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| John Fields... |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
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John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
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Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
[/quote]
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If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:13 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:54:50 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 1:26 am, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
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Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
Since my contribution would probably not have included any 555's, I
can understand why you might think that.
[/quote]
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You make my point in that had you chosen to use 555's where and when it
was appropriate, the abominations you created and foisted on society in
order to avoid the hated 555 have, no doubt, had a deleterious effect.
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[quote]Since we now get along fine
without stone axes, despite their importance in the early days of
civilisation, you point of view probably shouldn't be taken all that
seriously.
[/quote]
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I never thought about it that way, but since you brought it up it seems
like you have quite a bit in common with stone axes.
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:35 pm |
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On Nov 5, 3:58 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
---
If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
[/quote]
Education is getting people to think for themselves in a useful way.
It isn't about hitching anybody's wagon to someone else's wagon train.
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:00 pm |
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On Nov 5, 4:13 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:54:50 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:26 am, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
Since my contribution would probably not have included any 555's, I
can understand why you might think that.
---
You make my point in that had you chosen to use 555's where and when it
was appropriate, the abominations you created and foisted on society in
order to avoid the hated 555 have, no doubt, had a deleterious effect.
---
[/quote]
And the "obominations" that I created and foisted on society were?
If you can't identify them, your claim that they would have been less
abominable if they'd included a 555 or two does seem to be slightly
arbitrary.
[quote]Since we now get along fine
without stone axes, despite their importance in the early days of
civilisation, you point of view probably shouldn't be taken all that
seriously.
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I never thought about it that way,
[/quote]
There's not much evidnece that you've ever thought about anything.
[quote]but since you brought it up it seems
like you have quite a bit in common with stone axes.
[/quote]
Oh, really? There's presumably some cute analogy out there waiting to
be invented by someone who has the capacity to invent some way in
which I have something in common with a stone axe. Obviously you don't
have that capacity - it's the kind of defect we'd expect in someone
who is still enthusiastic about a component that was designed back in
1971.
Since then people have invented new and interesting components, but
none of them has distracted you from your single-minded commitment to
the 555 - you don't seem to have any spare capacity left to master
another component.
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| krw... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:23 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:58:18 -0600, John Fields
<jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
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If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
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Cinders aren't white. |
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| Jim Thompson... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:36 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:23:40 -0600, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:58:18 -0600, John Fields
jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
---
If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
Cinders aren't white.
[/quote]
Slowman's "unique talents"  Slowman is always good for a laugh.
It just came across the wire that Slowman's "unique talents" are going
to be recognized by Japan... he's been designated as Imperial Honey
Dipper Taster
...Jim Thompson
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| krw... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:56 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:36:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon at (no spam) My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:23:40 -0600, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:58:18 -0600, John Fields
jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
---
If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
Cinders aren't white.
Slowman's "unique talents" Slowman is always good for a laugh.
It just came across the wire that Slowman's "unique talents" are going
to be recognized by Japan... he's been designated as Imperial Honey
Dipper Taster
[/quote]
.... and rides in the back of official honey-wagon, where he belongs |
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:36 pm |
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On Nov 6, 1:56 am, krw <k... at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:36:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I... at (no spam) My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:23:40 -0600, krw <k... at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:58:18 -0600, John Fields
jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
---
If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
Cinders aren't white.
Slowman's "unique talents" Slowman is always good for a laugh.
It just came across the wire that Slowman's "unique talents" are going
to be recognized by Japan... he's been designated as Imperial Honey
Dipper Taster ;-)
... and rides in the back of official honey-wagon, where he belongs
[/quote]
For people who happen to live in areas without a proper sewage system,
a "honey-wagon" is truck that goes around and collects human excreta.
The US doesn't like spending money on services that improve the health
of the community as a whole, so many communities persist with this
rather primitive form of sewage collection, which has long been
superseded in other advanced industrialised countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesspool_emptier
Advanced industrial communites do still have honey waggons, but they
service temporary and mobile toilets, and there are not enough of them
to make the word part of the active vocabulary of the bulk of the
population.
