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| turtoni... |
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On Nov 4, 2:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 12:30 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
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Ain't Capitalism great!!! Gotta love progress!!!!
"Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up."
Way to go CA!
And CA is in a country with a: 1. Capitalist system. 2. Socialist
system. 3. Some form of mixed system?
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It's the most socialized system in the US.
"In terms of socio-cultural mores and national politics, Californians
are perceived as more liberal than other Americans, especially those
who live in the inland states. In some ways, California is the
quintessential Blue State-- accepting of alternative lifestyles, not
uniformly religious, and preoccupied with environmental issues." |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:39 am |
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On Nov 4, 6:20 am, tg <tgdenn... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 6:13 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On 4 Nov, 09:19, tooly <rd... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
When the 'conservatives' [capitalists] are in
charge, terraces and escorts are the WORST they can do.
I've lived through 4 recessions. 2 were under the conservatives.
1 was under New Labour, (which is not technically a socialist
party , although you will no doubt ignore that), and one straddled
several governments. My earnings were at their highest in the late
90's under New Labour.
Sorry if I'm being ignorant, but isn't GB the *least* Euro-socialist
country in Euro-land?
Why are people not comparing the US to Denmark, for example?
-tg
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"According to World Bank Group, Denmark has the most flexible labor
market in Europe; the policy is called flexicurity. It is easy to
hire, fire, and find a job."
"Denmark has ranked as the world's 11th most free economy, of 162
countries, in an index created by the Wall Street Journal and Heritage
Foundation, the Index of Economic Freedom 2008. The Index has been
categorised as using inappropriately weighted indicators for economic
freedom, leading to wealthy and/or conservative countries with
barriers to trade placing high on the list, while poor and/or
socialist countries with fewer restrictions on trade place low."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:06 am |
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On Nov 4, 11:24 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 2:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:30 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
(snip)
Ain't Capitalism great!!! Gotta love progress!!!!
"Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up."
Way to go CA!
And CA is in a country with a: 1. Capitalist system. 2. Socialist
system. 3. Some form of mixed system?
It's the most socialized system in the US.
[/quote]
So that's a 3.
[quote]
"In terms of socio-cultural mores and national politics, Californians
are perceived as more liberal than other Americans, especially those
who live in the inland states. In some ways, California is the
quintessential Blue State-- accepting of alternative lifestyles, not
uniformly religious, and preoccupied with environmental issues."
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O.K., but what is socialist about California's liberal tendency? More
importantly, given that you posited # 3 above, what aspects of the
problem are caused by the socialist element of this mixed system? |
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| Michael Gordge... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:22 pm |
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On Nov 4, 9:29 pm, Errol <vs.er... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]The 5 biggest reasons for homelessness are....
Substance abuse
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Ewe leftist anti-human Kantians dont like reducing your ideas to an
irreducible primary do ewe, i.e. thinking about what ewe write.
Need to keep your dopey Kantian "non-absolute" --"uncertainty"
nightmare alive eh Errol?
Being (according to ewe / wikicrap) "one of the 5 biggest reasons" for
homelessness, you have no doubt put some of your own thought into why
and how "substance abuse" causes homelessness.
What are ewe calling "substance abuse"?
Who are the most likely to abuse substances? Why do they "abuse
substances"? How do they obtain the substance? Why cant someone abuse
substances and have a home at the same time? How did they get started
on the substance abuse? Why did they get started? What are they doing
to stop?
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| Michael Gordge... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:42 pm |
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On Nov 5, 1:19 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
[quote]No. Surpluses, stability, peace, and life savings vanish when
Conservatives get in.
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Thats true, e.g. Rudd, the leftwing PM of Australia defines himself as
"an economic conservative" and on his own he has over-seen and turned
a $30billion surplus into a $40billion debt and the life savings of
millions of Australians has vanished. Remind us again how much
Obmamammama gave and continues to give the car industry of the US? and
while ewe are at it, how much has Obamammama spent on failed banks so
far?
MG |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:11 pm |
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On Nov 4, 5:42 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor... at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 1:19 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
No. Surpluses, stability, peace, and life savings vanish when
Conservatives get in.
Thats true, e.g. Rudd, the leftwing PM of Australia defines himself as
"an economic conservative" and on his own he has over-seen and turned
a $30billion surplus into a $40billion debt and the life savings of
millions of Australians has vanished. Remind us again how much
Obmamammama gave and continues to give the car industry of the US? and
while ewe are at it, how much has Obamammama spent on failed banks so
far?
