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| Martin Riddle... |
 Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:17 pm |
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Get paid for being an illegal immigrant..
<http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571515,00.html?test=latestnews>
I mean really, what were they thinking. Oh wait, they must be Democrats.
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:11 pm |
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On Nov 4, 1:17 am, "Martin Riddle" <martin_... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]Get paid for being an illegal immigrant..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571515,00.html?test=latestnews
I mean really, what were they thinking. Oh wait, they must be Democrats.
[/quote]
Do try and read the news reports that you refer us to.
They weren't being paid for being illegal immigrants - in fact the
story only identifies them as Muslim Arab immigrants so your "īllegal"
seems to be something that you have added to the story.
And they seem to be being compensated for wrongful arrest and the
abuse they subsequently suffered (or claim to have suffered) while in
detention.
You seem to be suffering from Ravinghordes' disorder, where you see a
news story and decide that it supports your view of the world without
paying enough attention to the actual facts being reported.
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:35 am |
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On Nov 4, 3:40 pm, ChrisQ <m... at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
[quote]Bill Slomanwrote:
You seem to be suffering from Ravinghordes' disorder, where you see a
news story and decide that it supports your view of the world without
paying enough attention to the actual facts being reported.
Pots, kettles and black perhaps ?...
[/quote]
You'd like to think so, and since you are a Daily Telegraph reader,
you save yourself the bother of actually reading the Fox News piece
that Martin Riddle was pointing to
<http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571515,00.html?test=latestnews>
by believing what you want to believe. It makes you look stupid, but
since you don't want to believe that you are presenting yourself as
some kind of self-indulgent nitwit, you manage to ignore this
particular consequence.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |
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| ChrisQ... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:40 am |
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Bill Sloman wrote:
[quote]You seem to be suffering from Ravinghordes' disorder, where you see a
news story and decide that it supports your view of the world without
paying enough attention to the actual facts being reported.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
[/quote]
Pots, kettles and black perhaps ?...
Regards,
Chris |
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| ChrisQ... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:52 pm |
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Bill Sloman wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 3:40 pm, ChrisQ <m... at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
Bill Slomanwrote:
You seem to be suffering from Ravinghordes' disorder, where you see a
news story and decide that it supports your view of the world without
paying enough attention to the actual facts being reported.
Pots, kettles and black perhaps ?...
You'd like to think so, and since you are a Daily Telegraph reader,
you save yourself the bother of actually reading the Fox News piece
that Martin Riddle was pointing to
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571515,00.html?test=latestnews
by believing what you want to believe. It makes you look stupid, but
since you don't want to believe that you are presenting yourself as
some kind of self-indulgent nitwit, you manage to ignore this
particular consequence.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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I think you must be having another senior moment, Bill, as I don't read
the Telegraph on a regular basis and never have. I must have told you
this several times in the past so please wake up. In any case, how
someone who lives in Holland can be so sure and confident in his
knowledge of the English press beats me.
You really should get out more. Sitting alone and festering over the
cruel way that life has failed to recognise your unique talents is an
ultimately downhill path to tread...
Regards,
Chris |
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:59 pm |
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On Nov 4, 7:52 pm, ChrisQ <m... at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
[quote]Bill Slomanwrote:
On Nov 4, 3:40 pm, ChrisQ <m... at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
Bill Slomanwrote:
You seem to be suffering from Ravinghordes' disorder, where you see a
news story and decide that it supports your view of the world without
paying enough attention to the actual facts being reported.
Pots, kettles and black perhaps ?...
You'd like to think so, and since you are a Daily Telegraph reader,
you save yourself the bother of actually reading the Fox News piece
that Martin Riddle was pointing to
<http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571515,00.html?test=latestnews
by believing what you want to believe. It makes you look stupid, but
since you don't want to believe that you are presenting yourself as
some kind of self-indulgent nitwit, you manage to ignore this
particular consequence.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
I think you must be having another senior moment, Bill, as I don't read
the Telegraph on a regular basis and never have.
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Just enough to latch onto their more half-baked ideas.
[quote]I must have told you
this several times in the past so please wake up.
[/quote]
Telegraph readers do tend to lie about their problem ...
[quote]In any case, how
someone who lives in Holland can be so sure and confident in his
knowledge of the English press beats me.
[/quote]
I lived and worked in England for twenty years, and still get - and
read - the Guardian Weekly. BBC1 and 2 are part of our local cable
package. I can't say that I'm fascinated by the UK, but we do know
what goes on there.
[quote]You really should get out more. Sitting alone and festering over the
cruel way that life has failed to recognise your unique talents is an
ultimately downhill path to tread...
[/quote]
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:16 pm |
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On Nov 5, 12:01 am, "Martin Riddle" <martin_... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]"Bill Sloman" <bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in message
news:a388ce33-2c2e-467e-a62c-e8c62a82fc7d at (no spam) n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 1:17 am, "Martin Riddle" <martin_... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Get paid for being an illegal immigrant..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571515,00.html?test=latestnews
I mean really, what were they thinking. Oh wait, they must be
Democrats.
Do try and read the news reports that you refer us to.
They weren't being paid for being illegal immigrants - in fact the
story only identifies them as Muslim Arab immigrants so your "īllegal"
seems to be something that you have added to the story.
And they seem to be being compensated for wrongful arrest and the
abuse they subsequently suffered (or claim to have suffered) while in
detention.
You seem to be suffering from Ravinghordes' disorder, where you see a
news story and decide that it supports your view of the world without
paying enough attention to the actual facts being reported.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
You are, as usual, misinformed.
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Since nothing the in the report that you cited identified them as
illegal immigrants, and you failed to inform us about this point when
you made your original post - beyond making your throw-away claim - we
have been misinformed by you.