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:55 am |
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krw wrote:
[quote]
John Fields wrote:
If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
Cinders aren't white.
[/quote]
Come on, Keith. Sloman is always making an 'ash' of himself.
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:34 am |
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On Nov 6, 4:13 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:35:10 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 3:58 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
---
If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
Education is getting people to think for themselves in a useful way.
It isn't about hitching anybody's wagon to someone else's wagon train.
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Only trouble with that definition is that for people to be able to think
in a useful way requires them to follow your lead and believe the way
you do.
[/quote]
Not necessarily. There are a variety of ways of thinking for yourself
in a useful way. You don't seem to have mastered any of them.
[quote]In other words, by hitching their wagon to your wagon train and
heading for the same destination; one example of which would be to never
use a 555.
[/quote]
I've never said that one should never use a 555 - I've merely pointed
out that in almost all situations there are now better alternatives.
[quote]That, of course, presumes you do have a wagon train, and I seriously
doubt whether you do.
[/quote]
You were claiming that my view of "education" would involve your
hitching your wagon (which I seriously doubt you have) to my "star"
whatever that might be. I adjusted the analogy by substituting an
equally figurative wagon train for your "star", but since I was
engaged in rejecting the idea that education involves leaders and
followers, I wouldn't be offering to let you hook your wagon to my
wagon train even in the remote event that I came to possess a wagon
train in Texas.
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:53 am |
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On Nov 6, 4:03 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:00:35 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 4:13 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:54:50 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:26 am, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
Since my contribution would probably not have included any 555's, I
can understand why you might think that.
---
You make my point in that had you chosen to use 555's where and when it
was appropriate, the abominations you created and foisted on society in
order to avoid the hated 555 have, no doubt, had a deleterious effect.
---
And the "obominations" that I created and foisted on society were?
---
Not "obominations", Bill, "abominations".
Perhaps you were thinking of our president???
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If you can't identify them, your claim that they would have been less
abominable if they'd included a 555 or two does seem to be slightly
arbitrary.
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If I were to keep records of your cock-ups I'd have to go buy an extra
file cabinet or two, and I'm not really that interested in chronicling
your failures. YMMV.
[/quote]
First find your cock-up, then tell us what was wrong with it. Stupid
comments about imagined cock-ups don't ctu any ice.
[quote]I do remember one in particular, though, where I had suggested a single
555 and you countered with some expensive, obsolete, dual something or
other, 16 pin monstrosity with performance specs no better than a 555's.
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[/quote]
No better than the 555's data sheet specifications. Unfortunately, to
get the circuit to do what was required you had to add a diode to your
555, which would have degraded its performace below data sheet
specifications. Since you don't seem to understand specifications and
tolerances, this point has never registered with you.
[quote]Since we now get along fine
without stone axes, despite their importance in the early days of
civilisation, you point of view probably shouldn't be taken all that
seriously.
---
I never thought about it that way,
There's not much evidnece that you've ever thought about anything.
---
"evidnece"??? Tsk,tsk,tsk.
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[/quote]
Getting excited about typos again?
[quote]but since you brought it up it seems
like you have quite a bit in common with stone axes.
Oh, really? There's presumably some cute analogy out there waiting to
be invented by someone who has the capacity to invent some way in
which I have something in common with a stone axe.
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No invention required, just read between the lines.
However, since you seem to have trouble with even that degree of
subtlety, I'll spell it out for you: Stone axes and you may have been
important once upon a time, but in the present you're both largely
useless.
---
[/quote]
Nice try, but stone axes have been made obsolete by the invention of
iron axes, while I'm not obsolete, merely unfashionable.
[quote]Obviously you don't
have that capacity - it's the kind of defect we'd expect in someone
who is still enthusiastic about a component that was designed back in
1971.
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Hey, it wasn't me with the defect which kept you from figuring out the
analogy, and why shouldn't I be enthusiastic about an almost forty year
old component if it's the perfect thing for the job at hand?
---
[/quote]
To someone who only has a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
[quote]Since then people have invented new and interesting components, but
none of them has distracted you from your single-minded commitment to
the 555 - you don't seem to have any spare capacity left to master
another component.