MG
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I believe he spent his half of the Bush bailout money on free lunches
for those poor poor bankers who lost the ability to buy gold plated
swimming pools when the evil communist infiltrators reeked havoc on
the international banking system. P.S. Bush was conservative. |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:56 pm |
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On Nov 4, 3:06 pm, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 11:24 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 2:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:30 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
(snip)
Ain't Capitalism great!!! Gotta love progress!!!!
"Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up.."
Way to go CA!
And CA is in a country with a: 1. Capitalist system. 2. Socialist
system. 3. Some form of mixed system?
It's the most socialized system in the US.
So that's a 3.
"In terms of socio-cultural mores and national politics, Californians
are perceived as more liberal than other Americans, especially those
who live in the inland states. In some ways, California is the
quintessential Blue State-- accepting of alternative lifestyles, not
uniformly religious, and preoccupied with environmental issues."
O.K., but what is socialist about California's liberal tendency? More
importantly, given that you posited # 3 above, what aspects of the
problem are caused by the socialist element of this mixed system?
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Lot's of things Tim. Most importantly:
"Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up." |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:59 pm |
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On Nov 5, 12:11 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 5:42 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor... at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:19 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
No. Surpluses, stability, peace, and life savings vanish when
Conservatives get in.
Thats true, e.g. Rudd, the leftwing PM of Australia defines himself as
"an economic conservative" and on his own he has over-seen and turned
a $30billion surplus into a $40billion debt and the life savings of
millions of Australians has vanished. Remind us again how much
Obmamammama gave and continues to give the car industry of the US? and
while ewe are at it, how much has Obamammama spent on failed banks so
far?
MG
I believe he spent his half of the Bush bailout money on free lunches
for those poor poor bankers who lost the ability to buy gold plated
swimming pools when the evil communist infiltrators reeked havoc on
the international banking system. P.S. Bush was conservative.
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A poor conservative. Driven into placating the left wing aka Freddie
Mac and Sallie Mae via Acorn. Much like California. Bankrupt by the
unions and special interest groups. |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:41 pm |
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On Nov 5, 12:56 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 3:06 pm, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
On Nov 4, 11:24 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 2:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:30 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
(snip)
Ain't Capitalism great!!! Gotta love progress!!!!
"Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up."
Way to go CA!
And CA is in a country with a: 1. Capitalist system. 2. Socialist
system. 3. Some form of mixed system?
It's the most socialized system in the US.
So that's a 3.
"In terms of socio-cultural mores and national politics, Californians
are perceived as more liberal than other Americans, especially those
who live in the inland states. In some ways, California is the
quintessential Blue State-- accepting of alternative lifestyles, not
uniformly religious, and preoccupied with environmental issues."
O.K., but what is socialist about California's liberal tendency? More
importantly, given that you posited # 3 above, what aspects of the
problem are caused by the socialist element of this mixed system?
Lot's of things Tim. Most importantly:
"Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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But Obama & co. didn't loot the wallet, one could offer a stronger
argument against Bush & co. Obama didn't call any shots in the banking
system when the most recent fan/faeces escapade went down, remember???
Bush was pres. And, as much as some would like to, one can't put much
blame on him for the melt-down. CAPITAL dried up, yeah? You are going
to have to present a much stronger case and point out specifically how
it is that socialism is at the root of the current woes in America's
and the Globe's economies. |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:48 pm |
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On Nov 5, 12:59 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 12:11 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
On Nov 4, 5:42 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor... at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:19 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
No. Surpluses, stability, peace, and life savings vanish when
Conservatives get in.
Thats true, e.g. Rudd, the leftwing PM of Australia defines himself as
"an economic conservative" and on his own he has over-seen and turned
a $30billion surplus into a $40billion debt and the life savings of
millions of Australians has vanished. Remind us again how much
Obmamammama gave and continues to give the car industry of the US? and
while ewe are at it, how much has Obamammama spent on failed banks so
far?
MG
I believe he spent his half of the Bush bailout money on free lunches
for those poor poor bankers who lost the ability to buy gold plated
swimming pools when the evil communist infiltrators reeked havoc on
the international banking system. P.S. Bush was conservative.