Until you adduce some evidence to support your claim that the people
being compensated were actually illegal immigrants - and/or Democrats
- it won't be clear how you've been misinforming us.
[quote]They were illegal immigrants and were deported.
[/quote]
Or so you like to think.
[quote]They had no business
being in the US, they were here illegally.
[/quote]
If this were true, they would have shared that status with a good
proportion of the Mexicans who keep the US economy running. If the US
got serious about expelling illegal immigrants, its economy would
grind to a halt.
The people involved weren't incarcerated and abused because they were
illegal immigrants, they were jumped on because they were Muslim Arabs
- not members of any terrorist organisation, nor any kind of danger to
the American public, which is more than can be said for the people who
arrested and abused them.
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| Martin Riddle... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:01 pm |
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"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in message
news:a388ce33-2c2e-467e-a62c-e8c62a82fc7d at (no spam) n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
[quote]On Nov 4, 1:17 am, "Martin Riddle" <martin_... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Get paid for being an illegal immigrant..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571515,00.html?test=latestnews
I mean really, what were they thinking. Oh wait, they must be
Democrats.
Do try and read the news reports that you refer us to.
They weren't being paid for being illegal immigrants - in fact the
story only identifies them as Muslim Arab immigrants so your "īllegal"
seems to be something that you have added to the story.
And they seem to be being compensated for wrongful arrest and the
abuse they subsequently suffered (or claim to have suffered) while in
detention.
You seem to be suffering from Ravinghordes' disorder, where you see a
news story and decide that it supports your view of the world without
paying enough attention to the actual facts being reported.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
[/quote]
You are, as usual, misinformed.
They were illegal immigrants and were deported. They had no business
being in the US, they were here illegally.
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:26 pm |
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
[quote]My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
[/quote]
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Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
JF |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:15 pm |
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John Fields wrote:
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
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Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". 
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So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:54 am |
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On Nov 5, 1:26 am, John Fields <jfie... at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
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Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution".
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Since my contribution would probably not have included any 555's, I
can understand why you might think that. Since we now get along fine
without stone axes, despite their importance in the early days of
civilisation, you point of view probably shouldn't be taken all that
seriously.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:56 am |
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On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr... at (no spam) earthlink.net>
wrote:
[quote]John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
bill.slo... at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote:
My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. I'd
prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder for
want of my contribution.
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Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder because of
the lack of your "contribution". ;)
So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's educating
people on the sci.electronics groups.
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Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields would
seem to fall into that catagory.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |
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| Bill Sloman... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:04 am |
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On Nov 5, 11:04 am, ChrisQ <m... at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
[quote]Bill Slomanwrote:
I lived and worked in England for twenty years, and still get - and
read - the Guardian Weekly. BBC1 and 2 are part of our local cable
package. I can't say that I'm fascinated by the UK, but we do know
what goes on there.
You may think that you have some idea of what goes on in the uk, but
only through the filter of a biased left wing rag and a self important
BBC that is economical with the truth so as to not offend anyone.
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Funny that you should mention that. During the brief period when I was
reading both the Guardian and the Telegraph (the latter mainly for the
job ads) I noticed that the Telegraph had a habit of leaving out
detail from stories that the Guardian reported more completely. In
every case the details were of a nature that would have conflicted
with the right-wing world view - constructive suggestions from trade
unions never seemed to be reported in the Telegraph
[quote]The Grauniad says it all really. I don't think you need to say anymore, ever.
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Dream on. For what it is worth I get more from the New Scientist than
the Guardian Weekly, but the New Scientist would be a little over your
head.
[quote]
No hard feelings though and if you ever make it to Oxford, i'll buy you
a beer...
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Unlikely. I was in Cambridge for three days last week - though I spent
most of the Wednesday in London with one of my old friends from my
days at EMI Central Research - but we hardly ever visit Oxford.
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| ChrisQ... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:04 am |
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Bill Sloman wrote:
[quote]
I lived and worked in England for twenty years, and still get - and
read - the Guardian Weekly. BBC1 and 2 are part of our local cable
package. I can't say that I'm fascinated by the UK, but we do know
what goes on there.
[/quote]
You may think that you have some idea of what goes on in the uk, but
only through the filter of a biased left wing rag and a self important
BBC that is economical with the truth so as to not offend anyone. The
Grauniad says it all really. I don't think you need to say anymore, ever.
No hard feelings though and if you ever make it to Oxford, i'll buy you
a beer...
Regards,
Chris |
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| ChrisQ... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:24 am |
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Bill Sloman wrote:
[quote]
Funny that you should mention that. During the brief period when I was
reading both the Guardian and the Telegraph (the latter mainly for the
job ads) I noticed that the Telegraph had a habit of leaving out
detail from stories that the Guardian reported more completely. In
every case the details were of a nature that would have conflicted
with the right-wing world view - constructive suggestions from trade
unions never seemed to be reported in the Telegraph
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I think you have to filter and apply weighting to all 'news' sources.
They all have their agendas and biases.
[quote]Dream on. For what it is worth I get more from the New Scientist than
the Guardian Weekly, but the New Scientist would be a little over your
head.
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Not really. I had a subscription to the NS for several years. It went
through a bad patch where there were just too many irritating errors of
fact which suggested that they hadn't done due diligence on their
sources, or were just being sloppy. I stopped buying it at that time.
Maybe it's improved now, but there's a lot of other good science on the
web now as well.
[quote]
Unlikely. I was in Cambridge for three days last week - though I spent
most of the Wednesday in London with one of my old friends from my
days at EMI Central Research - but we hardly ever visit Oxford.
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EMI Labs ?, now that's a name to conjure with. I well remember using
their valve scopes and other test gear in the late 60's and early
seventies. They did some good science and made good products elsewhere
as well...
Regards,
Chris |
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