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Well, since you don't have access to abse you _would_ be in the dark
about what components I use and in which ways I use them.
[/quote]
I don't need access to abse to know that you don't use many
components, and that you don't use any of them well. You once posted a
circuit including a 0.5H inductor with zero series resistance and zero
parallel capacitance - I then posted a version of the circuit with a
real inductor (available off the shelf from Farnell/Newark) which
would actually work, but you still claim to be a practical designer of
real circuits for real customers, not all that convincingly.
[quote]Same thing goes for stuff that never gets to USENET.
[/quote]
/irony
Right. You are a design genius who is flooded with work and still
finds time to post his brilliant insights on the usenet.
/end irony
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:03 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:00:35 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 4:13 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:54:50 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:26 am, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
Since my contribution would probably not have included any 555's, I
can understand why you might think that.
---
You make my point in that had you chosen to use 555's where and when it
was appropriate, the abominations you created and foisted on society in
order to avoid the hated 555 have, no doubt, had a deleterious effect.
---
And the "obominations" that I created and foisted on society were?
[/quote]
---
Not "obominations", Bill, "abominations".
Perhaps you were thinking of our president???
---
[quote]If you can't identify them, your claim that they would have been less
abominable if they'd included a 555 or two does seem to be slightly
arbitrary.
[/quote]
---
If I were to keep records of your cock-ups I'd have to go buy an extra
file cabinet or two, and I'm not really that interested in chronicling
your failures. YMMV.
I do remember one in particular, though, where I had suggested a single
555 and you countered with some expensive, obsolete, dual something or
other, 16 pin monstrosity with performance specs no better than a 555's.
---
[quote]Since we now get along fine
without stone axes, despite their importance in the early days of
civilisation, you point of view probably shouldn't be taken all that
seriously.
---
I never thought about it that way,
There's not much evidnece that you've ever thought about anything.
[/quote]
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"evidnece"??? Tsk,tsk,tsk.
---
[quote]but since you brought it up it seems
like you have quite a bit in common with stone axes.
Oh, really? There's presumably some cute analogy out there waiting to
be invented by someone who has the capacity to invent some way in
which I have something in common with a stone axe.
[/quote]
---
No invention required, just read between the lines.
However, since you seem to have trouble with even that degree of
subtlety, I'll spell it out for you: Stone axes and you may have been
important once upon a time, but in the present you're both largely
useless.
---
[quote]Obviously you don't
have that capacity - it's the kind of defect we'd expect in someone
who is still enthusiastic about a component that was designed back in
1971.
[/quote]
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Hey, it wasn't me with the defect which kept you from figuring out the
analogy, and why shouldn't I be enthusiastic about an almost forty year
old component if it's the perfect thing for the job at hand?
---
[quote]Since then people have invented new and interesting components, but
none of them has distracted you from your single-minded commitment to
the 555 - you don't seem to have any spare capacity left to master
another component.
[/quote]
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Well, since you don't have access to abse you _would_ be in the dark
about what components I use and in which ways I use them.
Same thing goes for stuff that never gets to USENET.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:13 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:35:10 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 3:58 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
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John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
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Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
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If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
Education is getting people to think for themselves in a useful way.
It isn't about hitching anybody's wagon to someone else's wagon train.
[/quote]
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Only trouble with that definition is that for people to be able to think
in a useful way requires them to follow your lead and believe the way
you do. In other words, by hitching their wagon to your wagon train and
heading for the same destination; one example of which would be to never
use a 555.
That, of course, presumes you do have a wagon train, and I seriously
doubt whether you do.
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| Jim Yanik... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:08 pm |
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John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote in
news:moe8f5hgj01hce6mftstm0jo6jgndgbqsl at (no spam) 4ax.com:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:35:10 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 3:58 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth.
I'd prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough
good electronic engineers around that society isn't going to
founder for want of my contribution.
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Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder
because of the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's
educating people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields
would seem to fall into that catagory.
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If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then
I'd much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
Education is getting people to think for themselves in a useful way.
