The very name
Bohemia refers to the Celtic tribe of Boii.
I'm keenly aware of the Celtics
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The CELTS, you mean. The "Celtics" are a football team in Glasgow. |
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| Yusuf B Gursey... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:05 pm |
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On Nov 6, 1:20 am, Panu <craoibhi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 6, 3:21 am, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
For starters, you obviously have no idea of the presence of
Continental Celtic in what is now Czech Republic. The very name
Bohemia refers to the Celtic tribe of Boii.
I'm keenly aware of the Celtics
The CELTS, you mean. The "Celtics" are a football team in Glasgow.
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or a basketball team in Boston, MA, USA |
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| Panu... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:26 pm |
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On Nov 6, 9:05 am, Yusuf B Gursey <y... at (no spam) theworld.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 6, 1:20 am, Panu <craoibhi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 3:21 am, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
For starters, you obviously have no idea of the presence of
Continental Celtic in what is now Czech Republic. The very name
Bohemia refers to the Celtic tribe of Boii.
I'm keenly aware of the Celtics
The CELTS, you mean. The "Celtics" are a football team in Glasgow.
or a basketball team in Boston, MA, USA
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I see. Are they a historically Irish-immigrant team, like the Glasgow
Celtics? |
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| Joachim Pense... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:49 am |
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DKleinecke (in sci.lang):
[quote]On Nov 5, 8:15Â am, hazchem <thewhitehor... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
On 4 Nov, 21:41, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
IMO: Germanic was VERY widespread during the Roman Empire
Slavic language was only introduced to the Balkans around the end of
the Roman Empire (around 500 AD). Â I'm convinced that prior to the
expansion of Slavic languages, that Germanic languages were spoken in
abundance in Central Europe in areas like Hungary, Poland, Czech
Republic, Western Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
What do you think about this?
The Lombards, who were a German tribe, lived on the Hungarian plain
before they moved into northern Italy. Goths and Vandals occupied
parts of eastern Europe like Poland and Ukraine.
There is a theory that the Belgae tribe were at least in part
Germanic. Apparently they settled parts of Britain. Maybe a Germanic
tongue was spoken in parts of Britain at the time of the Roman
invasion.
The precise relationship between the Germanic tribes and the Celtic
tribes before, say, 200 BC does not seem to ever have been worked out
in any great detail. However it is not a linguistic problem, at least
not so far as Germanic (that part for which there are surviving
records) and insular Celtic are concerned. We have no way to be sure
how much continental Celtic may have borrowed from Germanic. Since the
Celts appear to have been culturally dominant there is likely to have
been very little borrowing into Celtic. Conversely the surviving
Germans were located well behind the front lines during the time of
Celtic domination and may have rejected Celtic borrowing
hypothetically made by tribes closer to the Celts.
But all this is pure speculation. So far as I know there is very
little evidence of post-PIE interaction between the Germans and the
Celts.
[/quote]
There is one famous Celtic borrowing in Germanic, which is the name
suffix -rix (King, cf Vercingetorix), which became -rich in Germanic (cf
Heinrich and the word Reich).
Joachim |
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| Peter T. Daniels... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:24 am |
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On Nov 6, 4:57 am, "noesy_parker" <noesy_par... at (no spam) clara.co.uk> wrote:
[quote]Panu <craoibhi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in news:22affe7b-febd-4892-896a-
de605488b... at (no spam) v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
The "Celtics" are a football team in Glasgow.
No, Celtics are the basketball team. The football team in Glasgow is
Celtic.
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Doews the Glaswegians' name start with /s/ or /k/? (Americans have
trouble learning that the language name has /k/, because the hoopsters
have /s/.)
BTW today is James Naismith's birthday. |
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