A poor conservative. Driven into placating the left wing aka Freddie
Mac and Sallie Mae via Acorn. Much like California. Bankrupt by the
unions and special interest groups.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Well I have about zero knowledge of union activity in Cali., I do
recall a company called Enron (was that a socialist entity?) that bent
Cali. over and stuck it where the sun don't shine--AFAIK no unions
were responsible for that. As to special interest groups, well they
are a problem, but to which are you referring? Those socialist
corporations with so little money to throw around? Sorry, but this
whole "Let's blame socialism" kick is a farce. |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:49 pm |
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On Nov 5, 1:41 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 12:56 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 3:06 pm, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
On Nov 4, 11:24 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 2:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:30 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:12 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
(snip)
Ain't Capitalism great!!! Gotta love progress!!!!
"Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up."
Way to go CA!
And CA is in a country with a: 1. Capitalist system. 2. Socialist
system. 3. Some form of mixed system?
It's the most socialized system in the US.
So that's a 3.
"In terms of socio-cultural mores and national politics, Californians
are perceived as more liberal than other Americans, especially those
who live in the inland states. In some ways, California is the
quintessential Blue State-- accepting of alternative lifestyles, not
uniformly religious, and preoccupied with environmental issues."
O.K., but what is socialist about California's liberal tendency? More
importantly, given that you posited # 3 above, what aspects of the
problem are caused by the socialist element of this mixed system?
Lot's of things Tim. Most importantly:
"Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
But Obama & co. didn't loot the wallet, one could offer a stronger
argument against Bush & co. Obama didn't call any shots in the banking
system when the most recent fan/faeces escapade went down, remember???
Bush was pres. And, as much as some would like to, one can't put much
blame on him for the melt-down. CAPITAL dried up, yeah? You are going
to have to present a much stronger case and point out specifically how
it is that socialism is at the root of the current woes in America's
and the Globe's economies.
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The banking system was fucked by all the credit pumped into the market
by the housing boom. Inflated by Freddie Mac and Sallie Mae. Everybody
should own a home. Forget your credit score come on board as pushed by
Acorn and the left wing playing on our feelings. That's what fucked
us: THE HOUSING BOOM |
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| Errol... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:51 pm |
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On Nov 5, 12:22 am, Michael Gordge <mikegor... at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote:
homelessness.
[quote]
What are ewe calling "substance abuse"?
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When you shag an inflatable sheep. Now piss off |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:02 pm |
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On Nov 5, 1:48 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 12:59 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Nov 5, 12:11 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
On Nov 4, 5:42 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor... at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:19 am, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
No. Surpluses, stability, peace, and life savings vanish when
Conservatives get in.
Thats true, e.g. Rudd, the leftwing PM of Australia defines himself as
"an economic conservative" and on his own he has over-seen and turned
a $30billion surplus into a $40billion debt and the life savings of
millions of Australians has vanished. Remind us again how much
Obmamammama gave and continues to give the car industry of the US? and
while ewe are at it, how much has Obamammama spent on failed banks so
far?
MG
I believe he spent his half of the Bush bailout money on free lunches
for those poor poor bankers who lost the ability to buy gold plated
swimming pools when the evil communist infiltrators reeked havoc on
the international banking system. P.S. Bush was conservative.
A poor conservative. Driven into placating the left wing aka Freddie
Mac and Sallie Mae via Acorn. Much like California. Bankrupt by the
unions and special interest groups.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well I have about zero knowledge of union activity in Cali., I do
recall a company called Enron (was that a socialist entity?) that bent
Cali. over and stuck it where the sun don't shine--AFAIK no unions
were responsible for that. As to special interest groups, well they
are a problem, but to which are you referring? Those socialist
corporations with so little money to throw around? Sorry, but this
whole "Let's blame socialism" kick is a farce.
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I concede Tim that the market is always mixed and always will be and
always should be, but there are dangerous idea's that have obviously
shown us how fragile things can get and personally I'd rather continue
to model what have historically been successful systems. |
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| Michael Gordge... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:53 pm |
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On Nov 5, 3:51 pm, Errol <vs.er... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Now piss off
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Crying wont help ewe, still waiting for ewe to explain how preceding
the nouns 'fact & truth' with the adjectives eternal and absolute
changes anything at all about the meaning of fact and truth.
Still waiting for ewe to explain why ewe brain dead Kantian clowns
keep demanding / insisting for something that does not exist (next
week - future) to be a requirement of fact and truth.
MG |
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| Michael Gordge... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:58 pm |
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On Nov 5, 2:11 pm, Tim <tbees... at (no spam) aci.on.ca> wrote:
[quote]P.S. Bush was conservative.
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Shrug, he also went to church, so what?
The subject is cronyizm and how the anti-human leftist conservative
Obmamammama has given trillions of dollars which was stolen from the
poor and the productive to his mates in the car and banking
businesses.
MG |
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