[/quote]
not anymore. Not since the Fabian Society decided to infiltrate education
to indoctrinate children to be socialists.
you can see it's worked,as most school teachers and college profs are
"progressives",and vote mostly DemocRAT.(Plus they elected Obama,a
Marxist.)
all the "politically correct" campus speech codes are another indicator.
[quote]It isn't about hitching anybody's wagon to someone else's wagon train.
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Only trouble with that definition is that for people to be able to
think in a useful way requires them to follow your lead and believe
the way you do. In other words, by hitching their wagon to your wagon
train and heading for the same destination; one example of which would
be to never use a 555.
That, of course, presumes you do have a wagon train, and I seriously
doubt whether you do.
JF
[/quote]
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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:33 pm |
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On Nov 6, 7:43 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:34:43 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:13 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:35:10 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 3:58 pm, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
---
Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
---
If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
Education is getting people to think for themselves in a useful way.
It isn't about hitching anybody's wagon to someone else's wagon train..
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Only trouble with that definition is that for people to be able to think
in a useful way requires them to follow your lead and believe the way
you do.
Not necessarily. There are a variety of ways of thinking for yourself
in a useful way. You don't seem to have mastered any of them.
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Perhaps, from your point of view, but then you can't even decipher a
simple metaphor so I'd say you were pretty myopic.
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Deciphering a simple metaphor does depend on the simple metaphor
having some remote relationship with reality. Yours didn't make the
cut.
[quote]In other words, by hitching their wagon to your wagon train and
heading for the same destination; one example of which would be to never
use a 555.
I've never said that one should never use a 555 - I've merely pointed
out that in almost all situations there are now better alternatives.
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Oh, please...
You stated, once, that you'd tried to use one, that it was a crappy part
which didn't meet your expectations and, because of that, you'd never
use one.
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What I actually said was that the one time that it looked like a
serious contender, it didn't meet the - unusually stringent - quality
requirements, but then neither did the rather better LM322. I checked
it out from time to over the next few years for various other jobs,
but it never turned out to be useful in the sort of work that I was
doing.
[quote]That, of course, presumes you do have a wagon train, and I seriously
doubt whether you do.
You were claiming that my view of "education" would involve your
hitching your wagon (which I seriously doubt you have) to my "star"
whatever that might be.
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You're not very good at this, are you?
It's a simple metaphor, Bill.
The star is your dream, what drives you, what you follow, and the wagon
is what I use to carry me through my life.
[/quote]
The "star" may be your dream, and Disney seems to have made this a
popular image for kiddy programs. Knowing that real stars are enormous
masses of very hot gas a very long way away rather kills that image
for educated adults.
[quote]So hitching _my_ wagon to _your_ star would be tantamount to my
unhitching it from mine and living my life as you saw fit for me to live
it.
Certainly nothing I'd even consider.
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Nor anything I'd suggest. You could do with more education than you
have got - a broader appreciation of what semiconductor components
other than the 555 have to offer would be a good start. You don't seem
to be equipped to come to grips with more difficult subjects - Laplace
transforms and elementary statistics come to mind - of the kind I've
run into in my career, so that aspect of my experience isn't an area
that I'd even try to inform you about.
[quote]I adjusted the analogy by substituting an
equally figurative wagon train for your "star",
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Because you didn't understand the analogy?
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Because is seemed bizarrely pretentious.
[quote]but since I was
engaged in rejecting the idea that education involves leaders and
followers, I wouldn't be offering to let you hook your wagon to my
wagon train even in the remote event that I came to possess a wagon
train in Texas.
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If it's _your_ wagon train and you get to determine who "gets" to hook
up to it or not, then your statement carries the implicit meaning that
you're the boss; i.e., the leader, and those who are allowed to hook up
are the followers.
[/quote]
That was your image of education. Not mine. You keep on struggling to
set up this pathetic strawman image of me as some kind of wannabe
leader trying to educate you into some kind of obedient follower.
In this you are being a little over-ambitious.
Any sensible leader stuck with a follower like you would repudiate him
as fast as possible out of pure self-preservation.
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